problem related to praying in tongues

[Beckie]

Getting someone to rise and walk can easily be faked too. A "healer" can do things to temporarily relieve someone's pain and they may get up out of a wheelchair or throw away their crutches. But the real test is whether a person was actually healed or simply had a placebo effect. The history of faith healing is loaded with people who thought they were healed; were told they were healed; but weren't really healed. When you study so-called faith healers, what you see is they stay away from people who have serious problems; and when they do actually try to heal someone with an incurable disease they aren't able to heal them.

William Branham was a popular faith healer from the '50s and '60s. He was famous for his healing revivals in which he would supposedly heal people and tell them they were healed, they just had to believe. By the time they realized they weren't really healed, many died and Branham was long gone. This became such a scandal Branham had to start holding his revivals in foreign countries where he wasn't known.

Scandals like these follow most of the so-called miracle workers. There are a million tricks they use. The real miracle is how they can still get people to believe in them.

He used his tongues to lie to them.

Jas_3:8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

 

[Cameron143]

Repeating what they don't fully understand because if it's Godly, everyone will benefit, once it becomes knowledge unto them.

Look at Explaining the Trinity for example. Not a single 1 Example actually makes Sense. but we know what we read so we make these concoctions works in our Favor, even if we are so wrong it could be harming us..

The inherent problem now is how do we empty ourselves of all that we have accumulated and look at the Bible through fresh lenses?
Thank goodness for times of refreshing and revelation.

 

[hornetguy]

If a person does not choose to speak in tongues, it will not happen.


So you think it will just "happen"? If you don't choose to do it, and the Spirit does not possess you or make you or cause you to do it, how does it just "happen"?


People speak in tongues according to their free will. If that was not the case, then Paul giving instruction on how it is to be done would be moot.


The Spirit has already chosen that Christians are to do it.

Look... I've told you my belief on this topic, and you want to argue every point until I believe exactly the way you do... and it is not going to happen. I disagree with most of your "premise's" but your mind is made up, and differing beliefs, supported by scripture will not change your mind.
So, I will not discuss it with you any further. Believe as you will.... I will believe scripture.

 

[CS1]

What if the person is neither unwilling, or actively seeking... and the Spirit decides they should speak in tongues? We could play "what if" all day long...
It is my belief that not every believer CAN speak in tongues.... only if the Spirit gives them that gift. I completely disagree with the assertion that all "true believers" WILL speak tongues. It's totally up to what the Spirit deems necessary. And THAT, my brother, is purely scriptural.

I disagree. The Holy Can be grieved, and quenched, the word of God says. SO if a person is unwilling, they will never do it even if the Holy Spirit is wooing them to do so. Disobedience is, and action men and women are allowed to do.

Sad as it is the Holy Spirit will not make an unwilling person obey.

People: lie to the Holy Spirit Acts 5:3


People: can grieve the Holy Spirit Eph 4:30
People: can Quench the Holy Spirit 1 Thessalonians 5:19


The truth is we cannot play this all day because the word of God tells us what man does and can do to the Holy Spirit

The Holy Spirit doesn't make people speak in tongues. He gives them the ability to do so, but the person must speak. As it is with all gifts of the Holy Spirit. It is an act of faith.

 

[VARob]

Look... I've told you my belief on this topic, and you want to argue every point until I believe exactly the way you do...

No, I'm just curious how you think tongues will spontaneously happen. If you don't want to answer, ok..

and it is not going to happen. I disagree with most of your "premise's" but your mind is made up, and differing beliefs, supported by scripture will not change your mind.

Nor, it seems, will yours be changed.

So, I will not discuss it with you any further. Believe as you will.... I will believe scripture.

So will I. Later.

 

[CS1]

Not even. Modern tongues are NOT biblical tongues.

the term " Modern Tongues " is nowhere in the Bible, that is a secular humanism term. I'm shocked you have not invoked a linguist LOL.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

All that means is now you're going to destroy every Verse that comes against your ideas and support every Verse that promotes your View.

Yup - that's the way the "Theology Game" is played.

Ain't NONE of it Godly!!

Well - SOMETIMES it results in truth, and sometimes it's only error.

