problem related to praying in tongues

[The_Watchers_2017]

You can feel the stirring.

When someone see's someone suffering and in need and suddenly you FEEL [from God] you should give money, buy food, offer help.

When someone is in Church and not Saved when God begins dealing with them and they FEEL [from God] they need to Submit themselves unto Him so they run to the Altar and Pray receiving God into them.

When I am praying and suddenly Tongues happens, I FELT [from God] a stirring inside me before those words I know not what I Speak happens.


Discernment is also the similar.
Someone lies to you, but you don't know anything about the story they're telling you to know if they're lying or being truthful. But you have this FEELING [from God] they are lying. Then later on you learn they WERE indeed lying.

Discernment also works other ways for me, but I can always FEEL [from God] first before doing anything towards the issue/problem.

God is rather consistent in how He communicates to us.

That STILL SMALL VOICE is also a FEELING [from God] we get that can be Applied to every Example ^ I just mentioned and more.

 

[Beckie]

@Beckie So it's Biblically sound to speak in tongues? Please excuse my ignorance in this matter.

I do not believe you are ignorant in this matter not one bit
I have seen way too much abuse of what we call tongues. Acts 2 : 4 is pushed over and over yet where is Acts 2: 3? My most honest answer to your question is I do not know. I have a family of God loving Bible reading Pentecostals a few generations deep. Also know tongues is way to far pushed . THe AofG pushes it to the point they make it unnatural. ( i say AofG because that is what i know) To me if it is from God the push would not be necessary. In Acts Peter was not pushed to by group members to preach to the crowd . His words flowed from God. And they heard in their own language! Praise God.
Growing up a Pentecostal (PK) tongues was a normal part of life. Habit ? i really dont know .Should the practice go the way of snake handlers , i dont know. I looked up a few things when i first got my computer one was 'heavenly language' could not find it. Much understanding change from my first 35-40 years to the last 35 . Seeing so much fakery growning up like good ol A.A. Allen. Watching the tongue talkers on TV pressuring viewers for money... Knowing my Grandmother saw the 'Back' Tent at one of the faith healers meettings. Other Grandma would often say so & so is not saved they do not have tongues. God tells us clearly other gifts are more important 1 Corinthians .
I know longer speak in tongues but for my family i Hold to this 'cherry picked' verse 1Co_14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

 

[Beckie]

A few things ignored by the charismatic folks is. When Philip baptized the ethiopean he did not (at least according to what os written ) lay hands on him to convey the Holy Spirit. He taught the gospel and then obviously also about baptism and then, God carried him away.
Like wise when he was preaching in Samaria preaching he did many healings and casting out demons and baptizing folks. It wasnt until Peter and John heard and came there.

Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (for as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Acts 8:14‭-‬17 KJV

And Philip goes on and preaches the gospel in many cities, but you never hear of him passing on the Holy Ghost, by laying on hands. It seems to be done only by apostles.

In the letters to Corinth you find Paul writting correction because they are doing things disorderly among those things Paul has to correct their abuse of speaking in tongues. Where hes says let only onenor two speak in tongues in the assembly and only of there is a translator, other than that keep it to yourself. He even says prefer that you prophecy but ends up saying these will pass away in chapter 13. Which is an interesting read.

Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
I Corinthians 13:8‭, ‬10 NKJV

Then Paul speak maturing in an interesting way

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
I Corinthians 13:11‭-‬12

But the last part is the most interesting.

And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
I Corinthians 13:13 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/1co.13.13.NKJV

From my study and what i have witnesses. I am convinced that its not a matter of cessation but of two other issues; one that the pentecostal folks do not understand the gifts and are not performing the gifts as described in the book of Acts. And two the sign gifts are rare due to the maturity of the church. By that I dont mean each individual of the church but in the knowledge and wisdom that is with in the church mostly due to the completion of scripture.

Well said

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

A few things ignored by the charismatic folks is. When Philip baptized the ethiopean he did not (at least according to what os written ) lay hands on him to convey the Holy Spirit. He taught the gospel and then obviously also about baptism and then, God carried him away.
Like wise when he was preaching in Samaria preaching he did many healings and casting out demons and baptizing folks. It wasnt until Peter and John heard and came there.

So what?
Who cares?

Peter did not lay hands on the Gentiles, who Spoke in Tongues, while he was just Preaching the Gospel in Acts Chapter 10.

