water baptism in Jesus' Name.
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Are the commandments iffy for you also @heartwashed ??? .
Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt
not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt
not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
1 + 2 are a formula for absolute assurance of salvation.
1 alone is a formula for a salvation that can be lost.
3 is a formula for damnation and usually involves #4. and is not baptized.
Because if you don't believe you are probably not going to be baptized...so baptism doesn't even need to be mentioned in the latter part...it is a given that if you don't believe, you won't be baptized.
Where are the "if's" in this equation?
1 alone is a formula for a salvation that can be lost.
3 is a formula for damnation and usually involves #4. and is not baptized.
Because if you don't believe you are probably not going to be baptized...so baptism doesn't even need to be mentioned in the latter part...it is a given that if you don't believe, you won't be baptized.
Where are the "if's" in this equation?
Sorry.
Googled <"should" and "shall" as they were meant in the kjv 400 yrs ago>
and this is what came up:
https://www.google.com/search?q="sh...me..69i57.18997j1j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Googled <"should" and "shall" as they were meant in the kjv 400 yrs ago>
and this is what came up:
https://www.google.com/search?q="sh...me..69i57.18997j1j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
You "add" must be water baptized "in Jesus name" (only) to salvation through faith in Christ, which is faith + works and the Bible states we are saved through faith, not works, so it's just the opposite of what you said above in regards to the day of judgment. I already received water baptism after my conversion anyway, so I'm saved even according to your faith + baptism = salvation argument. Unles being water baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is not good enough for you. It was good enough for Jesus. (Matthew 28:19)
If you were standing at the gates of heaven right now and Jesus Christ asked you why He should let you into heaven, what would be your answer? Because you were water baptized using the specific formula, "in Jesus name?" That's obviously what you are trusting in for salvation. My answer would be, because you died for sins, were buried and rose again the third day to provide for me eternal life. I trust in YOU as the ALL-sufficient means of my salvation. Praise God!
If you were standing at the gates of heaven right now and Jesus Christ asked you why He should let you into heaven, what would be your answer? Because you were water baptized using the specific formula, "in Jesus name?" That's obviously what you are trusting in for salvation. My answer would be, because you died for sins, were buried and rose again the third day to provide for me eternal life. I trust in YOU as the ALL-sufficient means of my salvation. Praise God!
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No it's not. What part of "Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus is over" and "Jesus and His disciples have moved on and came into the land of Judea" don't you understand? Also, the word "baptism" is not found in John 3:5 yet John 3:14-18 is in the immediate context which connects "believes in Him" (apart from additions or modifications) to receiving eternal life. You need to seriously consider the truth here.
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I already explained to you that John 3:16 is not iffy salvation. The word "should" subjunctive mood expresses a possibility or a consequence which results if a condition is met. In the case of John 3:16 the condition is “whoever believes in Him.” When that condition is met, two things happen. The person shall not perish, but receive eternal life and half or more of the English translations of John 3:16 do not use the word should. The NASB and NIV read, “whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.” The NET Bible, LEB, and HCSB have the same translation except they use "will" instead of shall (will not perish). In John 3:18, even in the KJV, we read - He that believeth on him is not condemned.. Hmm.. so why doesn't it read, "should not be condemned?" So much for your iffy salvation.
Saving belief in Christ continues (in the present tense) and is not some shallow, temporary belief that has no root, produces no fruit and withers away, as we see in the 2nd type of soil in the parable of the sower. Unlike saving belief, temporary, shallow belief is not rooted in a regenerate heart. How can no depth of earth, no root, no moisture, no fruit, represent saving belief? It doesn't. Also the same Greek word for believe "pisteuo" is used in James 2:19, in which we read that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God," but they are not saved.
Now even though this shallow ground hearer in Luke 8:13 is said to have "believed," yet he is never said to have been "saved." How do we know that the shallow ground hearer was never actually "saved"? I will explain the reasons.
First, his heart condition is contrasted with that of the "good ground" hearer in the 4th soil, who's heart was "good" and "honest." Thus, his heart was not "good," being like the soil to which it corresponds, being "shallow" or "rocky," lacking sufficient depth. Such soil represents a sinner not properly prepared in heart. People who "believe" and "rejoice" at the preaching of the gospel without a prepared heart, and without a good and honest heart, and without having "root" in themselves, do not experience real salvation.
John has portrayed people who "believe" (at least to some level) but are clearly not saved. There is a stage in the progress of belief in Jesus which "falls short of firmly rooted and established belief resulting in salvation." As we see in John 2:23-25, in which their belief was superficial in nature and Jesus would not entrust/commit Himself to them.
