Not By Works

[Fundaamental]

as a long time member who was here when this thread started, it was not anything group , it was a bunch of individuals who strongly disagreed, and went at each other hard and hostile. too hard and too hostile, hence, many of them got tossed.

why should he be singled out for that, as far as I can see thats still happening here

 

[VCO]

why should he be singled out for that, as far as I can see thats still happening here

I heard management got tired of the same old complaints from this thread. I think it was obvious that this thread was a "NOT BY WORKS" Thread, and they that support this doctrine: "Works Count as part of Salvation", they deliberately came in to Argue and Complain. Not trying to stir things up, just trying to report the facts. The major fault were the ones that are addicted to Arguing. For example: I do not believe TONGUES of today are a counterfeit of the Real McCoy of biblical TONGUES, which ceased when the N.T. was complete or before. And if someone want to make a Thread: "TONGUES are for Today", I would never go to that Site to upset their apple cart, because of this Scripture:

Mark 16:20 (ASV)
20 And they went forth, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word by the signs that followed. Amen. [Remember the JEWS needed a SIGN, before they could believe the New Testament was of GOD, just as much as the O.T. Once there was enough witnesses that it was TRUE, then they TONGUES ceased. No I do not want to debate it. The way I understand the Bible, Counterfeit tongues are those were NO ONE HEARS in his own dialectos (native dialect).]


1 Timothy 6:3-5 (HCSB)
3 If anyone teaches other doctrine and does not agree with the sound teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the teaching that promotes godliness,
4 he is conceited, understanding nothing, but has a sick interest in disputes and arguments over words. From these come envy, quarreling, slander, evil suspicions,
5 and constant disagreement among people whose minds are depraved and deprived of the truth, who imagine that godliness is a way to material gain.
1 Timothy 6:20 (HCSB)
20 Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding irreverent, empty speech and contradictions from the “knowledge” that falsely bears that name.

What did Paul tell Timothy to do with those who want to teach a different doctrine ? ? ?

If it is in the SAME CHURCH, he has a different word of warning, for two times only, then we are to have NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM,
Never do we argue with them. I think on the third warning, if they come into our thread trying to stir up trouble, we are to put them on the IGNORE LIST. Yes, dc should have put them on the IGNORE LIST a long time ago, and he would still be here.

Titus 3:8-11 (HCSB)
8 This saying is trustworthy. I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed God might be careful to devote themselves to good works. These are good and profitable for everyone.
9 But avoid foolish debates, genealogies, quarrels, and disputes about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
10 Reject a divisive person after a first and second warning,
11 knowing that such a person is perverted and sins, being self-condemned.

Some have said I was too harsh by putting one addicted to Arguing on my Ignore List. But isn't that the appropriate action, that God expects of us ? ? ?

 

[lawrence101]

I agree we are not saved by works but keep in mind that salvation doesnt give us a license to live like the devil .

 

[Yaacov]

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

If God taketh the form of any thing, has He then become that thing?

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Like Father, like son - Human or gods?

 

[Yaacov]

nationalism is not Christianity.

You misunderstood. We think differently, speak differently.

 

[Yaacov]

i will certainly remember that you were silver-tongued & quite cordial, but that when it came down to it, your theology was heretical, and you smugly didn't even bother trying to defend it.

I dare say that the suffering we endure in Israel shall surely find it's way to you; and in that day, your perspective will be different; your words will surely be different.
Thanks be to the Lord God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob - that beloved Egypt was blessed with strength of presence to help negotiate a cease-fire.
Blessed BE the Lord.

 

[Yaacov]

Wow have you never even read the prophets.

You are actually quite a sad case. a pity, because you seem very nice.

You bear false witness, beloved.

 

[Yaacov]

Jesus replied, "It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by His own authority."

All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Jesus...

And... There are no other gods...

