tithing a way out of poverty
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I was a PK growing up . Many times the lights at the church were paid by Dad. I understand giving . Tithing is an OT rule/law. It was to keep the store house full . A tenth of ones increase. Wheat cattle $$$ . When the USA tax laws are written as they are it would be a lack of good Godly stewardship to not claim the deduction. Tithing again off the return . If one is getting a return from the IRS it means you over paid the IRS .
Requiring tithe is in its self not giving freely. Freely giving would be above the tithe .
Had this discussion with a younger brother about 1970 . One day he 'saw the light"
Requiring tithe is in its self not giving freely. Freely giving would be above the tithe .
Had this discussion with a younger brother about 1970 . One day he 'saw the light"
Agreed.
There isn't a single verse of Scripture in the entire Bible that suggests, "the Tithe should be used for advancing God's Kingdom". Nor is there a single verse supporting the idea that tithes are payable in money. Further, there isn't a single verse supporting the idea that the Christians are to pay "tithes" anyway... it's a holdover from the old covenant. What any Christian does with their money is between them and God, but what Christians teach regarding money is a matter for open discussion and consideration.
That's great, but it's not a scriptural argument.
Here a collection was taken up to help other believers weather a famine. It's common practice to support others in dire need.
I don't see the glitch. People who are that concerned about money wouldn't give in the first place, because the tax break is far less than the amount given, and people who are that concerned about giving "freely" need not claim it on their tax refund. However, God also calls His followers to wisdom and good stewardship. I don't see how not claiming a legitimate tax break is good stewardship.
There isn't a single verse of Scripture in the entire Bible that suggests, "the Tithe should be used for advancing God's Kingdom". Nor is there a single verse supporting the idea that tithes are payable in money. Further, there isn't a single verse supporting the idea that the Christians are to pay "tithes" anyway... it's a holdover from the old covenant. What any Christian does with their money is between them and God, but what Christians teach regarding money is a matter for open discussion and consideration.
That's great, but it's not a scriptural argument.
Here a collection was taken up to help other believers weather a famine. It's common practice to support others in dire need.
I don't see the glitch. People who are that concerned about money wouldn't give in the first place, because the tax break is far less than the amount given, and people who are that concerned about giving "freely" need not claim it on their tax refund. However, God also calls His followers to wisdom and good stewardship. I don't see how not claiming a legitimate tax break is good stewardship.
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Ya what a Cop out statement this is -------trusting the Government not God that makes perfect sense for true Christians --LOL===what your doing is trying to save face by your statement for not trusting God to look after you when you put money in the church plate -----The Government return is safer than trusting God Word ------Poor excuse
When you give freely ---not with attachments to get a return from this world ------
When you give freely ---not with attachments to get a return from this world ------
Your handle is misleading.
I have no need to ‘save face’ because my position is sound. You accuse on the basis of assumptions.
Tithing is not a Christian practice; it’s a Levitical requirement. Giving is the Christian thing to do. Being wise with money is also rhe Christian thing to do. Being self-righteous about your practice isn’t.
I have no need to ‘save face’ because my position is sound. You accuse on the basis of assumptions.
Tithing is not a Christian practice; it’s a Levitical requirement. Giving is the Christian thing to do. Being wise with money is also rhe Christian thing to do. Being self-righteous about your practice isn’t.
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When you give any "charitable" gift, you can take it off your taxes.
You seem to have the typical liberal mindset that the government "gives out" money. It does NOT. It TAKES money from individuals. If, by making a charitable donation, I have to pay less in taxes, that does not mean the government is GIVING me money, it means they are taking LESS of my (and God's) money.
You are looking at it backwards.
You seem to have the typical liberal mindset that the government "gives out" money. It does NOT. It TAKES money from individuals. If, by making a charitable donation, I have to pay less in taxes, that does not mean the government is GIVING me money, it means they are taking LESS of my (and God's) money.
