water baptism in Jesus' Name.

[heartwashed]

If your wrong, your leading people to hell

since we believe one should be baptized.. if we are wrong.. we are still saved, because we did still get baptized.

How am I leading people to hell? By exhorting them to be baptized?

That will save them.

But by removing the motivation for being baptized, you are helping people to excuse themselves from receiving the ordinance that would save them, and thus you are leading them to hell, whether you have been baptized or not. God will hold you accountable for that. Don't think that you will get off scott-free with your error.

 

[heartwashed]

wrong,

this showes your lack of knowledge of the word.. The origional bible was nto written in chapter/verse form..

That is something that has been said over the years but I don't think that there is any evidence to back it up. I think that even the dead sea scrolls had chapter divisions.

 

[heartwashed]

No,

You and people like you do..

I gave you a bunch of scriptures, nothing else. And you said that they devalued the blood of Jesus.

Shame on you.

 

[heartwashed]

No

Baptism in water for salvation shows your faith is in your physical act. and not in christ

thats what condemns you. because you are still in unbelief, hence still condemned.

I believe in Jesus with all of my heart.

In being baptized, I identified with Him in His death, burial, and resurrection; and thus I confessed Him before men.

Jesus Himself said that such a thing is salvational, in Matthew 10:32 and in Luke 12:8.

 

[heartwashed]

the word tongues.. 400 years ago, it just meant languages, today people see it and insert some jobberish language that is nto even a language

Because the Bible speaks of people speaking in tongues unknown to them in Acts 2. And also, in 1 Corinthians 13, the tongues of angels, are spoken of. So, you may not think it is even a language; but it may be the tongues of angels.

 

[heartwashed]

those people did not have faith..

No...the Bible says that they "believed for a while" (Luke 8:13).

 

[heartwashed]

salvation can not be lost.

That is only true if you are not one of the elect.

See Acts 10:43, which has been used of your "team" to say that we are saved by believing alone apart from baptism.

If salvation cannot be lost, then those who "believed and then fall away" (Luke 8:13) were never saved in the first place...and therefore they never had remission of sins. Yet Acts 10:43 says,

Act 10:43, To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Since they did believe, they also had remission of sins.

Therefore, the fact that they had remission of sins and then "fell away" means that once had remission of sins but then lost that benefit.

It can be said that they were saved in that they had forgiveness (temporarily); but that they were not saved in that they were not of the elect.

 

[heartwashed]

your KJV is flawed. its a translated. it is not inspired by God.

2Ti 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17, That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

So, what of faulty translations, that teach such things as Universalism? Their doctrine can be shown to be flawed by comparing them to the kjv which trumps every other version any time there is a discrepancy.

 

[heartwashed]

go drink poison and allow a snake to bite you and see if you do not die.

In fact. look at all the believers who died of these very thing in the last 2000 years. and then tell me if the end of mark 16 can be verified.

I drink poison into my body once every three weeks and it does not kill me. i take an injection for an illness (which shall remain unnamed) which is in fact poison.

 

[heartwashed]

he wont look at the greek.. He would see it is aorist tense in John 3..

I'm willing to learn from you. Which verb in John 3 is in the aorist tense? And, what exactly is the aorist tense?

 

[heartwashed]

If your God is "iffy" and you can't trust him... try coming to Jesus because He can be trusted!

Jer. 17:7
Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord,
whose trust is the Lord.

Lol...my God certainly isn't "iffy".

He has given me promises that are more absolute than that of John 3:16.

 

[heartwashed]

Has any one here posted anything saying Christians should not be baptized?

No, obviously not.

They have attempted to strip away from the unbeliever the reason that he may have for being baptized.

He may think that he has to be "saved" first.

Thus he will not receive baptism in Jesus' Name which, if he received, would in fact save him.

 

[Ted01]

Lol...my God certainly isn't "iffy".

He has given me promises that are more absolute than that of John 3:16.

Then why did you say that His promises were sometimes "iffy"? If you think that the promise in John 3 is iffy... you're not talking about the Jesus that I know. j/s...

 

[heartwashed]

Again, the answer eludes you because you don't understand grammar.

The entire verse is an "if" statement. "Whosoever believes" is like saying, "If you believe". There is a condition in the statement. Those who don't meet the condition are excluded.

It is an absolute promise for those who meet the condition.

 

[heartwashed]

Good. You might want to check out the original 1611 KJV, which included Judith and Tobit, among several others. By your "logic", those who printed your "Protestant kjv" violated Revelation 22.

You're now stuck in a logical box of your own making.

As I said before, I believe that the 66 books in the Bible correspond to the 66 chapters in Isaiah.

So, either Judith and Tobit don't belong in the canon, or else you would have to take out two other books.

 

[heartwashed]

Face value of Scripture?
Do you wear sandals? Mar_6:9 But be shod with sandals; and not put on two coats.

Mat_5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

1Co_14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Ti_2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

Mat_5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

I believe that 1 Corinthians 14:34 and 1 Timothy 2:11 are for today.

Matthew 5:37 speaks of integrity.

Matthew 5:30 is hyperbole...exaggeration to make a point.

 

[heartwashed]

27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Galatians 3

This indicates spiritual union with Christ and has nothing to do with water baptism. Absolutely nothing.

False teaching, also given by a female.

1Ti 2:11, Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12, But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13, For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14, And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

 

[heartwashed]

And again, baptism is not a work; otherwise, it does not save as scripture so plainly says that it does in Acts 2:38-29, Ezekiel 36:25-27, 1 Peter 4:20-21, and Romans 6:1-4.

Sorry, I meant 3:20-21.

 

[heartwashed]

Out of context with Jesus' coversation with Nicodemus, but not out of context with John 3:14-18. Period.

Same context as all of John 3. Period.

 

[heartwashed]

What I just said, is actually taught by Chuck Smith and the entire Calvary Chapel movement.

That has been proven to be an untrue statement from you. I posted what they teach and it is not what you teach. We all can read here or we would not be on here and we all can see that you fudge what you say and twist what others say at times and simply ignore any and all posts that define your heretical errors. You either accept the gospel as it is presented or you do not. You, do not.

The thing that I said was taught by pastor Chuck was, not everything that I teach; but specifically the doctrine of the Holy Spirit as being with, in, and upon. That is a basic teaching of the Calvary Chapel Movement. Ask your Bible Study teacher.

And it hurts my feelings that you keep calling me a heretic, even though it means that I am in good company with Paul (Acts 24:14 (kjv)).