The Young Messiah

[posthuman]

The Greek word for "worship" in that verse is a very general word depicting
adoration, and/or submission relative to one's betters, superiors, and/or
folks we admire; either human or divine.

it is used in the NT only of worshipping God ((when quoting the OT, for example Matthew 4:10 'worship the LORD only')) and it is used in exactly the same way in many instances of Christ and no other man, save in revelation speaking of the abominable worship of the dragon and the image of the beast.

https://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_4352.htm

 

[posthuman]

Calling him God's son is one thing, calling him God is quite another.

not to the Jews, who knew better than we do what the implication is.
for this they sought to kill Him on charges of blasphemy.

you also believe it is blasphemy to make Him equal with God?

 

[Mem]

Because the character of a certain king is humble, doesn't make him any less a king. For example, let's say said king invites you into his home, and upon entering you bow to offer him reverence but he quickly says, "no, no, there's no need for that! I am just a fellow servant with you... come, come, sit with me..."

 

[Webers.Home]

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FYI: It's sometimes alleged that Jesus' mom was of the tribe of Levi because
she and Elizabeth were related.

● Luke 1:5 . . In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named
Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; his wife Elizabeth
was also a descendant of Aaron.

Aaron descended from Levi (Ex 4:14)

During dialogue with Jesus' mom, the angel Gabriel said:

"Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age" (Luke 1:36)

However: the two women weren't related thru Levi: rather, thru his mother
Leah due to her being the mother of both Levi and Judah. (Gen 25:23)

Had Jesus' mom descended from Levi, her little boy would've failed to qualify
as an heir in line for David's throne because all candidates must first of all
be one of Judah's descendants; no exceptions.

● Gen 49:10 . .The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff
from his descendants, until the coming of the one to whom it belongs, the
one whom all nations will obey. (cf. Dan 7:13-14)
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[Liverpool]

Jesus according to Mark 6 was known as a carpenter by people ---


Mark 6 ERV

Jesus Goes to His Hometown
6 Jesus left and went back to his hometown. His followers went with him.

2 On the Sabbath day Jesus taught in the synagogue, and many people heard him. They were amazed and said, “Where did this man get this teaching? How did he get such wisdom? Who gave it to him? And where did he get the power to do miracles?

3 Isn’t he just the carpenter we know—Mary’s son, the brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And don’t his sisters still live here in town?” So they had a problem accepting him.

MY personal view here
So I would say in his younger days he was his Father's apprentice and learned skills of the trade -----and when of age made a wage for preforming his Trade -----this is just my own opinion ---the scripture does NOT say that -------but it just makes sense -------I am sure Joseph and Jesus got a wage for the work they did ------

Now this word carpenter ----if you look it up means more that working with wood and nails -------Jesus could have worked with stone --iron or copper as well as wood -------

Easton's Bible Dictionary
Carpenter------An artificer in stone, iron, and copper, as well as in wood ( Mark 6:3).
Every Jew, even the rabbis, learned some handicraft

Wow this is extremely interesting. Jesus lowered his position to be able to relate to us. He understands our pain because he’s been through it and so much worse. He understands and sympathizes with our feelings of loneliness, rejection, sadness, suffering and even death. God went through all that for us. Just puts me in awe. How lovely he is. The Savior of the World. Thank you Lord Jesus that you suffered for me. May i also suffer for Christ. I’d be honored. Being obedient even unto death

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Jesus had to live as a human for a while. He had to experience life within human limits with all it's trials, temptations & weaknesses.
Growing up from childhood to manhood made much of that possible.

 

[posthuman]

Jesus had to live as a human for a while. He had to experience life within human limits with all it's trials, temptations & weaknesses.

why?

did omniscient God lack knowledge or understanding?

 

[cv5]

why?

did omniscient God lack knowledge or understanding?

Experience. Boots on the ground so to speak.

 

[cv5]

Experience. Boots on the ground so to speak.

A necessary prerequisite to be the Last Adam.

 

[Beckie]

He would have been an apprentice to Joseph.
Love the idea of Him being the "carpenters son" then the journeymen carpenter building His Church...
God shows in every detail.

 

[Mem]

Something of textual and grammatical interest is written in the Hebrew text of Leviticus 1:1 in the Torah scroll. A small "alef" is written at the end of the word vayikra, "and he called."

 

[Webers.Home]

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● Matt 13:55 . . Is not this the carpenter's son?

