Where was Jesus for the three days between his death and resurrection?

[cv5]

I have posted a plethora of verses which you conveniently ignore and pretend do not exist
and have never before been gazed upon by you ... which speak of the destruction of the ungodly,
how the wicked perish and are no more. LOL @ nobody can dispute what you offer, when you deny,
oppose, and contradict what Scripture explicitly states in unequivocal language. Life ever after is
attained solely by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ. I ain't switching.

Well.....I guess it DID NOT help clear the fog then. Oh well.

See post #80. I think that just about wraps up this bogus annihilationism business one and for all.

https://christianchat.com/threads/w...is-death-and-resurrection.210204/post-5045781

 

[Magenta]

Well.....I guess it DID NOT help clear the fog then. Oh well.

Let me know when you believe what Scripture plainly says: God alone is immortal.

Until then you unwittingly repeat the lie of Satan at the heart of the fall of man and corruption
of all creation, while rejecting plain word meanings, and impugning the character of God.

John 3:16

 

[cv5]

Let me know when you believe what Scripture plainly says: God alone is immortal.

Until then you unwittingly repeat the lie of Satan at the heart of the fall of man and corruption
of all creation, while rejecting plain word meanings, and impugning the character of God.

John 3:16

What we are looking for is a Biblically relevant response that proves your assertions. Still waiting.
As of now, my case has won the day. I think everyone can agree upon that.

 

[tourist]

"So Charles Manson dies in prison after earthly judgement, then is resurrected only to be judged again, and then is simply executed. And suffers the same degree of punishment as Mother Theresa? And Stalin suffers the same penalty as Mahatma Ghandhi? Not a chance."

Why is the world would Mother Theresa suffer punishment?

 

[Nehemiah6]

Does the KJV ever capitalize He or Him in relation to God, Jesus, or Holy spirit? I doubt it. So that is far and away more than a few improvements needed. Plus KJV mostly says Holy Ghost.

As I said the KJV could use some improvements. Most people are not aware that in the 19th century the Church of England had a plan to make only necessary improvements or revisions to the Authorized Version. But that plan was hijacked by Westcott & Hort and their co-conspirators who changed the Greek Text as well as the Bible. The Revised Version from 1881 was a disgrace and Dean Burgon wrote about it extensively. That version now gathers dust.

There are some Christians who hold to the KJV but do not acknowledge that it could use some improvements. But the King James 2000 Bible (available on Bible Hub) has done a good job in bringing this tried and true translation up to date. Here is Luke 16:23 from that version: And in hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and seeing Abraham far off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

 

[cv5]

Why is the world would Mother Theresa suffer punishment?

Do some research on things she has said. Not sounding good if you ask me.

 

[tourist]

Do some research on things she has said. Not sounding good if you ask me.

Spending her life taking care of the poor. Nothing wrong with that at all.

 

[cv5]

Spending her life taking care of the poor. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Works of men don't redeem bro.

 

[VARob]

As of now, my case has won the day. I think everyone can agree upon that.

lol... Not quite, O overconfident one.

 

[HopeinHim98]

Spending her life taking care of the poor. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Catholicism is a works-based religion, not to mention the idolatry and horrors they have inflicted on true believers throughout history.

 

[VARob]

So Charles Manson dies in prison after earthly judgement, then is resurrected only to be judged again, and then is simply executed. And suffers the same degree of punishment as Mother Theresa? And Stalin suffers the same penalty as Mahatma Ghandhi?

Not a chance. As the saints obtain to greater rewards, so the condemned to greater punishment.

That's right. People will suffer in the lake of fire according to their ungodly works, but they will all eventually be destroyed. Even the devil himself will eventually burn up and be no more (Eze 28:18-19).

Furthermore, the mere punishment of execution has and will NEVER act as a deterrent to grievous sin.

That is ABSOLUTELY false. Even our criminal justice system tells you that.

In fact, merely dying is the EXCUSE/EXIT STRATEGY that sinners lean on as a mean to ESCAPE judgement.

They will not escape judgment.

Mat 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

The punishment will be everlasting, the punishING will not.

Rev 20:11
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Rev 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Rev 20:13
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Yep. Don't leave out verse 14.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death

They will die the second death and be gone.

 

[John146]

Yep. Don't leave out verse 14.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death

They will die the second death and be gone.