Whether you lay hands on someone when you Pray, or not, is not a Method required to do anything but being a COMPASSIONATE HUMAN BEING who loves the person enough they're Praying with to gently place their hand on them while they Pray for them...

Some of these simplistic things that have you become so Entrapped over because this person or group of people do this and I don't want to or believe the same way and now it's my burden because...what...they won't listen to you?

Let it Go!
Give it to God!
Breathe My Brother!
Deep Slow Inhale.
Don't forget to Exhale now.
Repeat the process over and over and over

 

[ResidentAlien]

So it's Biblically sound to speak in tongues? Please excuse my ignorance in this matter.

Tongues was for a specific time and place as were other miraculous signs. The problems start when people confuse things in scripture that are descriptive with those that are prescriptive. Signs and wonders aren't the norm; that has never been the way God operates. He gives people miraculous powers for various reasons and for a limited time.

Unfortunately, what we have now are people practicing ecstatic utterances and twisting scriptures to make it Biblical. But the kind of tongues as practiced today isn't Biblical, no. Ecstatic utterance is something that has always been found in pagan cultures. That's where it comes from and that's what it is.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Tongues was for a specific time and place as were other miraculous signs. The problems start when people confuse things in scripture that are descriptive with those that are prescriptive. Signs and wonders aren't the norm; that has never been the way God operates. He gives people miraculous powers for various reasons and for a limited time.

Unfortunately, what we have now are people practicing ecstatic utterances and twisting scriptures to make it Biblical. But the kind of tongues as practiced today isn't Biblical, no. Ecstatic utterance, as it's practiced in the body of Christ today, is something that has always been found in pagan cultures. That's where it comes from and that's what it is.

Let's say you are correct?

What event took place for Tongues to have Ceased?

I guess by the act of disbelief, Paul, did say when Tongues Ceased, so did Intelligence.

How do you know if your thoughts are even Intelligent to disagree with Tongues being for Today, since Knowledge, has long left us 2,000 years ago?

 

[wolfwint]

It's even worse than that. FYI: You don't have to be Pentecostal OR Charismatic to speak/pray and sing in tongues.

No one should ever follow an experience. We are to follow Christ in the power of the Holy Spirit.

Well praying and singing with my voice, of course.

Here's something that needd to be corrected:
1. Putting Pentecostals & Charismatics in the same group is a judgment call. They are hardly anything alike.
2. Saying all Pentecostals & Charismatics together are the same is also a judgment call. All it takes is one person who does it right to prove it.
3. Everyone knows none of you have went to all of these churches to gather evidence.

Finding one church that does it wrong is no reason to judge them all. There's not a single denomination in the world who has all their churches doing everything right. I myself wouldn't dare speculate who is/isn't.

Which of you three have posted/believed everything "correct"? Can you prove it?

As you judge them, you yourselves will be judged as you judged. I would suggest repentance on this matter. I'm not mad at anyone, to me there's no way these statements can be biblically true.

Matt 7:1“Do not judge, or you will be judged. 2For with the same judgment you pronounce, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ while there is still a beam in your own eye? 5You hypocrite! First take the beam out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Luke 6:37“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;

Well, I know that there are huge differences between even only pentecostals and for shure in compare with charismatic teachings.
But what is common is the teaching about the gift of speaking in tongues. All these groups emphesises, that this gift is coming as sign, that someone is baptised with the Holy Spirit. All people I met in my life from pentecostal or charismatic background, told me that I miss something, if I have not the gift of speaking in tounges and the baptising with the Holy Spirit.
And in opposit to the scripture, they claim that all believers can have this gift.

I agree with you that there is no Single church on this world which is 100% right there teaching. But many believe they are.

I dont judge anybody. I just try compare the man made teachings with that what the bible teaches. There is nothing wrong what that. If you can proof me from the bible that speaking in tongues is for all believers. I am ready to change my mind.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

One of the Biggest Arguments CESSATIONIST used was in the 7 Year Tribulation the Holy Spirit would be ABSENT.

But knowing the 144k will be holding Revival and Rev Chapter 7 tells us a GREAT MULTITUDE will be Saved from EVERY land, nation tongue, creed. These 144k will be HOLDING REVIVAL when we read in Rev Chapters 16-18 all these Evils being unleashed on Earth killing 1/3 and men Refusing to ask for Forgiveness but Scream Out to God "KILL US!""