Isaiah 45:22 + Revelation 3:20

The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
If He called them gods, unto whom the Word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Say ye of Him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

It becomes increasingly evident - by reasoning with others of different nations - that to think in Hebrew terms with others (of other nations) stirs much strife; much IS different, when considering those who are raised in the culture established by Adonai by beloved elder Moshe and those who are not. The difference is so very stark until the underlying tone of condemnation is heard. Truly. And more often than not, presumptuous conclusions - during discussions - are reached without ever saying, "Do you mean ____ when you say ___ ?"

But the Lord our God IS one. All who seek the true and living God must ask themselves (when discussions yield numerous points of view), did not the Holy Spirit make all think and speak the same, maintaining a magnifiscent UNITY once He (the Holy Spirit) was recieved? And rather than going on for days or weeks, why is the Power of God used to bring clarity and resolve - i wonder?

Further - if many of us are questioned, "What does it mean to FEAR God?", the numerous answers would also reveal much.
Those who walk with the wise become wise; and those who walk with the God-fearing learn why He ought to be feared?

But above all, the Lord BE magnified.

 

[Magenta]

Actually if you read the first 20 pages of this thread youll find 20 members
at least banned, it must have been some trouble causing Group.

It would be erroneous to assume that all the people who show up as banned in the first 20 pages
of this thread were banned because of their participation here. Some were, for sure. There are quite
a few that show up as being a guest now, too, and they could still be here under a new user/member name.
@gb9 said it was not any group, and yet there were some that joined as prior friends and posted together.

 

[Mem]

I've noticed a recurring pattern of people exalting themselves, with lofty speech and whatnot, and then adding an "the Lord be magnified" as an endpoint after 'humbling' others using backhanded terms of endearment? What part of "humble yourselves" do so many of these nuts miss while doing this? Is the stage lighting that blinding?

 

[VCO]

I agree we are not saved by works but keep in mind that salvation doesnt give us a license to live like the devil .

Now the is a fib about Churches that Believe about Churches that you believe are evangelical OSAS Churches and are always saved by Grace Alone, from the Beginning of the World. I have been in 17 Churches (we moved a lot in my younger years) and in my life after I was Born Again, AND NOT ONE OF THEM TAUGHT YOU CAN LIVE LIKE THE DEVIL, after you are SAVED. We are all taught genuine Salvation changed you on the inside, TO LOVE THE LORD MORE THAN ANYTHING ON THIS PLANET, and therefore you Want to Please HIM, once you have the Holy Spirit in you. You have been taught a lie about OSAS Churches.

 

[Yaacov]

I've noticed a recurring pattern of people exalting themselves, with lofty speech and whatnot, and then adding an "the Lord be magnified" as an endpoint after 'humbling' others using backhanded terms of endearment? What part of "humble yourselves" do so many of these nuts miss while doing this? Is the stage lighting that blinding?

Prayer reveals much; for the law IS ask and ye shall receive.
I have heard the Messiah - Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth - use words like 'hypocrite' and 'fool'. Do you truly mean to call one or more who gather in the name of the LORD a 'nut' - implying that such an one is 'crazy'?

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

I can only ask why, beloved? (and as best as possible - I love <all>, and hence - 'beloved'. TRUTH)

 

[Snacker]

I've noticed a recurring pattern of people exalting themselves, with lofty speech and whatnot, and then adding an "the Lord be magnified" as an endpoint after 'humbling' others using backhanded terms of endearment? What part of "humble yourselves" do so many of these nuts miss while doing this? Is the stage lighting that blinding?

One word: Schizophrenia.

 

[Fundaamental]

It would be erroneous to assume that all the people who show up as banned in the first 20 pages
of this thread were banned because of their participation here. Some were, for sure. There are quite
a few that show up as being a guest now, too, and they could still be here under a new user/member name.
@gb9 said it was not any group, and yet there were some that joined as prior friends and posted together.

