The Trinity...my take.

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Blain

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heartwashed said:
How have I added to it and made a liar out of Him?

God did predestinate according to foreknowledge according to His word.

From your perspective, because you don't know that you haven'r been predestined, the severity of hell ought to motivate you to seek after God until you know that you have been. If it doesn't, then maybe you were never predestined to salvation. But if it does, then you will make the choice to seek after God until you have obtained the promise; and will find that you were predestinated to salvation.

From man's perspective it is our choice.

From God's perspective it is His.

Because He looks down the annals of time and sees who will have faith in Him and who will not.

Also it is written,

Pro 16:4, The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
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Don't assume you know anything about me and talk to me about hell and seeking after him. From the very start there was only one thing I have been after that I have chased after hungered for thirsted and swore to go have it as my own and that is his heart.

See hell isn't what brought me to him it wasn't about heaven or hell for me I came to him begging him to come into my heart. But for me I fell madly in love with him the intimacy that we had how we would pour our deep affection and adoration for each other how I branded his heart and claimed it as mine don't assume just because I don't accept your view that I am not saved and you know I have actually been to hell Jesus took me there once and you don't come back the same you weep for the lost you are deeply troubled as they slowly walk into that horrible unspeakable place so hell doesn't scare me it makes me scared for the lost.

And yes, Jesus clearly stated in simple terms what it takes to be saved and who can be saved he could not have been any more clear so if you read what he said and you are ignoring it and still trying to justify your view on limited salvation when he made no such comment or implication then yes you are adding and taking away from his word he spoke you listen this is the only way you recieve the truth the real truth.

Your reading the word but not listening to it, you read what Jesus but don't listen as if he is actually speaking because imagine if he was speaking and you were there he speaks what I gave to you and you speak your doctrine or at least start to he stops you mid sentence and askes is that what I said?

You say no, and then try to explain why you were saying what you were saying or tried to but again before you can get half way through your senetence he asks again is that what I said? you stop there because you know you don't want him asking a third time.

This is how he showed me, I have been saved for almost ten years now and he and I have always been very close and always had a very deep relationship and love for each other but early this year he came in and just blasted my life with his presence bringing me to a new level dimension and position with him the truth was so much more than we ever thought the beauty and wonder of it is to much to even look at and yet you can't take your eyes off it. It is him and it is the promise the kingdom the glory and mahesty of Christ that encircles him like fire.

He is so much more than we ever dreamed and we are so much more than we ever thought the actual things he is going to do is going to change the entire game.

Soyou can if you want keep dealing with your doctrine that you hold so dear I am going after the real thing.
 
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evyaniy said:
from verse 3.

the simplicity that is in Messiah.

Believe in the Son and that the Father raised Him from the dead and thou shalt be saved and receive the Holy Spirit.

That's the point. The Gospel message is simple and available to everyone who believes in Him. How they choose to worship is a separate matter. What denominations would be excluded on the basis of their doctrines? Yet how many people who choose to worship there have simple faith in Him and will receive Eternal Life?

None of us have it all right. We are all flawed in our understanding and doctrines and behaviors to some degree. Some think they need to adhere to a set of sacraments or Church teachings. That does not exclude them from Salvation. Many stayed with the Church of their parents. Those Church doctrines may be greatly flawed. Those with simple faith in the Son still receive His promise of Eternal Life despite doctrinal issues in the church they attend.
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Good sir you have earned my respect and that takes a lot to do.
 
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CS1 said:
The Spirit of Christ is Eternal and was with the Father from the beginning.
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Jesus was begotten in the incarnation (Luke 1:35).

If He is eternally begotten, then He is a God formed beside God; something that Isaiah expressly speaks against.

But if He is the same Spirit, and therefore the same Person, as the Father, then He is not another God formed beside Him; He is the same God.

I believe, as I related in the OP, that Jesus ascended to exist outside of time. So, in that sense, He is indeed eternal and was with the Father from the beginning.

However, scripture is clear that He was begotten / born at the juncture of Luke 1:35.

His goings forth are also from everlasting (Micah 5:2).
 
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You say you don't believe in limited salvation.

Do you believe that everyone will be born again eventually?

Blain said:
I have been saved for almost ten years now
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What would have happened to you, eternally, if you had been run over by a bus two minutes before you got saved?
 
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evyaniy said:
from verse 3.

the simplicity that is in Messiah.

Believe in the Son and that the Father raised Him from the dead and thou shalt be saved and receive the Holy Spirit.

That's the point. The Gospel message is simple and available to everyone who believes in Him. How they choose to worship is a separate matter. What denominations would be excluded on the basis of their doctrines? Yet how many people who choose to worship there have simple faith in Him and will receive Eternal Life?

None of us have it all right. We are all flawed in our understanding and doctrines and behaviors to some degree. Some think they need to adhere to a set of sacraments or Church teachings. That does not exclude them from Salvation. Many stayed with the Church of their parents. Those Church doctrines may be greatly flawed. Those with simple faith in the Son still receive His promise of Eternal Life despite doctrinal issues in the church they attend.
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If we deny that Jesus is the great I AM, we are lost (John 8:24).

It should be clear that the great I AM is the voice in the burning bush (Exodus 3:14); even YHWH; even the Father.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
So here is what the Bible reveals:
GOD THE FATHER IS NEITHER THE SON NOR THE HOLY SPIRIT
GOD THE SON IS NEITHER THE FATHER NOR THE HOLY SPIRIT
GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NEITHER THE FATHER NOR THE SON
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Give scripture to substantiate these statements.
 
