TIMING OF CREATION

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There is a belief that all scripture can be read as literal, also spiritual, and also has a deeper spiritual meaning. God is truth, God is spirit, and God 's ways are so mysterious to us we don't understand their depth.
 

Gideon300

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Yeah, obviously I was not referring to cats and dogs and did not think you were either
with the "pre-Adamic creation." Any ways, all creation was before Adam and Eve according
to Genesis, so what do does WN mean by it? Unless nothing was different...
Yeah, obviously I was not referring to cats and dogs and did not think you were either
with the "pre-Adamic creation." Any ways, all creation was before Adam and Eve according
to Genesis, so what do does WN mean by it? Unless nothing was different...
What the "gap theory", aka pre-Adamic creation postulates is that Genesis 1:1 refers to a complete creation, not a submerged wasteland. The theory states that this first creation declined to a point where it became formless and empty. This explains the apparent age of the earth and the fossil record.

Genesis 1:2 onward is the account of the restoration of the earth and its inhabitants, including humanity. There are also parallels with the salvation of man. The Holy Spirit hovered over the destroyed earth. He is there when the gospel is preached to bring conviction to sinners. The first requirement for salvation is light. The entrance of God's word brings light. God spoke and it was so. It is the preaching of God's word that saves. And so on.
 

Gideon300

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The Lord I know didnt have to do things twice to get creation right
You know a different Lord from me. My Lord created man in His image but man messed up. So my Lord offered up His own life in order that man may become a new creation. So yes, it may well be that the original creation also was destroyed because of sin and God restored and renewed it.
 

Gideon300

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#44
God pronounced creation good at every stage until Eve was created, and then? It was very good .:D
God did not declare the second day to be good. W Nee has an explantion for that.
 

LenMcM

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#45
During the creation process the Lord said it was good or very good which means to me God was pleased with what He made! Perfect and Holy as He designed everything. Now another way of stating this is creation was without sin when he spoke. So, what in the Bible represents no sin for 7 days? I found that the feast of Unleavened Bread represents this seven day time of creation. A spring time event! Leven represents sin.

Now on the sixth day Man was created and when he sinned Adam and Eve covered themselves with leaves for their sin and shame. Notice that is was not a covering for sin in the lord's eyes. The Lord took animal skins which represents the beginning of a blood sacrifice till the Lord made the final blood sacrifice on Calvary 4000 years later on Passover. The fruit that they ate had to be the grape if this is part of the Passover story.

So what I am suggesting is this 6th day of creation represented the original Passover and the reason why Yeshua was crucified on the 6th day of the week and on the revolution of the year.. Now this is only the beginning of the understnding I have but want your input.
The problem is that though we celebrate the crucifixion on the Friday (6th day) He was actually crucified on a Thursday (5th day). - There were two Sabbaths that week, the first was a special Holy Sabbath.
 

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#46
The problem is that though we celebrate the crucifixion on the Friday (6th day) He was actually crucified on a Thursday (5th day). - There were two Sabbaths that week, the first was a special Holy Sabbath.
That would have been impossible as Passover is always celebrated on the full moon
 

Gideon300

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#47
Yeah, obviously I was not referring to cats and dogs and did not think you were either
with the "pre-Adamic creation." Any ways, all creation was before Adam and Eve according
to Genesis, so what do does WN mean by it? Unless nothing was different...
Yeah, obviously I was not referring to cats and dogs and did not think you were either
with the "pre-Adamic creation." Any ways, all creation was before Adam and Eve according
to Genesis, so what do does WN mean by it? Unless nothing was different...
What the "gap theory", aka pre-Adamic creation postulates is that Genesis 1:1 refers to a complete creation, not a submerged wasteland. The theory states that this first creation declined to a point where it became formless and empty. This explains the apparent age of the earth and the fossil record.

Genesis 1:2 onward is the account of the restoration of the earth and its inhabitants, including humanity. There are also parallels with the salvation of man. The Holy Spirit hovered over the destroyed earth. He is there when the gospel is preached to bring conviction to sinners. The first requirement for salvation is light. The entrance of God's word brings light. God spoke and it was so. It is the preaching of God's word that brings salvation to those who accept Christ.
 

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#48
Does this sound like to you the Passover is not at the proper time?

Matthew 24:26 When Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said to his disciples, 2 “You know that after two days the Passover is coming, and the Son of man will be delivered up to be crucified.”

But on the night the was arrested Yeshua kept coming back to his disciples asking them to watch! Do you know why? Do you think the disciples knew he was going to be arrested that night.?------ No--Yeshua was fullfilling scripture!

Mat 12: 42 It was a night of watching by the Lord, to bring them out of the land of Egypt; so this same night is a night of watching kept to the Lord by all the people of Israel throughout their generations.

This scripture was to be fulfilled by every generation. Another reason why we know the Passover was also carried out at the proper time. Every jew was to fulfilled this ordinance
 

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Guess that's why I load mine up with steamed broccoli and (Yuummmm) butter ♫ 😇 ↑
Butter and melted cheese are excellent covers for such offensive forms of culinary atrocities. But remember, the more they are employed in this fashion the less they may be used to enhance popcorn and chips.
 
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after you 2 finally get to a point where you feel clogged up from the masking items like cheese, just remember and Praise God, He made Cabbage, that you turn into coleslaw, and you will be unclogged in no time soon.
 

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Couldn't agree more. There isn't enough ranch dressing in the world to make cauliflower palatable.
Ranch dressing is my favorite. Scored a Hidden Valley Ranch seasoning packet this morning at my local Walmart. Gonna have some kind of ranch chicken thing later today.
 