It's seems ironic that people are working very hard to prove a point about not being saved by works 😊

We work to save our lifes, hunger is a terrible thing.

salvation is about saving life to.
and salvation was brought About by the work of Jesus and his father.

life was given in the first place by the father who worked none stop for six days and rested.

its also thought that God's work is never done and God never truly rests,

since we are now one with Christ. we should work for the better Good, to save people from eternal damnation by putting them on the right path.

this a type of works for salvation to because we are working for the lord to bring someone salvation, as in showing them the door to knock seek and find.


This is what the lord commanded and the lord even prepares works in advance for people to go out and help to save people.

so works really are nesacarey for salvation.

after salvation for the individual they will get works delivered to them selfs to do the same thing of leading people to Christ as Jesus leads and works for people to bring them to his father for salvation.

there shouldn't be any argument of works in my opinion. 😊

 

[Snacker]

so works really are nesacarey for salvation.

Then why waste time on CC when you should be out there saving yourself?

 

[Fundaamental]

Then why waste time on CC when you should be out there saving yourself?

lol wasting time on a Christian place of gathering is definitely a works against salvation if you look at it being a waste of time that is. But I don't feel it's a waste of time to talk to people despite others wasting my time,

Besides I can only do what the lord has willed for me personally in his good time keeping.

 

[Snacker]

I can only do what the lord has willed for me personally in his good time keeping.

The Lord wills you to save yourself?

 

[Fundaamental]

The Lord wills you to save yourself?

are you asking me that ?, Or assuming that was what I was implying ?. I can't fathom how you came to this question from my post.

Well the lord willed salvation in to existence but that's his will not mine, the lord's will is that his church lead people to salvation.
Which is a works for the church prepared in advance.

I said the lord's works is nesacarey for salvation not mine. 😊

 

[Yaacov]

Now the is a fib about Churches that Believe about Churches that you believe are evangelical OSAS Churches and are always saved by Grace Alone, from the Beginning of the World. I have been in 17 Churches (we moved a lot in my younger years) and in my life after I was Born Again, AND NOT ONE OF THEM TAUGHT YOU CAN LIVE LIKE THE DEVIL, after you are SAVED. We are all taught genuine Salvation changed you on the inside, TO LOVE THE LORD MORE THAN ANYTHING ON THIS PLANET, and therefore you Want to Please HIM, once you have the Holy Spirit in you. You have been taught a lie about OSAS Churches.

I caution as many as will hear

One word: Schizophrenia.

Beloved - there IS but one sin that shall not be forgiven - not in this world, nor the world to come:

28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: 30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

I adjure that you begin to pray before attempted to 'heal' your brethren and sistren here; for such IS but part of our calling.
In the ranks of Israel, from ancient times until now, we have known that when one suffers such a condition ('schizophrenia'), they have an unclean spirit (demon); western medicine largely denies the presence of 'spirits', whether clean or unclean. In your zeal to serve the LORD, you do yourself a great disservice, IF you are accustomed to speaking such things without just cause.

Perhaps (please) try to consider 'how' love is exercised:

29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Now if you have proof that one is not obeying as best as they can these two most important laws (for proof IS necessary in all courts, including the Highest Court - lest ye be charged with bearing false witness), perhaps prayer for the sickly flock member - or some other Power of God; and if you are certain that they are inhabited by a demon, perhaps gather an assembly and use the Power which Adonai (Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth) has granted us - and yes, some demons CANNOT be removed except by both fasting AND prayer.

Please consider.

The Lord BE magnified.
(why? because He alone IS worthy; all others fall short of the glory of God. But Hasatan seeks to fill our hearts (with pride) that we diminish the Glory of the LORD shared with us AND stain or remove our own garb which He has granted us - that we be found guilty/stained or without 'spiritual garb' at all:
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.)

 

[Mem]

Do you truly mean to call one or more who gather in the name of the LORD a 'nut' - implying that such an one is 'crazy'?

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

No, I call one or more that gather in the pretense of the name of the LORD 'nuts.' And your scale of judgment is as off as its rocker so, I can't place very much weight onto it.