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heartwashed said:
I do not teach that you cannot be saved by simply calling on the name of the Lord (Romans 10:13).

But I have a question for you.

How do you interpret a comparison of Acts 2:39 and Romans 8:30?

However, this is getting into a different topic than is the subject of this thread.
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CS1 said:
YOU answer mind first :

"I ask you point blank I was baptized not in the name of Jesus only. Is my baptism valid, and am I not saved because I have not done so?"

Answer that.

Then I will be happy to answer your question
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I answered your question; now you answer mine.
 
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heartwashed said:
You say you don't believe in limited salvation.

Do you believe that everyone will be born again eventually?



What would have happened to you, eternally, if you had been run over by a bus two minutes before you got saved?
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No not everyone will be saved that isn't limited salvation because the gift of salvation was freely offered.

And what exactly is your point about that second part that I would have gone to hell because yes I would have.

And like I said hell doesn't sacre me it makes me scared for the lost, if you experienced the actual reality of that place you would have a desperate longing to have him just snatch everyone and wrap them safely in his arms.

People have no idea where they are heading not even the most horrific horror movie you can imagine explains it.

You don't understand the actual cost, if you did your predestination doctrine would be the last thing you believe you have to believe that his grace is sufficent and that he died for all to come to salvation otherwise the reality of that place will forever haunt your heart.
 
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heartwashed said:
If we deny that Jesus is the great I AM, we are lost (John 8:24).

It should be clear that the great I AM is the voice in the burning bush (Exodus 3:14); even YHWH; even the Father.
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Yet as the Son He prayed to the Father constantly. He worshipped the Father. He accomplished the Father's will and continues to do so. He is YAH with us and will lead the praise of the Father in the great congregation with the Holy Spirit in His believers. He will execute His Father's judgment on the nations and those who reject His Salvation. He is the Word, the express Image of YAH as Hebrews tells us. He is at the right hand of the Father and the midst of the throne. He has been given all authority because of His willing sacrifice to save us in obedience to the Father. He is still obedient to the Father in all things.
 
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The heresies espoused here were refuted as far back as, in the first century.
This thread is what happens when people forget their heritage. Egalitarianism is not biblical, it is an enlightenment era error.
The church elders of old gave us the 3 ecumenical creeds which describe, as best as possible with human words, the Trinity.

 
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The Father's Name YAHAVAH means Eternal Word. YAH means Eternal and to Be. VAH means authoritative Command or Word. Even His Name points to the Son through Whom He spoke the cosmos into existence.
 
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Blain said:
No not everyone will be saved that isn't limited salvation because the gift of salvation was freely offered.

And what exactly is your point about that second part that I would have gone to hell because yes I would have.

And like I said hell doesn't sacre me it makes me scared for the lost, if you experienced the actual reality of that place you would have a desperate longing to have him just snatch everyone and wrap them safely in his arms.

People have no idea where they are heading not even the most horrific horror movie you can imagine explains it.
You don't understand the actual cost, if you did your predestination doctrine would be the last thing you believe you have to believe that his grace is sufficent and that he died for all to come to salvation otherwise the reality of that place will forever haunt your heart.
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I believe in predestination only as the Bible speaks of that word and teaches on the matter; and am no Calvinist.
 
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evyaniy said:
Yet as the Son He prayed to the Father constantly. He worshipped the Father. He accomplished the Father's will and continues to do so. He is YAH with us and will lead the praise of the Father in the great congregation with the Holy Spirit in His believers. He will execute His Father's judgment on the nations and those who reject His Salvation. He is the Word, the express Image of YAH as Hebrews tells us. He is at the right hand of the Father and the midst of the throne. He has been given all authority because of His willing sacrifice to save us in obedience to the Father. He is still obedient to the Father in all things.
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He is also sitting on the throne of the Father (Revelation 3:21).
 
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Locoponydirtman said:
The heresies espoused here were refuted as far back as, in the first century.
This thread is what happens when people forget their heritage. Egalitarianism is not biblical, it is an enlightenment era error.
The church elders of old gave us the 3 ecumenical creeds which describe, as best as possible with human words, the Trinity.

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My doctrine is in full agreement with the creeds except where the creeds contradict biblical teaching.

Which is, that they say that Jesus was uncreated; and the Bible teaches that He "was made of the seed of David according to the flesh" (Romans 1:3).

The creeds state that He was eternally begotten; the Bible teaches that He was begotten in the incarnation (Luke 1:35).

In every other doctrine of the creeds, my doctrine is in full agreement.
 
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heartwashed said:
He is also sitting on the throne of the Father (Revelation 3:21).
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To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with Me in My throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with My Father in His throne.
 
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what is your understanding of Rev 21:3

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the Tabernacle of YAH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and YAH Himself shall be with them, and be their Elohim.
 
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heartwashed said:
My doctrine is in full agreement with the creeds except where the creeds contradict biblical teaching.

Which is, that they say that Jesus was uncreated; and the Bible teaches that He "was made of the seed of David according to the flesh" (Romans 1:3).

The creeds state that He was eternally begotten; the Bible teaches that He was begotten in the incarnation (Luke 1:35).

In every other doctrine of the creeds, my doctrine is in full agreement.
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No, "your doctrine" violates every facet of the ecumenical creeds and you do not understand the creeds. If you did, you wouldnt be trying to make a doctrine of your own.
Enlightenment egalitarianism at its worst.
 
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