Mark 10:9 what GOD has joined together.....even for bad marriages?

[hornetguy]

I am beginning to think that going online, to one of the sites that has women from overseas that are looking for an American man to marry might be the answer to John's issue. These women want a life in the U.S. and are willing.
This would be no different from an "arranged" marriage... it would be a marriage of convenience. Both parties would get what they want from it, and it could certainly develop into a loving relationship....

 

[JohnB]

I dont mean the material things I mean what fruit are you growing? Who are you as a person? Is marriage to you all about relieving your sexual drive?
Do you realise it is no longer all about you and now you have some responsibilities towards her, are you willing to step up?

A lot of those things, like fruits of the spirit, come in a far second to being able to provide.

 

[JohnB]

You are thinking of Hosea. I'm trying to help you but it seems you would rather complain than actually learn.
Habakkuk teaches that the just shall walk by faith and that we can live well and worsh

Walking by faith while working in the church got me nowhere closer to where I wanted to be.

 

[Cameron143]

Walking by faith while working in the church got me nowhere closer to where I wanted to be.

Ok. But what you have done isn't working. At some point you may want to listen to people who have gone through what you are experiencing and have come out the other side.

 

[JohnB]

Ok. But what you have done isn't working. At some point you may want to listen to people who have gone through what you are experiencing and have come out the other side.

No one I know has gone through what I've been going through. Everyone I know has gotten married or had no desire to be married. Friends I knew when I was in my 30's and 40's said, there is no reason for me to be single. With all the effort you're putting in, you should be married. I've gone out with women who could not believe I had never been married. I wasn't what they were looking for, but they still could not understand why I was still single. It's like the hand of GOD blocked all my efforts.

 

[Nehemiah6]

It's like the hand of GOD blocked all my efforts.

I wouldn't blame God for your situation. Since you use the word "efforts" maybe you were subconsciously trying too hard to avoid a total commitment. Who knows?

 

[Cameron143]

No one I know has gone through what I've been going through. Everyone I know has gotten married or had no desire to be married. Friends I knew when I was in my 30's and 40's said, there is no reason for me to be single. With all the effort you're putting in, you should be married. I've gone out with women who could not believe I had never been married. I wasn't what they were looking for, but they still could not understand why I was still single. It's like the hand of GOD blocked all my efforts.

I'm just going to be blunt with you. And I hope that it will be received in love...
God has blocked it. The question you should have been asking all along is why? Think about why you exist. You are here to glorify God. Your first job every day is Matt 6:33...to seek His kingdom and righteousness. But you get up every day and live for you. You seek a wife and not God first. The majority of your thoughts are about what you want, not what God wants. Why would you think God would bless such on your part. You have spent your entire adult life seeking a wife before seeking God. That is the source of your discontent. You have never been satisfied in God. Until you are, regardless of what God gives you, you won't find peace and joy. You will simply be discontent in a marriage relationship.
I realize I have been very direct with you and I hope you can look past the tenor of the message and hear the message itself. I truly do want what is good for you and pray for you often. Blessings.

 

[NOV25]

Jesus did address the idea of woman divorcing her husband, in Mark 10:

NIV
5 “It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law,” Jesus replied. 6 “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’[a] 7 ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,[b] 8 and the two will become one flesh.’[c] So they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

10 When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this. 11 He answered, “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. 12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”

KJV
7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;

8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.

9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

10 And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter.

11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.

12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.


It seems women were somehow able to divorce back then, and it was a reality regardless of whether or not it was allowed. They were somehow able to divorce.

Research “agunah: the chained woman”
Woman weren’t, and still aren’t able to divorce the husband in some Jewish communities.

Sadly, most English translations get it wrong. Apoluo: put away, is not the same as Apostasion: divorce, divorce certificate.

Very interesting study.

 

[BearerOfTheMorningStar]

God hates divorce. Only if you find out your spouse is a fornicator are you permitted to divorce without offending God. God expects the married to work out their issues rather than divorce if the issues are anything besides fornication.

 

[OLDMANBORNAGAIN]

No one I know has gone through what I've been going through. Everyone I know has gotten married or had no desire to be married. Friends I knew when I was in my 30's and 40's said, there is no reason for me to be single. With all the effort you're putting in, you should be married. I've gone out with women who could not believe I had never been married. I wasn't what they were looking for, but they still could not understand why I was still single. It's like the hand of GOD blocked all my efforts.

@JohnB I'm so very sorry to hear this, John. Take good care, mate.

Douglas

 

[NOV25]

God hates divorce. Only if you find out your spouse is a fornicator are you permitted to divorce without offending God. God expects the married to work out their issues rather than divorce if the issues are anything besides fornication.

This isn’t entirely true. The reasons for divorce are ervah: uncleanness.. which include but are not limited to fornication. See Leviticus for examples of ervah.

Deuteronomy 24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.
3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;
4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the Lord: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

Most folks reach a false divorce and remarriage doctrine due to a faulty English translation of the word apoluo in Matthew 5&19, Mark 10, Luke 16.

Very interesting study. Remember, God’s word is infallible but English translations are not.

 

[BearerOfTheMorningStar]

This isn’t entirely true. The reasons for divorce are ervah: uncleanness.. which include but are not limited to fornication. See Leviticus for examples of ervah.

Deuteronomy 24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.
3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;
4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the Lord: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

Most folks reach a false divorce and remarriage doctrine due to a faulty English translation of the word apoluo in Matthew 5&19, Mark 10, Luke 16.

Very interesting study. Remember, God’s word is infallible but English translations are not.