Also, in John 8:31-59, where the Jews who were said to have "believed in him" turn out to be slaves to sin, indifferent to the words of Jesus’, children of the devil, liars, accused Jesus of having a demon and were guilty of setting out to stone and kill the one they have professed to believe in. We can see at best, these Jews believed in Him (based on their own misconceptions and expectations) of Jesus, yet upon gaining further knowledge about Jesus through His words, we see they did not truly "believe unto salvation" and become children of God (John 1:12; 3:18) but were instead children of the devil.
IN CONTRAST TO - Mark 4:8 - But other seed fell on good ground and yielded a crop that sprang up, increased and produced: some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some a hundred. Luke 8:15 says, But the ones that fell on the good ground are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keep it and bear fruit with patience. So the rocky soil represents a person not properly prepared in heart and the seed planted ends up with a lack of "root" (lack of being firmly planted, or established) and good soil represents a person properly prepared in heart who having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keeps it and bears fruit with patience.
Saving belief in Christ continues (in the present tense) and is not some shallow, temporary belief that has no root, produces no fruit and withers away, as we see in the 2nd type of soil in the parable of the sower. Unlike saving belief, temporary, shallow belief is not rooted in a regenerate heart. How can no depth of earth, no root, no moisture, no fruit, represent saving belief? It doesn't. Also the same Greek word for believe "pisteuo" is used in James 2:19, in which we read that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God," but they are not saved.
Now even though this shallow ground hearer in Luke 8:13 is said to have "believed," yet he is never said to have been "saved." How do we know that the shallow ground hearer was never actually "saved"? I will explain the reasons.
First, his heart condition is contrasted with that of the "good ground" hearer in the 4th soil, who's heart was "good" and "honest." Thus, his heart was not "good," being like the soil to which it corresponds, being "shallow" or "rocky," lacking sufficient depth. Such soil represents a sinner not properly prepared in heart. People who "believe" and "rejoice" at the preaching of the gospel without a prepared heart, and without a good and honest heart, and without having "root" in themselves, do not experience real salvation.
John has portrayed people who "believe" (at least to some level) but are clearly not saved. There is a stage in the progress of belief in Jesus which "falls short of firmly rooted and established belief resulting in salvation." As we see in John 2:23-25, in which their belief was superficial in nature and Jesus would not entrust/commit Himself to them.
Also, in John 8:31-59, where the Jews who were said to have "believed in him" turn out to be slaves to sin, indifferent to the words of Jesus’, children of the devil, liars, accused Jesus of having a demon and were guilty of setting out to stone and kill the one they have professed to believe in. We can see at best, these Jews believed in Him (based on their own misconceptions and expectations) of Jesus, yet upon gaining further knowledge about Jesus through His words, we see they did not truly "believe unto salvation" and become children of God (John 1:12; 3:18) but were instead children of the devil.
IN CONTRAST TO - Mark 4:8 - But other seed fell on good ground and yielded a crop that sprang up, increased and produced: some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some a hundred. Luke 8:15 says, But the ones that fell on the good ground are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keep it and bear fruit with patience. So the rocky soil represents a person not properly prepared in heart and the seed planted ends up with a lack of "root" (lack of being firmly planted, or established) and good soil represents a person properly prepared in heart who having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keeps it and bears fruit with patience.
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Well then you are misinformed
You receive the spirit after hearing the word. The gospel of your salvation. after having believed. you were sealed with the spirit. (eph 1)
No baptism involved. and Acts 2? you can keep transmigrating it all you want. it will not help you in your quest to earn salvation
You receive the spirit after hearing the word. The gospel of your salvation. after having believed. you were sealed with the spirit. (eph 1)
No baptism involved. and Acts 2? you can keep transmigrating it all you want. it will not help you in your quest to earn salvation
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no sir
they received the spirit because they heard the word and believed.
eph 1:
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[d] is the [e]guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
Peter said repent. They heard.
Peter said if they repent and believe, they would be given the gift of the spirit.. they heard and believed, and were given the spirit
then on the account of their received remission of sin, they were baptized.
Please note. they were baptized with the spirit. before they were baptized in water.
they received the spirit because they heard the word and believed.
eph 1:
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[d] is the [e]guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
Peter said repent. They heard.
Peter said if they repent and believe, they would be given the gift of the spirit.. they heard and believed, and were given the spirit
then on the account of their received remission of sin, they were baptized.
Please note. they were baptized with the spirit. before they were baptized in water.
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Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned. The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely necessary for salvation. Jesus NEVER said "whoever is not baptized will be condemned." Condemnation rests on unbelief and not on a lack of baptism. *NOWHERE does the Bible say "baptized or condemned."
If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, we would expect Jesus to mention it in the following verses, yet He does not mention it. (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) Now what was the one requirement that Jesus mentions nine different times in each of these complete statements? *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.
*John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, we would expect Jesus to mention it in the following verses, yet He does not mention it. (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) Now what was the one requirement that Jesus mentions nine different times in each of these complete statements? *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.
*John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
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