Romans 10:13
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Salvation comes at/with being 'sealed' by/with the Holy Spirit.
Nothing in that verse places salvation before the Gospel or belief in Christ.
How many times will you ignore the word 'after'...???
'after that ye heard the word of truth' ('word of truth' = gospel)
'after that ye believed' (belief came first)
Salvation came after belief.
Nothing in that verse places salvation before the Gospel or belief in Christ.
How many times will you ignore the word 'after'...???
'after that ye heard the word of truth' ('word of truth' = gospel)
'after that ye believed' (belief came first)
Salvation came after belief.
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I am not so sure you do... 
I believe you may be confusing/conflating some things.
Hebrews 4:
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
The Word of God can convict the lost sinner who is 'spiritually dead' - bringing them to a "saving knowledge" of God/Christ/Gospel - upon which they may then 'believe' and in which they may then have 'faith' - after which they are 'saved' by the 'sealing' of the Holy Spirit, given by God.
At the point in time that they are 'saved' ('sealed' by the Holy Spirit), they are "made alive" ('spiritually') by the Holy Spirit ('regenerated') - after which - they may be taught 'spiritual' things by the Holy Spirit.
The 'regeneration' of a person is not a prerequisite to the 'act' of being 'saved'; rather, it occurs because-and-when a person is 'saved' - by virtue of the Holy Spirit.
It is by 'belief' and 'faith' that an individual may become 'spiritually alive'.
Being 'spiritually alive' is not a prerequisite for the very thing that enables a person to become 'spiritually alive'.
I believe you may be confusing/conflating some things.
Hebrews 4:
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
The Word of God can convict the lost sinner who is 'spiritually dead' - bringing them to a "saving knowledge" of God/Christ/Gospel - upon which they may then 'believe' and in which they may then have 'faith' - after which they are 'saved' by the 'sealing' of the Holy Spirit, given by God.
At the point in time that they are 'saved' ('sealed' by the Holy Spirit), they are "made alive" ('spiritually') by the Holy Spirit ('regenerated') - after which - they may be taught 'spiritual' things by the Holy Spirit.
The 'regeneration' of a person is not a prerequisite to the 'act' of being 'saved'; rather, it occurs because-and-when a person is 'saved' - by virtue of the Holy Spirit.
It is by 'belief' and 'faith' that an individual may become 'spiritually alive'.
Being 'spiritually alive' is not a prerequisite for the very thing that enables a person to become 'spiritually alive'.
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Bad Eisegesus again by you! You just ripped a verse out of context, then ripped it out of even the verse! Let's look at it again!
"31 God exalted him to his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins" Acts 5:13 NET
What is this verse part of? It is a speech, telling people who Jesus was. Peter is talking and he is explaining to the high priest at the Sanhedrin about who Jesus was and why they continued to speak about him, despite being warned by the high priest not to do so. This chapter also notes that signs and wonders were being done in the name of Jesus. Verse 17 also says that the High Priest and the Sadducee "and they were filled with jealousy."
So the priests & scribes bring Peter before them, where Peter tells the rulers. "They must obey God, rather than people!" Vs 29. Peter then reviews for these church leaders the gospel, including that Jesus died for the forgiveness of sins, and "to bring repentance to Israel." Vs 31!
Peter is not speaking about a person or individual in this passage at all. He is explaining how by Jesus death on the cross, he forgave sins, AND to the nation of Israel brought "true" repentance. Not the repentance of animal sacrifices or offerings, which was going on in the temple! But so the entire nation of Israel now had access to a kind of repentance, that if done, would result in the forgiveness of sins!
"And every priest stands day after day serving and offering the same sacrifices again and again—sacrifices that can never take away sins." Hebrews 10:11
Animal sacrifice as a way to God, as a method of repentance was finished! Christ did away with the "first" or animal sacrifice, in order to bring the "second," his death on the cross!