Bottom line: READ THE BIBLE, and ask God for wisdom - WHICH He will give you freely - as long as you ask singlemindedly (James 1:5-8).

 

[Beckie]

No, I'm just curious how you think tongues will spontaneously happen. If you don't want to answer, ok..


Nor, it seems, will yours be changed.


So will I. Later.

I have heard testimonies' as to tongues just happening... all to easy to fake

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

The inherent problem now is how do we empty ourselves of all that we have accumulated and look at the Bible through fresh lenses?
Thank goodness for times of refreshing and revelation.

I think when we start becoming honest to ourselves about the doctrinal differences are so off base and random that hey, it's not just this ONE Group at fault, but WE ALL are at Fault, we do begin to wash the Traditional Teaching and begin seeking God for our own understanding. And when God becomes the Teacher, we quickly become aware of how to notice God's Teaching from man's and I think You and Myself are at that point where we read a Scripture looking for God to reveal something beyond the man made doctrine we are accustomed to. We no longer have time to decipher through the deceptions of why I should be believing this tradition because we understand it's base is false to begin with.

 

[hornetguy]

No, I'm just curious how you think tongues will spontaneously happen. If you don't want to answer, ok..

I did answer you... here it is again....

just FYI.... the definition of "spontaneous".... " naturally, without premeditation, prompting, or planning: "

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Yup - that's the way the "Theology Game" is played.



Well - SOMETIMES it results in truth, and sometimes it's only error.

Bottom line: READ THE BIBLE, and ask God for wisdom - WHICH He will give you freely - as long as you ask singlemindedly (James 1:5-8).

Amen!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I thank God for my 9 years raised Baptist, next 9 Pentecostal, then at some point all idealism's together just entrapped me. Next thing years fly by, you aren't even trying to Walk with God. and finally it crashes as you are rolling off the bodies of strangers you are partying with because silly people think mean people are cool when you don't know Jesus. and people who do know Jesus but are running from Him, are indeed, Mean People. They are miserably mean!

The moment I was able to throw away Both Traditional Teachings, i felt the Breathe of Fresh New Life. I would encourage anyone who has questions why are they going to this Church or Denomination. Step Away. Get All Alone. Forget about what all the Pastors and Preachers and Teachers, and Evangelists taught you. Open Your Bible. Say to yourself, if the way I thought this Passage of Scripture is WRONG, God, show me how YOU want me to understand this. Denominational Doctrines are killing the Body of Christ!

 

[Beckie]

I thank God for my 9 years raised Baptist, next 9 Pentecostal, then at some point all idealism's together just entrapped me. Next thing years fly by, you aren't even trying to Walk with God. and finally it crashes as you are rolling off the bodies of strangers you are partying with because silly people think mean people are cool when you don't know Jesus. and people who do know Jesus but are running from Him, are indeed, Mean People. They are miserably mean!

The moment I was able to throw away Both Traditional Teachings, i felt the Breathe of Fresh New Life. I would encourage anyone who has questions why are they going to this Church or Denomination. Step Away. Get All Alone. Forget about what all the Pastors and Preachers and Teachers, and Evangelists taught you. Open Your Bible. Say to yourself, if the way I thought this Passage of Scripture is WRONG, God, show me how YOU want me to understand this. Denominational Doctrines are killing the Body of Christ!

That is just about exactly what i did and you and i are not in agreement on many points ..

 

[hornetguy]

I have heard testimonies' as to tongues just happening... all to easy to fake

Yes.... my belief of "spontaneous" is that if the Spirit grants you the ability to manifest, then you will simply begin speaking/praying. I do not believe it's something you "choose" to do. If it was simply a choice, why would Paul tell the believers that he wished they all could speak in tongues? Why would they not just DO it? It is something that happens IF the Spirit decides you need that gift. At least, according to scripture..... not according to some of those folks on here that "know" better than scripture.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

That is just about exactly what i did and you and i are not in agreement on many points ..

I have noticed that.

I asked God and believe it's because I left when my Parents moved so I wasn't seeking another viewpoint. But I got one. And now I am able to make a pure decision based off teachings I was forced to hear from Both Denominations.

It made me research for the Truth.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

1 Corin 14

27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.


.......and let him speak to himself, and to God.

