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You did not post what was written.
LOL I was born and raised in AofG Dad and Granddad both pastors
You did not read this in Acts 2 " Peter had stopped speaking in tongues and began speaking to them in his known language. He knew what he was saying. When a person speaks in tongues, he does not understand what he is saying: "
I ask for the verse again where it say he stopped speaking in tongues
LOL I was born and raised in AofG Dad and Granddad both pastors
You did not read this in Acts 2 " Peter had stopped speaking in tongues and began speaking to them in his known language. He knew what he was saying. When a person speaks in tongues, he does not understand what he is saying: "
I ask for the verse again where it say he stopped speaking in tongues
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If a person's native language is English, when he speaks in tongues he will not be speaking English. He will be speaking a language he does not know. He will not understand what he is saying (1 Cor 14:2). His mind is unfruitful (1 Cor 14:14). The Bible says that when a person speaks in tongues he is speaking the wonderful works of God (Acts 2:11), he is magnifying God (Acts 10:46), he is speaking "divine secrets" (1 Cor 14:2), and he is praying in the spirit (1 Cor 14:14, 15).
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Acts 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
When Peter stood up and began speaking his sermon, he spoke HIS voice, HIS words. When a person speaks in tongues he does not know what he is saying (1 Cor 14:2), his understanding is unfruitful (1 Cor 14:14). Peter knew what he was saying... He was preaching the gospel to them.
It's late here. Done for the night...
When Peter stood up and began speaking his sermon, he spoke HIS voice, HIS words. When a person speaks in tongues he does not know what he is saying (1 Cor 14:2), his understanding is unfruitful (1 Cor 14:14). Peter knew what he was saying... He was preaching the gospel to them.
It's late here. Done for the night...
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If one were to speak in tongues by the Holy Spirit, that would be Biblical.
The more I listen to Charismatic folks twist scriptue the more I lean cessation.
Im veryuch a literallist when it comes to scripture. Not that all scripture is literal; there is figurative language in scripture and idomatic language in scripture. An example of that would be where Jesus said if your eye offends you pluck it out. Or the figurative language in the apocalyptic writings like the book of Revelation. What I mean by literalist is that you read what is written according what it is; a historical narrative as history, poetry and songs as poetry, and so on. The book of Acts is a historical narrative. Take for example Acts 2, where the Holy Spirit comes upon the disciple in the upper room and they came down to where the crowds were speaking in tongues. The people there heard them speaking in their native languages proclaiming "the wonderful works of God".
The more I listen to Charismatic folks twist scriptue the more I lean cessation.
Im veryuch a literallist when it comes to scripture. Not that all scripture is literal; there is figurative language in scripture and idomatic language in scripture. An example of that would be where Jesus said if your eye offends you pluck it out. Or the figurative language in the apocalyptic writings like the book of Revelation. What I mean by literalist is that you read what is written according what it is; a historical narrative as history, poetry and songs as poetry, and so on. The book of Acts is a historical narrative. Take for example Acts 2, where the Holy Spirit comes upon the disciple in the upper room and they came down to where the crowds were speaking in tongues. The people there heard them speaking in their native languages proclaiming "the wonderful works of God".
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A few things ignored by the charismatic folks is. When Philip baptized the ethiopean he did not (at least according to what os written ) lay hands on him to convey the Holy Spirit. He taught the gospel and then obviously also about baptism and then, God carried him away.
Like wise when he was preaching in Samaria preaching he did many healings and casting out demons and baptizing folks. It wasnt until Peter and John heard and came there.
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (for as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Acts 8:14-17 KJV
And Philip goes on and preaches the gospel in many cities, but you never hear of him passing on the Holy Ghost, by laying on hands. It seems to be done only by apostles.
In the letters to Corinth you find Paul writting correction because they are doing things disorderly among those things Paul has to correct their abuse of speaking in tongues. Where hes says let only onenor two speak in tongues in the assembly and only of there is a translator, other than that keep it to yourself. He even says prefer that you prophecy but ends up saying these will pass away in chapter 13. Which is an interesting read.
Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
I Corinthians 13:8, 10 NKJV
Then Paul speak maturing in an interesting way
When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
I Corinthians 13:11-12
But the last part is the most interesting.
And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
I Corinthians 13:13 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/1co.13.13.NKJV
From my study and what i have witnesses. I am convinced that its not a matter of cessation but of two other issues; one that the pentecostal folks do not understand the gifts and are not performing the gifts as described in the book of Acts. And two the sign gifts are rare due to the maturity of the church. By that I dont mean each individual of the church but in the knowledge and wisdom that is with in the church mostly due to the completion of scripture.
