water baptism in Jesus' Name.
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I don't recall you posting anything worth addressing. What was your answer in regards to the effectual call vs. the general call?
Faith in the operation of God, who raised him from the dead. Not faith in water baptism.
Peter said receiving the Holy Ghost was promised to those who believed and obeyed his entire message. (Acts 2:2-42) Scripture reveals that some receive the Holy Ghost before being water baptized, and others after being water baptized. (Acts 8:12-18, 19:1-7) What is revealed in all conversion experiences is the need to believe in Jesus' death, burial and resurrection, repentance, obedience to water baptism in the name of Jesus for remission of sin, and being indwelt with the Holy Ghost.
Did not realize you were so sensitive and not everything you posted has been very Christ-like. Things are bound to get a bit heated at times in these types of discussions.
Yes, water baptism is the operation of God, in context; for the beginning of the verse (Colossians 2:12) says "Buried with Him in baptism".
You should be more specific. Because if you cannot be specific about what is un-Christ-like about my posts, then I think that you are just trying to make a general statement that cannot be disputed for that there is no frame of reference to determined whether or not the behaviour was Christ-like or not; it cannot be judged because the specifics have not been mentioned.
All too often what gets reported as heresy is not, but I routinely find heretical posts that have never been reported.
Heresies (not all inclusive):
Rejection of the Deity/Eternality of Christ
Universalism (everyone ends up in heaven eventually)
Rejection of the Omniscience/Omnipotence/Omnipresence of God
Rejection of the Trinity
Heresies (not all inclusive):
Rejection of the Deity/Eternality of Christ
Universalism (everyone ends up in heaven eventually)
Rejection of the Omniscience/Omnipotence/Omnipresence of God
Rejection of the Trinity
Water baptism is merely the picture of the reality. Spirit baptism is the reality. You ignored the circumcision made without hands in context. You are absolutely obsessed with water baptism.
You write: "these verses do not say what you are saying"
I disagree.
It seems that this is clearly what it is saying.
The verses are stating that water baptism is the point of the forgiveness of sins.
If this is not what these verses are saying then what message are they conveying?
"Water baptism is merely the picture of the reality."
What does this mean?
"Spirit baptism is the reality."
Spirit baptism by nature is metaphysical and cannot be used as a reference point in our reality. Water baptism is by nature physical and hence is used by the scriptures as the ordained moment in time for the forgiveness of sins.
Water baptism for the remission of sins is not a "picture" but simply a point of contact with the grace of God.
Water baptism for the remission of sins is a rather straight forward concept.
It seems you are the one obsessed with water baptism.
The scriptures presented in the defense of water baptism being the moment of the forgiveness of sins is accurate.
Your words are simply generic terms and lack textual authority.
When you come to texts of scripture that taken at face value are incompatible, how do you reconcile them?
God sent His Son to die in my place. I will be damned to think my actions are unto His salvation . God sent the perfect Lamb to the Cross shed His blood for the remission of sins . I will never put getting dunked in a river on the same , or as some here, above the Blood of Jesus. We are saved by
Grace Eph_2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Not even our faith, but His gift.
Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Gal_6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
I will not glory in the river dunking nor what is called the Baptism of the Holy Spirit of 40+ years ago.
Col_1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Why would you write such a thing and not present the "texts of scripture" that you believe are "incompatible"?
Ephesians 2:8-9 says we are saved by grace through faith. You are saying Acts 2:39 says we are saved in baptism. How do you reconcile the 2?