Who is protecting the 144k, the 2 Witnesses, the Great Multitudes in these final days Revivals?

THE HOLY SPIRIT is WHO is Protecting them.

If Cessasionists can't even get it Correct about the Holy Spirit not being here during the Tribulation, why would I think you got a Clue about Tongues have Ceased for Today?

 

[Locoponydirtman]

So what?
Who cares

I think we should all care about the events as they occured or as described in scripture.

Peter did not lay hands on the Gentiles, who Spoke in Tongues, while he was just Preaching the Gospel in Acts Chapter 10.

This is a good point. Which makes it one of the two times recorded that the Holy Spirit was not convey by laying on of hands.

Some of these simplistic things that have you become so Entrapped over because this person or group of people do this and I don't want to or believe the same way and now it's my burden because...what...they won't listen to you?

I have no idea what your point of saying this is, other than an attempt to be provocative. Are you accusing me of something?
You are aware this is a forum where people discuss and debate their ideas and understandings....correct?

Let it Go!
Give it to God!
Breathe My Brother!
Deep Slow Inhale.
Don't forget to Exhale now.
Repeat the process over and over and over

Ill dismiss this as a glib misunderstanding

 

[Locoponydirtman]

One of the Biggest Arguments CESSATIONIST used was in the 7 Year Tribulation the Holy Spirit would be ABSENT.

But knowing the 144k will be holding Revival and Rev Chapter 7 tells us a GREAT MULTITUDE will be Saved from EVERY land, nation tongue, creed. These 144k will be HOLDING REVIVAL when we read in Rev Chapters 16-18 all these Evils being unleashed on Earth killing 1/3 and men Refusing to ask for Forgiveness but Scream Out to God "KILL US!""

Who is protecting the 144k, the 2 Witnesses, the Great Multitudes in these final days Revivals?

THE HOLY SPIRIT is WHO is Protecting them.

If Cessasionists can't even get it Correct about the Holy Spirit not being here during the Tribulation, why would I think you got a Clue about Tongues have Ceased for Today?

What about cessationist who arent dispensationalists.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I think we should all care about the events as they occured or as described in scripture.

let's use the Laying on of hands vs Calvinism for moment here to make a clear example:

We can find many places where they did lay hands on people and it tells us that in the Bible itself. But it is not a Demand.

Making it a Demand, which is not Biblical, is no different than taking a Verse from it's original place in Scripture where it has a specific Meaning, and removing it to create a False Doctrine like God is Forcing people to be Saved or Go to Hell!

it's idiotic at best!

 

[Locoponydirtman]

let's use the Laying on of hands vs Calvinism for moment here to make a clear example:

We can find many places where they did lay hands on people and it tells us that in the Bible itself. But it is not a Demand.

Making it a Demand, which is not Biblical, is no different than taking a Verse from it's original place in Scripture where it has a specific Meaning, and removing it to create a False Doctrine like God is Forcing people to be Saved or Go to Hell!

it's idiotic at best!

What I said was, that we should care about the events that occured as they are described in the Bible.

 

[wolfwint]

One of the Biggest Arguments CESSATIONIST used was in the 7 Year Tribulation the Holy Spirit would be ABSENT.

But knowing the 144k will be holding Revival and Rev Chapter 7 tells us a GREAT MULTITUDE will be Saved from EVERY land, nation tongue, creed. These 144k will be HOLDING REVIVAL when we read in Rev Chapters 16-18 all these Evils being unleashed on Earth killing 1/3 and men Refusing to ask for Forgiveness but Scream Out to God "KILL US!""

Who is protecting the 144k, the 2 Witnesses, the Great Multitudes in these final days Revivals?

THE HOLY SPIRIT is WHO is Protecting them.

If Cessasionists can't even get it Correct about the Holy Spirit not being here during the Tribulation, why would I think you got a Clue about Tongues have Ceased for Today?

Who are the 144k?