Like wise when he was preaching in Samaria preaching he did many healings and casting out demons and baptizing folks. It wasnt until Peter and John heard and came there.
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (for as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Acts 8:14-17 KJV
And Philip goes on and preaches the gospel in many cities, but you never hear of him passing on the Holy Ghost, by laying on hands. It seems to be done only by apostles.
In the letters to Corinth you find Paul writting correction because they are doing things disorderly among those things Paul has to correct their abuse of speaking in tongues. Where hes says let only onenor two speak in tongues in the assembly and only of there is a translator, other than that keep it to yourself. He even says prefer that you prophecy but ends up saying these will pass away in chapter 13. Which is an interesting read.
Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
I Corinthians 13:8, 10 NKJV
Then Paul speak maturing in an interesting way
When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
I Corinthians 13:11-12
But the last part is the most interesting.
And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
I Corinthians 13:13 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/1co.13.13.NKJV
From my study and what i have witnesses. I am convinced that its not a matter of cessation but of two other issues; one that the pentecostal folks do not understand the gifts and are not performing the gifts as described in the book of Acts. And two the sign gifts are rare due to the maturity of the church. By that I dont mean each individual of the church but in the knowledge and wisdom that is with in the church mostly due to the completion of scripture.
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Yes. Acts 2 and 10 were not the norm but unusual exceptions for an unusual reason: to start the church, so the Spirit fell as a sign to those present, to validate the event. No other time recorded did the Spirit fall on anyone in such a manner unilaterally or without the laying on of the apostle's hands to enable its miraculous manifestations.
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To me its always telling in how much they impose on what I write. If they can not read what I write here and understand it without imposing their far flung interpretations and emotions, How then are they able to read and understand scripture. They impose themselves upon the text so much so that the meanings of the words are unrecognizable.
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... you mean they prayed [or shoulda] in the garden instead of in the closet
or perhaps you are referring to Jesu's prayer in John 17 and many other times He prayed publicly.
The Our Father is definitely a communal prayer.
Now my dear ole Dad was a fervent Catholic, Irish, devout. and He LOVED the gospels and when he read enter into thy closet and shut the door he thought the Lord meant the wardrobe cupboard for that's what the Irish call the wardrobe.
So he used to squeeze into the wardrobe and shut the door.
... wanna know something? God used to answer his prayers.
or perhaps you are referring to Jesu's prayer in John 17 and many other times He prayed publicly.
The Our Father is definitely a communal prayer.
Now my dear ole Dad was a fervent Catholic, Irish, devout. and He LOVED the gospels and when he read enter into thy closet and shut the door he thought the Lord meant the wardrobe cupboard for that's what the Irish call the wardrobe.
So he used to squeeze into the wardrobe and shut the door.
... wanna know something? God used to answer his prayers.
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I didnt say that, imply that, or give any reason in what I wrote that would lead one to think that is a question, reasonable to ask.
I can only assume you are either intending to provoke me, which would be highly unchristian, and futile. (I dont have feelings about the stuff said here). Or that you have no useful reading comprehension skills. Being the lovingbperson I am, i will assume the best of you and think maybe its just too early for you and you need some time to gather your thoughts.
I can only assume you are either intending to provoke me, which would be highly unchristian, and futile. (I dont have feelings about the stuff said here). Or that you have no useful reading comprehension skills. Being the lovingbperson I am, i will assume the best of you and think maybe its just too early for you and you need some time to gather your thoughts.
Your post doesn't make much sense. Jesus also prayed in public, for example before raising Lazarus from the dead, and even said He prayed what He did for the sakes of those who heard him, and I Corinthians 14 talks about praying in public also. Jesus did speak against those who made long prayers.... that they may be seen of men. It is a heart attitude issue.
I am not in favor of praying en masse in tongues. If someone speaks in tongues in the assembly and there is no interpreter, he is to be silent. I was raised in churches (moved around quite a bit) where speaking in tongues was followed by an interpretation. But people might speak in tongues in their private prayer. I know there are other churches that do things differently.
I am not in favor of praying en masse in tongues. If someone speaks in tongues in the assembly and there is no interpreter, he is to be silent. I was raised in churches (moved around quite a bit) where speaking in tongues was followed by an interpretation. But people might speak in tongues in their private prayer. I know there are other churches that do things differently.