The first death was not annihilation, neither will the second death be annihilation.

 

[John146]

Spending her life taking care of the poor. Nothing wrong with that at all.

It's wrong if one is trying to earn their way to heaven.

 

[posthuman]

IMO, one of the big lies that have become Christian "orthodoxy" is that death doesn't mean death.

When you die, you aren't really dead. You continue to live because your spirit/soul is "immortal."

Nawp, I don't buy it, I do not believe the Bible teaches it. If when a Christian dies he goes to be with Jesus in heaven, why is death called an enemy that has yet to be destroyed? (1 Cor 15:26)

congratulations on having exactly the same worldview as the atheist.

the Bible describes us as bipartite beings having a physical body and a non-physical soul/spirit. it describes the earthly body as dying "the first death" and the soul/spirit surviving this physical expiration. it describes that physical death as the separation of the soul/spirit non-physical component of our being from the physical component of our being.

The entirety of our faith rests on our personhood surviving physical death. the view you expressed, annihilation upon physical expiration, is antithetical to our faith. it is exactly the view of the atheist who believes that physical life is the only life that exists.

Just as surely as physical death is not the only death, physical life is not the only life, and equally as sure, existence is not the same as life or death.
We exist because God upholds us. because He remembers us. in Him is our being, derived of Him and given by Him. when omniscient God forgets you, perhaps you will cease to exist - but that is not the gospel: "to be absent from the body is to be present with Christ"

 

[John146]

The translators certainly did a great disservice by using "hell", "the grave" and "the pit" for Sheol/Hades. I am committed 100% to the KJV but there are definitely improvements which are needed. For example they failed to capitalize "Spirit" with reference to God the Holy Spirit many times, and they also failed to capitalize "Word" with reference to Christ many times.

So, what we sometimes see in Scripture is that God will speak of His Spirit and also of His “spirit”, and “the spirit of the Lord” and “the Spirit of the Lord” or “the spirit of God” and also “the Spirit of God” and “My spirit” as well.

See examples of the small “s” in the word “spirit” in the King James Bible in Genesis 6:3; Exodus 31:3; 35:31; Numbers 24:2, Isaiah 11:2; 40:7; 42:1; 44:3 and 59:21.

These are not errors at all, but are verses that describe the working, activity, influence, animating principle, essential quality, disposition, energy or the driving force of God behind various actions He carries out rather than to the Third Person of the Blessed Trinity, the Holy Ghost.

Again, no improvements needed, just more faith in the words of God.

 

[VARob]

The first death was not annihilation, neither will the second death be annihilation.

1 Cor 15:
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

If there is no future rapture or resurrection, all those who have died, including believers, are gone.

 

[John146]

The entirety of our faith rests on our personhood surviving physical death. the view you expressed, annihilation upon physical expiration, is antithetical to our faith. it is exactly the view of the atheist who believes that physical life is the only life that exists.

Let us eat and drink for tomorrow we die...

 

[HeIsHere]

destroyed.

Destroyed ≠ Non Exist

Perish ≠ Non Exist

Death ≠ Non Exist

Second Death ≠ Annihilate

There is no chance at all this annihilation doctrine is correct.

In the New Testament, the word “dead” (Gk., nekros) means “lifeless, useless, or separated.”
Never, ever does it mean “nonexistent”

 

[VARob]

the Bible describes us as bipartite beings having a physical body and a non-physical soul/spirit. it describes the earthly body as dying "the first death" and the soul/spirit surviving this physical expiration.

It does no such thing.

it describes that physical death as the separation of the soul/spirit non-physical component of our being from the physical component of our being.

Therein lies the rub. Most Christians do not know what death is.

The entirety of our faith rests on our personhood surviving physical death.

My faith rests in the promised return of Jesus Christ, when dead Christians will be raised from the dead, and living Christians changed (1 Cor 15:51ff; 1 Thes 4:13-18).

the view you expressed, annihilation upon physical expiration, is antithetical to our faith. it is exactly the view of the atheist who believes that physical life is the only life that exists.

The atheist does not believe in God or the power of Christ's resurrection. The atheist has no hope.

 

[HeIsHere]

1 Cor 15:
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

If there is no future rapture or resurrection, all those who have died, including believers, are gone.

Completely out of context to the larger point of Paul's thesis.