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Here is a good question.
In Acts chapter 8 (I think) you find Philip has preached and baptized some Samarians, including a man called Simon, who followed Philip. Simon witnessed Peter and John laying hands on the other disciples of Philip. Though he was one of the followers of Philip he wasnt one of the ones who Peter and John laid hands on, in so much as he later asked to purchase the gift. Why would he do that if they were laying hands on all the folks who were baptized by Philip and were following him?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Well, I know that there are huge differences between even only pentecostals and for shure in compare with charismatic teachings.
But what is common is the teaching about the gift of speaking in tongues. All these groups emphesises, that this gift is coming as sign, that someone is baptised with the Holy Spirit. All people I met in my life from pentecostal or charismatic background, told me that I miss something, if I have not the gift of speaking in tounges and the baptising with the Holy Spirit.
And in opposit to the scripture, they claim that all believers can have this gift.

I agree with you that there is no Single church on this world which is 100% right there teaching. But many believe they are.

I dont judge anybody. I just try compare the man made teachings with that what the bible teaches. There is nothing wrong what that. If you can proof me from the bible that speaking in tongues is for all believers. I am ready to change my mind.

A lot of Truth here ^


I grew up Baptist because it was how my Mother was raised and about 9 we moved out of State and located but began attending my Grandfather [Dad's side] Church he Pastored, which was one of the very first Independent Pentecostal Churches that broke away from the core thinking and idealism's that had generated since the early 1900's. And looking back then having 2 Views, it had to be real because we didn't believe Tongues was Current for that Day. I think it helps me explain things now. as a Baptist, we did not believe God gave us certain Feelings in how He was trying to Communicate with us better. as a Pentecostal Baptist, this is what I've Learned:

When someone see's someone suffering and in need and suddenly you FEEL [from God] you should give money, buy food, offer help.

When someone is in Church and not Saved when God begins dealing with them and they FEEL [from God] they need to Submit themselves unto Him so they run to the Altar and Pray receiving God into them.

When I am praying and suddenly Tongues happens, I FELT [from God] a stirring inside me before those words I know not what I Speak happens.


Discernment is also similar.
Someone lies to you, but you don't know anything about the story they're telling you to know if they're lying or being truthful. But you have this FEELING [from God] they are lying. Then later on you learn they WERE indeed lying.

Discernment also works other ways for me, but I can always FEEL [from God] first before doing anything towards the issue/problem.

God is rather consistent in how He communicates to us.

That STILL SMALL VOICE is also a FEELING [from God] we get that can be Applied to every Example ^ I just mentioned and more.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Who are the 144k?

12,000 male virgins from each Tribe of Israel totaling 144,000 [144k]

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Here is a good question.
In Acts chapter 8 (I think) you find Philip has preached and baptized some Samarians, including a man called Simon, who followed Philip. Simon witnessed Peter and John laying hands on the other disciples of Philip. Though he was one of the followers of Philip he wasnt one of the ones who Peter and John laid hands on, in so much as he later asked to purchase the gift. Why would he do that if they were laying hands on all the folks who were baptized by Philip and were following him?

He was [not] in position in his heart to have that infilling of God yet. He still thought he could buy it. So he wasn't understanding what was really happening. The fact he did ask shows he is Seeking. I imagine, unless it specifies otherwise, he most likely was filled with the Holy Spirit.

 

[VARob]

Again you are adding what you say to the Scriptures not a good idea.
Get a rest and find the Scripture that says he stopped speaking in tongues there is Acts 2. That will take some real time.

A man hears reads what he wants to read hear and disregards the rest. ...Paul Simon

So, apparently, do women.

1 Cor 14:2 says that when a person speaks in tongues they are speaking to God, and they do not understand what they are saying (1 Cor 14:2, 14). In Acts 2:14ff, Peter was speaking to people. He was no longer speaking in tongues to God, he was speaking in his known language to people, telling them the gospel. He knew and understood exactly what he was saying.

I'm not going to discuss it further. It seems that most people here have their minds made up, and will not see it any other way. So be it.

1 Cor 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

 

[VARob]

If you are so sure of your position it should stand the test of scrutiny.

It absolutely does. God bless.

 

[Beckie]

So, apparently, do women.

1 Cor 14:2 says that when a person speaks in tongues they are speaking to God, and they do not understand what they are saying (1 Cor 14:2, 14). In Acts 2:14ff, Peter was speaking to people. He was no longer speaking in tongues to God, he was speaking in his known language to people, telling them the gospel. He knew and understood exactly what he was saying.

I'm not going to discuss it further. It seems that most people here have their minds made up, and will not see it any other way. So be it.

1 Cor 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

Always the style of reply when the Scripture cant be found.