Ever have your Dad, when you were younger, gently push with his hand when he encouraged you to do something but you weren't sure about doing it yet?
Same thing happens when I Speak in Tongues. When it happens, it's like God is using His Communicating skills through me. You can feel the stirring and maybe you're in a deep fervent prayer seeking for God's help, advice, wisdom, direction, etc. You're just Praying and it happens.
I've seen within days of those prayers the answer comes, the directions are revealed, the correct things to say, whatever it may be. That Moment where you just suddenly Speak in Tongues is unlocking Mysteries, Paul tells us. Of course, the Mysteries being unlocked are the Answers to the Problems, which Direction to go, which Decision to make, what to say, etc. God is consistent and it happens the same way almost every time.
Same thing happens when I Speak in Tongues. When it happens, it's like God is using His Communicating skills through me. You can feel the stirring and maybe you're in a deep fervent prayer seeking for God's help, advice, wisdom, direction, etc. You're just Praying and it happens.
I've seen within days of those prayers the answer comes, the directions are revealed, the correct things to say, whatever it may be. That Moment where you just suddenly Speak in Tongues is unlocking Mysteries, Paul tells us. Of course, the Mysteries being unlocked are the Answers to the Problems, which Direction to go, which Decision to make, what to say, etc. God is consistent and it happens the same way almost every time.
Yes, but they are two different situations, what was occurring in the church at Corinth is not the same as what occurred in Acts.
The word "glossa" means languages or the actual tongue depending on the context.
If Paul used the word tongues or languages (which is a better rendering of the Greek word glõssa) differently in 1 Corinthians 14 than it is used elsewhere in the New Testament, one could conclude that he is talking about something other than "languages."
However, the word is used in the same way as in other places, one must conclude that Paul is referring to the same concept as is mentioned elsewhere, that he is speaking of foreign or non-Greek languages.
Corinth was a city with many foreigners and many languages, that is why the church was having so many problems in their meetings. Paul was giving them instructions on how to deal with these problems. As well there is evidence that the temple prostitutes, who had converted did practice ecstatic speech were doing this in the meetings.
But the main point is glossa means language, and when the KJV says unknown languages the translators added that in to make it clear he was speaking about foreign languages not a private prayer language.
Paul is using himself as an example of proper behaviour, and really verse 18 and 19 go together.
He is thankful for the benefit of believers he is able to speak in various languages (tongues is plural).
But in the Corinthian church meeting, Paul would rather speak "five intelligible words."
He is comparing the benefit of the little (five words) that all can understand, meaningful powerful words to the many words.
When in the congregation he prefers to speak five words (meaning words, intelligible speech) with his mind fully engaged than to go on and on in a language and just blathering on like someone on a soapbox.
He was giving practical advice.
If you are so sure of your position it should stand the test of scrutiny.
The tongues one hears in churches today is ecstatic unintelligible speech, not a language of angels.
The word "glossa" means languages or the actual tongue depending on the context.
If Paul used the word tongues or languages (which is a better rendering of the Greek word glõssa) differently in 1 Corinthians 14 than it is used elsewhere in the New Testament, one could conclude that he is talking about something other than "languages."
However, the word is used in the same way as in other places, one must conclude that Paul is referring to the same concept as is mentioned elsewhere, that he is speaking of foreign or non-Greek languages.
Corinth was a city with many foreigners and many languages, that is why the church was having so many problems in their meetings. Paul was giving them instructions on how to deal with these problems. As well there is evidence that the temple prostitutes, who had converted did practice ecstatic speech were doing this in the meetings.
But the main point is glossa means language, and when the KJV says unknown languages the translators added that in to make it clear he was speaking about foreign languages not a private prayer language.
Paul is using himself as an example of proper behaviour, and really verse 18 and 19 go together.
He is thankful for the benefit of believers he is able to speak in various languages (tongues is plural).
But in the Corinthian church meeting, Paul would rather speak "five intelligible words."
He is comparing the benefit of the little (five words) that all can understand, meaningful powerful words to the many words.
When in the congregation he prefers to speak five words (meaning words, intelligible speech) with his mind fully engaged than to go on and on in a language and just blathering on like someone on a soapbox.
He was giving practical advice.
If you are so sure of your position it should stand the test of scrutiny.
The tongues one hears in churches today is ecstatic unintelligible speech, not a language of angels.
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