water baptism in Jesus' Name.

Ted01 · May 25, 2023

The only baptism that is not a work is the baptism of the Holy Spirit... God does that, we don't.

A work, any work by definition, requires effort on our part... any effort is therefore a "work".
Water baptism is definitely a "work"... a thing that requires effort on our part.

It's absurd that people mangle common language to suit their wacky ideas/doctrines.

heartwashed · May 25, 2023

Niki7 said:

All I know is that when I was baptized by a Calvary Chapel pastor, he didn't speak the titles over me; and neither did he speak the name.

And you really do seem to hate me. Why else would you speak such hateful things as "the truth is just not in you, DUDE"?

heartwashed · May 25, 2023

Ted01 said:

John 3:16 is indeed "iffy"...other verses contain more absolute promises.

Maybe the Jesus "you know" is in those verses and not in John 3:16.

Ted01 · May 25, 2023

heartwashed said:

Since you say that your god is "iffy", I'm beginning to see why your doctrines are so far removed from Scripture. What I don't understand is why you would choose to stay with your iffy god and not turn to Jesus since He is so trustworthy... Scripture talks all about that aspect of Him.

heartwashed · May 25, 2023

Ted01 said:

Water baptism in Jesus' name cannot be a work because it produces salvation (remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost).

And "salvation is not of works" (Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:1-8, Titus 3:3-7, Romans 11:5-6).

I know that you keep saying that salvation is a work because in that statement, you are attempting to deny the plain meaning of Acts 2:38-39.

It isn't going to work; for the meaning of that scripture is plain.

And those who have received the promise (through fulfilling the condition) are not going to be moved by your statements that we are condemned by the thing that saved us; for we have absolute assurance of salvation because we have identified with Jesus in His death, burial, and resurrection through baptism in His Name.

We know what the promise is.

And since we cannot undo being baptized, if it does indeed condemn us, I suppose that we are going to have to live with that condemnation.

However it does not condemn us but it has most assuredly saved us.

heartwashed · May 25, 2023

Ted01 said:

Don't put words in my mouth.

I have not said that my God is "iffy".

I said that John 3:16 speaks of the fact that mere belief is "iffy" as concerning its ability to absolutely save a person.

Mark 16:16 is a more absolute promise; and my God is in it.

heartwashed · May 25, 2023

heartwashed said:

Two "x's" and thus, two people denying what the Bible even says.

Pretty crazy!

Beckie · May 25, 2023

Ted01 said:

Clastic cultish double talk that is all this thread is ...

Ted01 · May 25, 2023

heartwashed said:

That's absurd, as I've said...
You're redefining the word "work" just to fit your made up doctrine... it would be laughable if not for the fact that you're making a mockery of the Gospel and God's word.

Your whole notion that water baptism is a component of Salvation is a farce.. as outlined in the Scriptures themselves.
It's like you know that a works-based religion isn't what God has set up, but then you add a work to your made-up idea of salvation, and then claim it's not a work.

Ted01 · May 25, 2023

heartwashed said:

Your lack of ability to articulate your thoughts is your own problem... don't blame other people for listening to what you say instead listening to what you mean.

regardless, John 3:16 isn't "iffy" to many people on the planet... just because you have issues with it doesn't mean John 3:16 isn't a very reliable promise on it's own.

Beckie · May 25, 2023

time to unwatch this anti the Blood of Christ game.

heartwashed · May 25, 2023

Again, there appear to be many naysayers to what I am preaching.

1Co 2:14, But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1Co 16:9, For a great door and effectual is opened unto me, and there are many adversaries.

Thus has the Lord said to me:

Eze 3:27, But when I speak with thee, I will open thy mouth, and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; He that heareth, let him hear; and he that forbeareth, let him forbear: for they are a rebellious house.

and,

Eze 3:9, As an adamant harder than flint have I made thy forehead: fear them not, neither be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house.
Eze 3:10, Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, all my words that I shall speak unto thee receive in thine heart, and hear with thine ears.
Eze 3:11, And go, get thee to them of the captivity, unto the children of thy people, and speak unto them, and tell them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear.

heartwashed · May 25, 2023

Ted01 said:

In other words, it is foolishness to you (see 1 Corinthians 1:18,21)?

heartwashed · May 25, 2023

Ted01 said:

If I clarify what I have said, then they know what I mean.

In the kjv, John 3:16 is "iffy"...other verses contain more absolute promises that can be better relied upon.

But people here seem to want to double down on their contentions instead of listening to what is clearly written in holy scripture (such as Luke 8:13).

heartwashed · May 25, 2023

Ted01 said:

I didn't "make it up". I got it straight from the Bible: such passages as Acts 2:38-39, Ezekiel 36:25-27, 1 Peter 3:20-21, and Romans 6:1-4.

heartwashed · May 25, 2023

Ted01 said:

The scriptures that do speak of baptism do speak of the fact that baptism can be salvation to the soul.

You can pit other scriptures against them instead of harmonizing them...

However, in doing so, you are not practicing sound biblical exegesis.

heartwashed · May 25, 2023

Ted01 said:

It is the only possible conclusion if the scriptures are not going to contradict each other.

And since I got it from holy scripture, it is not a made-up idea.

heartwashed · May 25, 2023

Beckie said:

I'm sorry you feel that way.

The Greek word for "and" is "kai"; which can be translated "even".

Thus,

1Jo 5:6, This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water <even> blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
1Jo 5:7, For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, <even> the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1Jo 5:8, And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, <even> the water, <even> the blood: and these three agree in one.

Thus, the blood and the water are practically synonymous in holy scripture.

heartwashed · May 25, 2023

It is contended that emphasizing the waters of baptism is to diminish the doctrine of the blood of Christ.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

It is written in Hebrews 9:22 that without the shedding of blood there is no remission.

Therefore, since baptism in Jesus' Name brings the remission of sins (Mark 1:4, Acts 2:38), how is it denying the blood?

I say to you verily that it appropriates the blood.

heartwashed · May 25, 2023

It should also be clear to everyone that one doctrine in holy scripture is never going to diminish another doctrine in holy scripture.

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