Again, it is clear from the words of Jesus himself; divorce is not permitted except for the cause of fornication, and that's it. As for remarriage, this is entirely forbidden as it is just adultery. You will keep your promises and your vows says the God. If your marriage is having issues that are besides the issue of fornications, then you should work it out rather than commit a grievous sin like divorce.

 

[NOV25]

Again, it is clear from the words of Jesus himself; divorce is not permitted except for the cause of fornication, and that's it. As for remarriage, this is entirely forbidden as it is just adultery. You will keep your promises and your vows says the God. If your marriage is having issues that are besides the issue of fornications, then you should work it out rather than commit a grievous sin like divorce.

You’re wrong. Please review my previous post, spend some time studying the Greek.

As previously mentioned, God’s word is infallible but the ESV etc. is not

 

[BearerOfTheMorningStar]

You’re wrong. Please review my previous post, spend some time studying the Greek.

As previously mentioned, God’s word is infallible but the ESV etc. is not

I have reviewed your post. You posted indeed what Jesus is referring to when he tells them that Moses wrote this for the hardness of their own hearts. Jesus further clarifies the deep spiritual truths about marriage and explicitly details that divorce is not permitted except for fornications, and that remarriage is utterly forbidden as it is adultery.

 

[JohnB]

One thing I just thought of, at least in heaven GOD will not cause you the pains you feel in this life. I have to believe he will cause you no more struggles.

 

[NOV25]

I have reviewed your post. You posted indeed what Jesus is referring to when he tells them that Moses wrote this for the hardness of their own hearts. Jesus further clarifies the deep spiritual truths about marriage and explicitly details that divorce is not permitted except for fornications, and that remarriage is utterly forbidden as it is adultery.

There’s a blessing awaiting Christians who embark on this study, I pray you find it.

Deuteronomy clearly allows for divorce and remarriage for reasons including but not limited to fornication.
Deuteronomy is infallible, is the inspired word of Christ.
Christ did not contradict Deuteronomy In Matthew 5/19, Mark 10 and Luke 16.

As previously mentioned, most English translations are the cause of your false doctrine. Happy hunting 😁

 

[BearerOfTheMorningStar]

There’s a blessing awaiting Christians who embark on this study, I pray you find it.

Deuteronomy clearly allows for divorce and remarriage for reasons including but not limited to fornication.
Deuteronomy is infallible, is the inspired word of Christ.
Christ did not contradict Deuteronomy In Matthew 5/19, Mark 10 and Luke 16.

As previously mentioned, most English translations are the cause of your false doctrine.

I have studied it quite in depth.

Jesus says bluntly that the passage in Deuteronomy was put in there by Moses for the hardness of their hearts.
Jesus goes on to say that divorce is not permissible excepting for fornication. Jesus absolutely forbids remarriage and explicitly calls it adultery. Jesus is God's own living Word, Jesus is infallible.

 

[NOV25]

I have studied it quite in depth.

Jesus says bluntly that the passage in Deuteronomy was put in there by Moses for the hardness of their hearts.
Jesus goes on to say that divorce is not permissible excepting for fornication. Jesus absolutely forbids remarriage and explicitly calls it adultery. Jesus is God's own living Word, Jesus is infallible.

I don’t doubt you have studied it, perhaps that’s the reason we’re talking now.

“Jesus says bluntly that the passage in Deuteronomy was put in there by Moses for the hardness of their hearts.”

Think for a second my friend, is Deuteronomy the inspired word of God? Does Deuteronomy allow for divorce and remarriage for reasons other than fornication?

“Jesus goes on to say that divorce is not permissible excepting for fornication.”

If Deuteronomy allows for divorce and remarriage for reasons other than fornication then why would Jesus contradict that in Matthew, Mark and Luke?

He wouldn’t of course. There’s a problem with the English translation.
Wonderful study I hope you take on.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I have met women all through my life that I've found attractive, some I would have married. They chose someone else or GOD intervened. I could be in a room with 10 women. 9 of them I find very attractive, but it would be the one I'm NOT attracted to that hands me their number or shows an interest in me.

Rather clear, that God is saying, your Soul Mate is a Leah!

 

[BearerOfTheMorningStar]

I don’t doubt you have studied it, perhaps that’s the reason we’re talking now.

“Jesus says bluntly that the passage in Deuteronomy was put in there by Moses for the hardness of their hearts.”

Think for a second my friend, is Deuteronomy the inspired word of God? Does Deuteronomy allow for divorce and remarriage for reasons other than fornication?

“Jesus goes on to say that divorce is not permissible excepting for fornication.”

If Deuteronomy allows for divorce and remarriage for reasons other than fornication then why would Jesus contradict that in Matthew, Mark and Luke?

He wouldn’t of course. There’s a problem with the English translation.
Wonderful study I hope you take on.

Deuteronomy is the word of Moses. The question asked to Jesus is; why Moses permitted divorce for any cause and remarriage? Jesus answers this directly saying that Moses put it in there for the hardness of their hearts. Which of course Jesus would know as he is the same Word of God that came to Moses. Jesus then clarifies that it was not so always, but cites the book of Genesis how it is one man and one woman for life. Jesus further explicitly states with no ambiguity or room for misinterpretation that divorce is only permissible for fornications. Jesus elaborates on this that if you commit divorce you are causing your spouse to commit adultery and furthermore that if you marry such a one that is put away you are committing adultery. It is clear from these verses, as well as many others in the New Testament, particularly the Book of Revelation, that God hates divorce, remarriage is totally prohibitted, and that anyone that does these things should be regarded as an adulterer which is a high sin, a sin unto death and worthy of all excommunication from the holy body of Christ, in Jesus name, amen.