"He does away with the first to establish the second. 10 By his will we have been made holy through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." Hebrews 10:9-10
This is the gospel. Jesus didn't dump repentance on Israel as a nation, not on individuals on mass. He didn't dump repentance on you, or anyone else. Peter explains that Christ's death on the "tree" vs Acts 5: 30, opened the door for Israel at this time, and in Acts 10, to all Gentiles, to be able to repent and turn from their sins, for forgiveness, which the blood of bulls and rams could never do! He is saying that Jesus death closed the door on animal sacrifice as a means of repentance, rather that it was now only available through the blood of Christ.
Peter says nothing about Jesus giving repentance to anyone. The gospel opens the door to the possibility that who-so-ever may, can repent and ask for repentance.
I'm not expecting anyone as narrow minded as you, who lacks any training in hermeneutics or Bible interpretation to understand any of this. You have completely misinterpreted the verse, the passage & the whole gospel.
Yet why else, only 3 chapters earlier did Peter command people to repent?
"Peter said to them, “Repent, and each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." Acts 2:38
Jesus didn't give them mass repentance! They had to repent "EACH ONE OF YOU" Why else did Jesus command everyone to
repent:
"From that time Jesus began to preach this message: “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near!” Matt 4:17
Why else did John the Baptist say:
"He said, “The time is fulfilled and the kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe the gospel!” Mark 1:15
Why else did the disciples go out into the country saying:
"So they went out and preached that all should repent." Mark 6:12
Why else did Luke say:
"I tell you, in the same way there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous people who have no need to repent!" Luke 15:7
God did give us the gift of grace through faith. But, each one must repent before God to be saved! God did not just give us repentance. Nor is it a "work!" It is the result of grace through faith. If you do not repent, then you are simply not saved!
But I do hope others will understand that by Jesus dying on the cross for our sins, Jesus made a way through the cross for everyone to believe, repent of their sins & be forgiven!
"31 God exalted him to his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins" Acts 5:13 NET
What is this verse part of? It is a speech, telling people who Jesus was. Peter is talking and he is explaining to the high priest at the Sanhedrin about who Jesus was and why they continued to speak about him, despite being warned by the high priest not to do so. This chapter also notes that signs and wonders were being done in the name of Jesus. Verse 17 also says that the High Priest and the Sadducee "and they were filled with jealousy."
So the priests & scribes bring Peter before them, where Peter tells the rulers. "They must obey God, rather than people!" Vs 29. Peter then reviews for these church leaders the gospel, including that Jesus died for the forgiveness of sins, and "to bring repentance to Israel." Vs 31!
Peter is not speaking about a person or individual in this passage at all. He is explaining how by Jesus death on the cross, he forgave sins, AND to the nation of Israel brought "true" repentance. Not the repentance of animal sacrifices or offerings, which was going on in the temple! But so the entire nation of Israel now had access to a kind of repentance, that if done, would result in the forgiveness of sins!
"And every priest stands day after day serving and offering the same sacrifices again and again—sacrifices that can never take away sins." Hebrews 10:11
Animal sacrifice as a way to God, as a method of repentance was finished! Christ did away with the "first" or animal sacrifice, in order to bring the "second," his death on the cross!
"He does away with the first to establish the second. 10 By his will we have been made holy through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." Hebrews 10:9-10
This is the gospel. Jesus didn't dump repentance on Israel as a nation, not on individuals on mass. He didn't dump repentance on you, or anyone else. Peter explains that Christ's death on the "tree" vs Acts 5: 30, opened the door for Israel at this time, and in Acts 10, to all Gentiles, to be able to repent and turn from their sins, for forgiveness, which the blood of bulls and rams could never do! He is saying that Jesus death closed the door on animal sacrifice as a means of repentance, rather that it was now only available through the blood of Christ.
Peter says nothing about Jesus giving repentance to anyone. The gospel opens the door to the possibility that who-so-ever may, can repent and ask for repentance.
I'm not expecting anyone as narrow minded as you, who lacks any training in hermeneutics or Bible interpretation to understand any of this. You have completely misinterpreted the verse, the passage & the whole gospel.
