Calvin did not invent the doctrines of grace
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For starters, you did with your statement below. In it, you deny Christ as Savior. You make salvation dependent upon a man's actions
(turning in this case), not God's. When you take the giving of salvation away from the Saviour, as you do below, you, in essence, have "scoffed at the Lord Jesus Christ and/or the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ", because as Saviour, salvation is by Christ alone and it IS the gospel of Christ. Man cannot be his own saviour and Christ also be his Saviour. It is either only of Christ, or it is only of man. There is/can be no middle ground. By you saying otherwise, you say precisely what you've claimed that you didn't say.
"I did not state what you claim.
Here is what I said in Post 522:
16 Nevertheless when it [the heart of the reader] shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
2 Cor 3:15-16 – the veil remains upon the heart of some when they read Scripture. However, when the reader turns his or her heart to the Lord Jesus Christ, the veil is removed. [note: the verb is active which means the reader turns his/her heart]
In 2 Cor 3:16, the words shall turn are translated from the Greek word epistrephó which means to turn. The verb is active, which means the person turns. If the verb was passive, that would mean the person was turned.
The veil being removed ... taken away is passive, which means that the person does not remove the veil. The veil is removed from him or her.
The person does the turning, the Lord removes the veil. "
Get it now?
(turning in this case), not God's. When you take the giving of salvation away from the Saviour, as you do below, you, in essence, have "scoffed at the Lord Jesus Christ and/or the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ", because as Saviour, salvation is by Christ alone and it IS the gospel of Christ. Man cannot be his own saviour and Christ also be his Saviour. It is either only of Christ, or it is only of man. There is/can be no middle ground. By you saying otherwise, you say precisely what you've claimed that you didn't say.
"I did not state what you claim.
Here is what I said in Post 522:
16 Nevertheless when it [the heart of the reader] shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
2 Cor 3:15-16 – the veil remains upon the heart of some when they read Scripture. However, when the reader turns his or her heart to the Lord Jesus Christ, the veil is removed. [note: the verb is active which means the reader turns his/her heart]
In 2 Cor 3:16, the words shall turn are translated from the Greek word epistrephó which means to turn. The verb is active, which means the person turns. If the verb was passive, that would mean the person was turned.
The veil being removed ... taken away is passive, which means that the person does not remove the veil. The veil is removed from him or her.
The person does the turning, the Lord removes the veil. "
Get it now?
Romans 1:
15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel of Christ] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein [in the gospel of Christ] is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
From faith to faith – not from works to faith or from faith to works ... from faith to faith. the life of the born again one begins in faith and the born again one is to continue to live by faith alone.
God makes clear that He imputes righteousness to those who believe:
Romans 4:
20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
God also makes clear that faith is not works:
Romans 4:
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
What Romans 4:5 tells us is that faith is not works and faith is counted for righteousness today just as it was in Abraham's day ... and even before Abraham for we know that Abel obtained witness that he was righteous through his offering by faith - Heb11:4.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel of Christ] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein [in the gospel of Christ] is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
From faith to faith – not from works to faith or from faith to works ... from faith to faith. the life of the born again one begins in faith and the born again one is to continue to live by faith alone.
God makes clear that He imputes righteousness to those who believe:
Romans 4:
20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
God also makes clear that faith is not works:
Romans 4:
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
What Romans 4:5 tells us is that faith is not works and faith is counted for righteousness today just as it was in Abraham's day ... and even before Abraham for we know that Abel obtained witness that he was righteous through his offering by faith - Heb11:4.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
.
rogerg, just read the verses and quit rejecting what God tells you:
Romans 1:
15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel of Christ] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein [in the gospel of Christ] is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
From faith to faith – not from works to faith or from faith to works ... from faith to faith. the life of the born again one begins in faith and the born again one is to continue to live by faith alone.
Your error is your belief that faith is "man's work" when Scripture clearly tells us faith is not works:
Romans 4:
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
What Romans 4:5 tells us is that faith is not works and faith is counted for righteousness today just as it was in Abraham's day ... and even before Abraham for we know that Abel obtained witness that he was righteous through his offering by faith - Heb11:4.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
.
Romans 1:
15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel of Christ] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein [in the gospel of Christ] is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
From faith to faith – not from works to faith or from faith to works ... from faith to faith. the life of the born again one begins in faith and the born again one is to continue to live by faith alone.
Your error is your belief that faith is "man's work" when Scripture clearly tells us faith is not works:
Romans 4:
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
What Romans 4:5 tells us is that faith is not works and faith is counted for righteousness today just as it was in Abraham's day ... and even before Abraham for we know that Abel obtained witness that he was righteous through his offering by faith - Heb11:4.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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