When you Speak in Tongues in Church....and there's no interpretation.....................Paul explains WHAT you are DOING: and let him speak to himself, and to God.

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Those Tongues Spoken and not Interpreted just mean they are for the Person Speaking in Tongues and for God...No One Else...just God [this is where the Mysteries are spoken] [For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit.].....he utters mysteries with his spirit.

Paul just shows us how these Connect!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

1 Corin 14

27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.


.......and let him speak to himself, and to God.

When you Speak in Tongues in Church....and there's no interpretation.....................Paul explains WHAT you are DOING: and let him speak to himself, and to God.

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Those Tongues Spoken and not Interpreted just mean they are for the Person Speaking in Tongues and for God...No One Else...just God [this is where the Mysteries are spoken] [For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit.].....he utters mysteries with his spirit.

Paul just shows us how these Connect!

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Now that is a Picture of a Pentecostal Worship Service Paul just Explained!!!!!

 

[studentoftheword]

From the Christianity web sight -----Worth the read ----believe it or not -----your choice ------

What Is the Gift of Speaking in Tongues and Is it for Today?
What Is Speaking in Tongues?
Speaking in tongues is a form of communication to God. It is a prayer, and doing so speaks directly to God alone, according to 1 Corinthians 14:2, “For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.”

Paul further emphasized this in his letter to the Corinthians, “For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful” (1 Corinthians 14:14).


What Else Does the Bible Say about Speaking in Tongues
Aside from it being a form of prayer, speaking in tongues is also a form of praising God. It is, thereby, also a form of worship to the Almighty God.

Speaking in Tongues Is a Form of Building the Self
Aside from it being a form of prayer and praise, speaking in tongues is also a form of building oneself. It enables a person to improve oneself morally and spiritually through God, as Paul explains, “The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church” (1 Corinthians 14:4).

It is further emphasized in Jude 20: “But you, beloved, building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God.”

Speaking in Tongues Is a Form of Edification to Others
Speaking in tongues is not only building oneself but also building others. It is a way to edify and encourage others to faith.
(1 Corinthians 14:5), he emphasized that the practice of speaking in tongues is a way to build the entirety of the Church.

Speaking in Tongues Is Done in Private
When is it best to speak in tongues? Paul writes that it is best practiced in private, as he says,

“For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful” (1 Corinthians 14:14).

The Gift of Tongues Is from the Holy Spirit and Spoken Only to God
Speaking in tongues is only spoken to God. Like other gifts, speaking in tongues is a gift from the Holy Spirit. Not everyone is bestowed of this gift

Now, because speaking in tongues is a gift from the Spirit, therefore, it is only spoken to God Almighty.

I say ----------------------------Worth Repeating -------Not everyone is bestowed of this gift

Speaking in Tongues Is Not Used to Preach the Gospel
Speaking in tongues is not used to preach the gospel, according to the biblical perspective. All three accounts of the act of speaking in tongues written in the Bible showed signs of supernatural phenomena and were not made when Paul was delivering the gospel.
Acts 2----Acts 10 and Acts 19 ----------

Why Does This Matter?
In conclusion, speaking in tongues is an especially important topic that should be examined in daily Christian living by continually learning about it through God’s Word.

It has a lot of meaning and, to summarize, it is a form of prayer, a form of praise, a form of building the self, and a form of edification to others.

 

[DB]

There's only one real problem with tongues as it's practiced today. The gift of tongues is the gift of speaking in unknown human languages. People today don't speak unknown human languages but made up gibberish. No gift required, anyone can do it. It's foreign to the true gift of tongues. The fact that it's been accepted by so many, and continues, is a sad testament to the level of ignorance in the body of Christ.

I've read that some of the tongue speaking is just simply an interpretation mistake thinking unknown tongues meant gibberish. Unknown tongues should be interpreted as unknown languages. Usually the simple explanation is correct, but it's really above my pay grade.

 

[VARob]

If it was simply a choice, why would Paul tell the believers that he wished they all could speak in tongues?

Paul did not say he "wished they all could" speak in tongues,

(NIV) I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified.

(ESV) Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.

(NRSV) Now I would like all of you to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. One who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.

(ASV) Now I would have you all speak with tongues, but rather that ye should prophesy: and greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.