Yet why else, only 3 chapters earlier did Peter command people to repent?
"Peter said to them, “Repent, and each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." Acts 2:38
Jesus didn't give them mass repentance! They had to repent "EACH ONE OF YOU" Why else did Jesus command everyone to
repent:
"From that time Jesus began to preach this message: “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near!” Matt 4:17
Why else did John the Baptist say:
"He said, “The time is fulfilled and the kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe the gospel!” Mark 1:15
Why else did the disciples go out into the country saying:
"So they went out and preached that all should repent." Mark 6:12
Why else did Luke say:
"I tell you, in the same way there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous people who have no need to repent!" Luke 15:7
God did give us the gift of grace through faith. But, each one must repent before God to be saved! God did not just give us repentance. Nor is it a "work!" It is the result of grace through faith. If you do not repent, then you are simply not saved!
But I do hope others will understand that by Jesus dying on the cross for our sins, Jesus made a way through the cross for everyone to believe, repent of their sins & be forgiven!
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One is regenerated before they hear and believe the Gospel 2 Thess 2:13
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
2Th 2:14
Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
The Sanctifying work of the Spirit in regeneration, is preparatory to the effectual call of the Gospel. Rom 1:16 is speaking of the conversion of a regenerated person, the Gospel comes to them in power 1 Thess 1:5
For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
2Th 2:14
Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
The Sanctifying work of the Spirit in regeneration, is preparatory to the effectual call of the Gospel. Rom 1:16 is speaking of the conversion of a regenerated person, the Gospel comes to them in power 1 Thess 1:5
For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.
A Person is saved before the Gospel comes to them, thats why its the Gospel of THEIR SALVATION, they are in possession of Salvation. The word your hymōn is a possessive pronoun, so they are in a saved state, a salvation state, thats why also they heard the word of Truth, a lost person cannot hear spiritually the word of God. Also the Spirits sealing isnt regeneration, its confirming the Truth, a true believer will never apostatize from the Truth because they are sealed by the Spirit.
Faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Again, thats exactly what 2 Thess 2:13 Illustrates
Faith follows the Sanctifying regenerative work of the Spirit
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Belief of the Truth/Faith is the fruit of the Spirit.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Again, thats exactly what 2 Thess 2:13 Illustrates
Faith follows the Sanctifying regenerative work of the Spirit
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Belief of the Truth/Faith is the fruit of the Spirit.
The verse shows that when one is regenerated they have been saved. I have already shown you umpteen times that regeneration preceded belief 2 Thess 2:13
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
So when a person calls upon the Name of the Lord, its giving evidence they are saved by regeneration. This is elementary friend, you are showing your lack of knowledge of salvation.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
So when a person calls upon the Name of the Lord, its giving evidence they are saved by regeneration. This is elementary friend, you are showing your lack of knowledge of salvation.
All this for nothing, Jesus gives repentance Acts 5:31
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
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18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life
God gives regeneration for repentance.
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
11:18
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life
God gives regeneration for repentance.
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Salvation is a serious matter and your False Doctrine of it is a more serious matter as you are sending people to their doom by your telling others of your False Doctrine on Salvation and you should be ashamed of yourself ---your the one laughing at the Truth of Scripture about how to receive Salvation ---
You are Wrongly dividing the Word of Truth -------who is Jesus
OK to send yourself to this place below ---but not OK to send others there for your ignorance of Salvation through Faith ---especially feeling no remorse -------you will be Judged for that severely in your end ------
so Good Luck explaining to God why you preach a False Doctrine on Salvation---comes from the------
You are Wrongly dividing the Word of Truth -------who is Jesus
OK to send yourself to this place below ---but not OK to send others there for your ignorance of Salvation through Faith ---especially feeling no remorse -------you will be Judged for that severely in your end ------
so Good Luck explaining to God why you preach a False Doctrine on Salvation---comes from the
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