problem related to praying in tongues
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Gift of salvation isn't in the same category as sign and ministry gifts.. but of course that remains.T
Faith of course remains.. because looking at 1 co 13.. faith hope and love supersede all other gifts. And they ARE gifts of the Holy Spirit.. because God supernaturally empowers them for a believer.
Gift of righteousness.. same category as salvation.. it isn't in the same department as it were with sign and ministry gifts.
Fruits of the Holy Spirit.. of course in operation now.. but again in a different category to sign and ministry gifts.
Ministry gifts-- I believe have fulfilled their purpose and the tools to use them put down. The apostles who carried them are no more and we have scripture to guide us. In saying this.. I don't have any issue with people into ministry gifts.. because there is not much difference between being talented in a ministry and have the gift of the Holy Spirit.
The thing is.. if 'that which is perfect' or 'the perfect thing' in 1 Corinthians 13 is the completion of the canon-- then that settles the matter. I see it as this.. because when you put the second coming of Christ in there as the perfect thing.. it doesn't follow the context of sign gifts being in part and then completed.
Whatever is in part .. is completed with the perfect thing. They are the same thing. Jesus' second coming is different to the sign gifts. The perfect completes what is in part.. and what is in part is the sign gifts. There is more to this also.. but the next thing...
1 co 13 on it's own is not enough to show the temporary nature of the sign and ministry gifts. So, another part of this is looking chronologically at the letters to the churches from Paul.. and see how the mention of the gifts gets less and less. Added to this is the fact that Paul did not mention using the gift of miracles or helps etc.. when writing about healing the sick.
From newest to oldest:
1 Peter only mentions speaking and serving.
Ephesians 4 has ministry gifts but no sign gifts mentioned
Romans has prophecy mentioned plus other ministry gifts but no tongues mentioned.
1 Corinthians has them all.. but they decrease in mention as the book goes on from chapter 12-13.
There is a lot more to this also.. but I will stop here for now.
The main thing being: God's power is much more than the sign and ministry gifts.
Faith of course remains.. because looking at 1 co 13.. faith hope and love supersede all other gifts. And they ARE gifts of the Holy Spirit.. because God supernaturally empowers them for a believer.
Gift of righteousness.. same category as salvation.. it isn't in the same department as it were with sign and ministry gifts.
Fruits of the Holy Spirit.. of course in operation now.. but again in a different category to sign and ministry gifts.
Ministry gifts-- I believe have fulfilled their purpose and the tools to use them put down. The apostles who carried them are no more and we have scripture to guide us. In saying this.. I don't have any issue with people into ministry gifts.. because there is not much difference between being talented in a ministry and have the gift of the Holy Spirit.
The thing is.. if 'that which is perfect' or 'the perfect thing' in 1 Corinthians 13 is the completion of the canon-- then that settles the matter. I see it as this.. because when you put the second coming of Christ in there as the perfect thing.. it doesn't follow the context of sign gifts being in part and then completed.
Whatever is in part .. is completed with the perfect thing. They are the same thing. Jesus' second coming is different to the sign gifts. The perfect completes what is in part.. and what is in part is the sign gifts. There is more to this also.. but the next thing...
1 co 13 on it's own is not enough to show the temporary nature of the sign and ministry gifts. So, another part of this is looking chronologically at the letters to the churches from Paul.. and see how the mention of the gifts gets less and less. Added to this is the fact that Paul did not mention using the gift of miracles or helps etc.. when writing about healing the sick.
From newest to oldest:
1 Peter only mentions speaking and serving.
Ephesians 4 has ministry gifts but no sign gifts mentioned
Romans has prophecy mentioned plus other ministry gifts but no tongues mentioned.
1 Corinthians has them all.. but they decrease in mention as the book goes on from chapter 12-13.
There is a lot more to this also.. but I will stop here for now.
The main thing being: God's power is much more than the sign and ministry gifts.
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So what?
Who cares?
Peter did not lay hands on the Gentiles, who Spoke in Tongues, while he was just Preaching the Gospel in Acts Chapter 10.
Whether you lay hands on someone when you Pray, or not, is not a Method required to do anything but being a COMPASSIONATE HUMAN BEING who loves the person enough they're Praying with to gently place their hand on them while they Pray for them...
Some of these simplistic things that have you become so Entrapped over because this person or group of people do this and I don't want to or believe the same way and now it's my burden because...what...they won't listen to you?
Let it Go!
Give it to God!
Breathe My Brother!
Deep Slow Inhale.
Don't forget to Exhale now.
Repeat the process over and over and over
Who cares?
Peter did not lay hands on the Gentiles, who Spoke in Tongues, while he was just Preaching the Gospel in Acts Chapter 10.
Whether you lay hands on someone when you Pray, or not, is not a Method required to do anything but being a COMPASSIONATE HUMAN BEING who loves the person enough they're Praying with to gently place their hand on them while they Pray for them...
Some of these simplistic things that have you become so Entrapped over because this person or group of people do this and I don't want to or believe the same way and now it's my burden because...what...they won't listen to you?
Let it Go!
Give it to God!
Breathe My Brother!
Deep Slow Inhale.
Don't forget to Exhale now.
Repeat the process over and over and over
1Co 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
1Co 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
1Co 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
1Co 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
I wasn't angry at all. I have no idea why you took it that way. I was asking a legitimate question.
I came to this forums when the one I have always used was temporarily shut down. After seeing all the apostasy and the un-biblical thoughts and ideas here, it saddens me. My normal forums is back up now, and it is sound in
Biblical Truths and is scripturally sound, unlike here. I am returning home. I have no heart to argue with people who have their own take on the Bible instead of being taught by the Holy Spirit. I will pray for everybody on this site.
I came to this forums when the one I have always used was temporarily shut down. After seeing all the apostasy and the un-biblical thoughts and ideas here, it saddens me. My normal forums is back up now, and it is sound in
Biblical Truths and is scripturally sound, unlike here. I am returning home. I have no heart to argue with people who have their own take on the Bible instead of being taught by the Holy Spirit. I will pray for everybody on this site.
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