You are looking at it backwards.
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Just how are folks who pay tithes and claim the legal duction trusting in the government? My brother thought the same when he was in a discipleship group. You are leaving your money or God"s in the hands of a ungodly government . Those who file long form taxes and use ductions do not get back but a percentage of the the ductions .
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God wants our heart, then He will show us what to do with His money.
Proverbs 23:26 KJV
My son, give me thine heart, and let thine eyes observe my ways.
Haggai 2:6-9 KJV
For thus saith the Lord of hosts; Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land ;
[7] And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the Lord of hosts.
[8] The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the Lord of hosts.
[9] The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith the Lord of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the Lord of hosts.
Proverbs 23:26 KJV
My son, give me thine heart, and let thine eyes observe my ways.
Haggai 2:6-9 KJV
For thus saith the Lord of hosts; Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land ;
[7] And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the Lord of hosts.
[8] The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the Lord of hosts.
[9] The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith the Lord of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the Lord of hosts.
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Malachi 3:10-12 KJV
Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
[11] And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.
[12] And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the Lord of hosts.
Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
[11] And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.
[12] And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the Lord of hosts.
I agree with this statement
https://preventsatan.com/god-uses-your-tithe-to-expand-his-kingdom/
What the tithe does.
Father in Heaven depends on your tithe to sustain his servants on Earth and to enable them reach out to the lost souls. When you are not faithful in paying your tithe, you are crippling the expansion of God’s kingdom on Earth.
God’s servants on earth need money.
In order to bring God’s Kingdom and God’s will here on earth, God’s servants need money to do God’s work and to bring lost souls to Jesus Christ.
This is why your tithes are needed. It is these tithes that are used to bring God’s kingdom and his will here on Earth.
Give and Trust God to look after your return -------not the Government -----Try giving your Tithe without getting a tax receipt ----and Trust that God will do good on this promise ------
Notice it says ---and it Shall Be Given to you -----Shall be given is a promise -----trust that not a piece of paper to give to your tax man -----
https://preventsatan.com/god-uses-your-tithe-to-expand-his-kingdom/
What the tithe does.
Father in Heaven depends on your tithe to sustain his servants on Earth and to enable them reach out to the lost souls. When you are not faithful in paying your tithe, you are crippling the expansion of God’s kingdom on Earth.
God’s servants on earth need money.
In order to bring God’s Kingdom and God’s will here on earth, God’s servants need money to do God’s work and to bring lost souls to Jesus Christ.
This is why your tithes are needed. It is these tithes that are used to bring God’s kingdom and his will here on Earth.
Give and Trust God to look after your return -------not the Government -----Try giving your Tithe without getting a tax receipt ----and Trust that God will do good on this promise ------
Notice it says ---and it Shall Be Given to you -----Shall be given is a promise -----trust that not a piece of paper to give to your tax man -----
By this logic, if you give 10% instead of 100%, you are ‘crippling the expansion of God’s kingdom on earth’. In other words, your argument doesn’t hold water. God doesn’t ask Christians to give 10% though. Rather, He leads each of us by His Spirit, not by misapplied old-covenant directives.
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Throughout the whole Bible we can see what the heart and mind of God is, in regards to tithing.
See Ananias and sapphira. Hypocrites.
Acts 4:33-35 KJV
And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
[34] Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
[35] And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
Acts 5:3-5 KJV
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
[4] Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
[5] And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
Would you be one,
if you had the means,
to sell,
for the sake of the poor people
in the House of God.
Would you even be part of a (House of God) church, where hypocrites dropped down dead?
See Ananias and sapphira. Hypocrites.
Acts 4:33-35 KJV
And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
[34] Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
[35] And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
Acts 5:3-5 KJV
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
[4] Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
[5] And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
Would you be one,
if you had the means,
to sell,
for the sake of the poor people
in the House of God.
Would you even be part of a (House of God) church, where hypocrites dropped down dead?