Angels can procreate

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Mem

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Do you think we'll have to poop in heaven, or mebbe we'll just have sparkly farts?
 
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JohnB said:
Just because there is no marriage in heaven, does not mean there is no sex. People on earth who are not married have sex. Your sex parts work outside of marriage.
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So what you are saying through all of these posts and threads is that you believe God will allow some form of unmarried sex in heaven?

Sure, unmarried people here on earth have sex, and the sex parts absolutely work outside of marriage.

We can do all kinds of things outside of what the Bible tells us with our bodies.

But God says that when people are doing these things (like having sex with, yes, parts that work, but outside of marriage,) they are doing so to their own damnation.

How can you say that something damnable on earth (sex without marriage) would be allowed in heaven, the holiest of places?
 
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Mem said:
Do you think we'll have to poop in heaven, or mebbe we'll just have sparkly farts?
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I have always wondered about this as well.

My Dad has always said he doesn't care if his job is to clean toilets in heaven, just as long as he gets there.

When Adam and Eve were first created (before the entrance of sin,) it was in a garden.

And we all know they were told they could EAT from any tree except for one.

So I've always wondered...

Adam and Eve obviously ate. So how did that work, exactly?

Did human plumbing work similarly before and after the fall? Did God create sinless outhouses for them, or equip them with little shovels? Or was there somehow only consumption with no by-products as we know them today? And what about the animals?

It's just one of the many, many things on my list of questions when I get there someday.
 
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seoulsearch said:
Yes, I understand.

And I've seen it interpreted that angels had sex with human women and produced "giants." But even so, and even if disobedient angels were trying to create their own version of a super being (heavenly/human offspring,) it wasn't sanctioned by God.

Rather, what I'm saying is that even if something has full sex organs, whether a human or an angel in human form, it doesn't automatically mean that God is giving them the thumbs up to having sex and/or procreating. John's post seems to indicate that if something has the organs, they should be using them. But God says hold on a minute, there's a guideline I want you to follow.

Which is of course why God tells us sex is reserved for marriage.

Just because you have the tools, it doesn't mean you automatically get to plant a garden.

Whether human or angel in human form, God might still be telling that person/being to hold back on any such activity, even if they have the tool boxes.
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That is how I see it also in that they left their first estate and went after strange flesh(They were not suppose to)... https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Jude-1-6/
 
Mem

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seoulsearch said:
I have always wondered about this as well.

My Dad has always said he doesn't care if his job is to clean toilets in heaven, just as long as he gets there.

When Adam and Eve were first created (before the entrance of sin,) it was in a garden.

And we all know they were told they could EAT from any tree except for one.

So I've always wondered...

Adam and Eve obviously ate. So how did that work, exactly?

Did human plumbing work similarly before and after the fall? Did God create sinless outhouses for them, or equip them with little shovels? Or was there somehow only consumption with no by-products as we know them today? And what about the animals?

It's just one of the many, many things on my list of questions when I get there someday.
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I wonder if the fall somehow affected our plumbing, among many other things, and caused it to be backed up instead of functioning in perfect order according to its original design. And perhaps that we are instructed on the merits of fasting might somehow be related in significance.
 
Mem

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The point of my aside is that all human functions are practical whether they are more or less ideal than sex. And I can't see the practicality or purpose of reproducing in regard to angels.
Did Gabriel have to find a angel babysitter before he embarked on his missions?
 
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iamsoandso said:
In Genesis 2:4 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/2-4.htm the toldoth (generations) of both the heavens and the earth (not just the earth but the heavens also) the angels were created in the six days...
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I always considered heavens as the part of the material creation...the heavens and all that was in them. Either way, it doesn't explain how the angels mentioned in Genesis would know about the virgin birth ahead of time.
 
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JohnB said:
I keep hearing Christians say "There is no sex in heaven" I strongly disagree.
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We are created with a sex drive like animals to procreate, but we are also given marriage to help us control our lusts, there is no need for use or an reproductive system in heaven.

Also I presume that we agree adultery is a sin, do I form a union with my wife now again in heaven or can I choose another, or can I choose neither, considering being mated with one person for all eternity could be a long time lol.
 
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Micaiah continued, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the multitudes of heaven standing around him on his right and on his left. And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’
“One suggested this, and another that. Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’
“ ‘By what means?’ the Lord asked.
“ ‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.
“ ‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’

1 Kings 22:20-22
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Wait, are you suggesting God not only wanted angels to mate with females He called for volunteers and sent them to go forth and multiply?
 
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Cameron143 said:
I'm sure you are trying to make a point but I'm not seeing it. If you can just make it in your own words--preferably small ones--it would prove helpful to me.
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The events of Genesis 3 took place over a thousand years before Moses wrote them down in Genesis, God told the Serpent about the seed of the woman(Jesus) to his face.
 
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iamsoandso said:
The events of Genesis 3 took place over a thousand years before Moses wrote them down in Genesis, God told the Serpent about the seed of the woman(Jesus) to his face.
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Sure. But it was never revealed as Jesus nor was it revealed how it would transpire. Corrupting mankind, even if possible, would never have corrupted the seed of the woman because it was of God, not man.
 
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Wait, are you suggesting God not only wanted angels to mate with females He called for volunteers and sent them to go forth and multiply?
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If you don't want sex in heaven you can join the eunuchs club in heaven.
 
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Clayman said:
We are created with a sex drive like animals to procreate, but we are also given marriage to help us control our lusts, there is no need for use or an reproductive system in heaven.

Also I presume that we agree adultery is a sin, do I form a union with my wife now again in heaven or can I choose another, or can I choose neither, considering being mated with one person for all eternity could be a long time lol.
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She's NOT your wife in heaven.
 
Cameron143

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iamsoandso said:
The events of Genesis 3 took place over a thousand years before Moses wrote them down in Genesis, God told the Serpent about the seed of the woman(Jesus) to his face.
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And back to my original point, there are no scriptures which allow for the ability of angels to procreate with humans.
 
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