LenMcM

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LenMcM

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In reply to Gideon. You say "It's impossible". Don't you read the Scriptures. My reply of necessity is a little lengthy. It is a portion from a study I already had prepared.
Wed. 13th. Nisan (6pm Tues. to 6pm Wed.)
09/04/32 A.D.

Passover Preparation Day
Jesus still in Bethany.

After two days of teaching in the Temple it was now the Passover/ Feast of Unleavened Bread Preparation Day.

The Spiritual Leaders again conspire to kill Jesus. Mark 14:1, 2. (Passover commences at twilight, the end of this day.)

At the house of Simon the leper, a woman anoints Jesus with fragrant oil. Mark 14: 3-9. Matt. 26: 6-13.

Judas approaches the Spiritual Leaders with a plan to betray Christ. - Matt. 26: 14-16. Mark 14:10-11.

While still at Bethany, Jesus gives Passover directions to disciples. - Matt. 26:17. Mark 14: 12- 21.

Luke 22: 7-13. Jesus sends Peter & John to arrange a large Upper Room in Jerusalem where they could all meet to share the Feast of Passover/Unleavened bread.

Thur. 14th. Nisan (6pm Wed. to 6pm Thur.)


10/04/32 A.D.

Feast of Passover

The Passover commences at twilight, which begins the 14th of Nisan, (Wednesday evening our time) and concludes the evening of the 21st. Nisan. - Exod. 12: 1-28. / Deut. 16:1-8 / Lev. 23: 5. The whole of this first night is to be treated as “Holy”. Exod. 12:42.

In the evening (Commencement of 14th Nisan) Jesus eats the Pascal Lamb Passover with His disciples, and at its conclusion institutes the ‘Communion’, as we now know it. - Matt. 26: 17-30. Mark 14: 17-26. Luke 22: 7-20. After Christ shared the Passover, He and the disciples proceeded to the Garden of Gethsemane (a small olive grove on the Mount of Olives), where He was betrayed by Judas, (probably about midnight) and before sunrise Thursday the 14th, was arrested and tried immediately. - Matt. 26: 36 to 27: 61. Mark 14:27 to 15:20. John 18: 1 to 19:16. , and was subsequently crucified at 9am that Thursday morning.



Read Mark 15, also, Matt.26:17 to 27:66. Luke 22:7 to 23:56. John 19: 12-42
Jesus crucified at 9am (Third hour Hebrew time) . Mark 15:24,25.
Darkness, noon to 3pm. (Sixth to ninth hour Hebrew time.) Mat. 27: 45,46. - Mark 15: 33-36. -Luke 23:44-49.
Jesus dies at 3pm, or shortly after. Mark 15: 34-41.
He is buried in Joseph’s tomb at evening. Mark: 15: 42-47.
By Law a body is not allowed to remain on a tree overnight. Deut. 21; 22,23.
This was made even more important due to it being only 3 hours to the beginning of the commencement of the High Day Sabbath.


Fri. 15th. Nisan (6pm Thur. to 6pm Fri.)
11/04/32.A.D.

Feast of Unleavened Bread.- Lev. 23:6-8

Also called A High Day Sabbath which follows Passover.– Also Sabbath Preparation Day.

No work on this day.
Weekly Sabbath commences at twilight at end of this day. -​



In the evening, just before the commencement of the High Day Sabbath, (Thursday evening, our time) Joseph of Arimathea obtains permission to take Jesus body and place it in a new tomb. Mark 15: 42- 47.

John 19:31 reads; “Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.”

He was wrapped hastily in linen, and placed in a tomb at twilight (Thursday evening our time), - John 19: 38-42.
Watched by the women. - Mat. 27: 57-61. Luke 23: 50-56 Mark 15:47.

Luke 23: 53-56 reads; Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a tomb that was hewn out of the rock, where no one had ever lain before. That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near. And the women who had come with Him from Galilee followed after, and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid. Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.
Jesus’s spirit had been in Sheol for three hours (Thursday) before his body was placed in the tomb at the commencement of Friday. -- Women rest Friday as per Law.

Sat. 16th. Nisan (6pm Fri. to 6pm Sat.)

12/04/32 A.D.

Weekly Sabbath

No work allowed other than domestic. - Lev. 23: 4-8.

Chief priests place guard on tomb, day after Preparation Day. - Mat. 27: 62-66.
Women rest as per. Sabbath Law.


Sun. 17th. Nisan (6pm Sat. to 6pm Sun.)

13/04/32 A.D.

Resurrection Sunday.

Feast of Sheaf of First Fruits. - Lev. 23: 9-12. - 1 Cor. 5: 7, 8. - 1 Cor. 15: 20.


Just before sunrise, while still dark. (Probably about 5 a.m.) Angel removes stone from tomb. Christ, The First Fruit arose.
Guards flee. - Women arrive (probably about 6.00 a.m.), to complete the embalming. Find tomb empty. Angel speaks to women, & then Christ speaks to Mary. Mary tells disciples,
‘Christ is risen.’ - Mark 16: John 20:

He is seen by women who then take the news to the doubting disciples. Mark 16: 1-11.

He appears to two disciples on the road. Mark 16: 12,13.

He appears to the eleven disciples & commissions them to preach the Word. Mark 16: 14-18.

Jesus received up to the Father. Mark 16:19,20.

He did it for us; - John 3: 16-18. - Rom. 3: 22-26. - 1 Cor. 15: 3-4. - 1 Tim. 1:15. - 1 John 1: 7-10.
 
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pottersclay

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Eve ...mother of all living things could be in refrence to the church...and Israel.
 

Omegatime

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Saturday would have been the High Sabbath-a true sabbath and first day of Unleaven bread IMO. Friday would have been the day of preparation for the sabbath.