● Mark 6:3 . . Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary

There lacks a consensus among scholars as to the correct translation of the
Greek word, but for sure it applies to artificers, i.e. folks who work with their
hands to make useful things, viz: craftsmen.

I think it's safe to assume Jesus learned the skills of his trade from Joseph,
and was employed in them up until the time of his calling at thirty years of
age. (Luke 3:21-23) In other words; young Jesus was capable of earning his
own living and/or contributing to the family's livelihood, viz: we have to
believe he was a good son.

● 1Tim 5:8 . . But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of
his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
(cf. Mark 7:10-13)

Even at the point of death, Jesus was thinking of his mom. (John 19:25-27)
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[cv5]

why?

did omniscient God lack knowledge or understanding?

Adam was a son and servant. Jesus, in His kenosis, walked the walk that Adam should have but did not.
By His victorious pilgrimage and shed blood, we likewise have a share in His victorious walk. We also share in His glorification.

Phl 2:7
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Phl 2:8
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled G5013 himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Phl 2:9
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

Jas 4:10
Humble yourselves G5013 in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
1Pe 5:6
Humble yourselves G5013 therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

why?

did omniscient God lack knowledge or understanding?

It isn't a matter of understanding alone. It's a bit like a legal requirement. God has demonstrated that Jesus knows the life of a man
by experience and can therefore administer his office as the high priest on our behalf.

~Hebrews 4

14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens—Jesus the Son of God—let us hold fast to our confession.

15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who has been tempted in every way as we are, yet without sin.

16 Therefore, let us approach the throne of grace with boldness, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in time of need.

 

[cv5]

It's a bit like a legal requirement.

Agree. All legal formalities and precidents necessary to qualify as the legal heir were fulfilled in His capacity as Last Adam. Patient endurance thru testing qualified Him as our Great High Priest.
Victory over the devil, sin, and death qualified Him as our Kinsman Redeemer.
Thereby bringing many sons to glory as seen in the glorified saints in heaven Rev ch 4&5.
Title deed to the inheritance taken in Rev ch 5.
Avenger of blood seen in His wrath against His enemies during the 70th week.
Commander of the Lord's Armies seen at His SC where He makes war in His conquest of the entire planet.

 

[oyster67]

What was Jesus doing in his early years on earth, before he began his God-given ministry? (Like when he was a teen and young adult), I know he was son of a carpenter, is that what he was doing before?

Carping, I suppose... and studying.

 

[Beckie]

Carping, I suppose... and studying.

'Carping" are you fishing for a reply?

 

[posthuman]

Experience. Boots on the ground so to speak.

Was God unqualified to judge mankind until He had taken humanity on Himself?
When Christ is making intercession for us in heaven, what does that look like?
is it, "you don't understand, God, but I've been there"?

Can He not relate to a heroin addict until He has also been addicted to heroin? can only the poor help the poor, or a sinner help others out of sin?

this is the common explanation, but I feel like this explanation gets absurd quickly when I explore it.

It's a bit like a legal requirement. God has demonstrated that Jesus knows the life of a man

this makes more sense to me.
That a priest is chosen from among the people, because a priest is an intermediary representing the people.

Hebrews is overwhelmingly priesthood / legal context - when it says He is able to comfort us in every way it is because He has faced every test we have faced, without sin.

He doesn't comfort us by saying 'yeah that was hard for me too bro hang in there' - which after all is small comfort, isn't it? - but by saying this is the way, walk in it, and by taking our place: He being victorious and perfect where I fail and stumble.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Jesus had to live as a human for a while. He had to experience life within human limits with all it's trials, temptations & weaknesses.

You can omit "weaknesses", since Christ was always both fully God and fully sinless man. That would automatically preclude weaknesses. The temptations were external, but there was nothing within Christ to respond to them. We can speculate all we want, but God would prefer that we do not speculate on the early years of Christ. The Gnostics did their foolish speculations and come up with some fantasies about Jesus of Nazareth. They also promoted some serious heresies.

 

[Liverpool]

You can omit "weaknesses", since Christ was always both fully God and fully sinless man. That would automatically preclude weaknesses. The temptations were external, but there was nothing within Christ to respond to them. We can speculate all we want, but God would prefer that we do not speculate on the early years of Christ. The Gnostics did their foolish speculations and come up with some fantasies about Jesus of Nazareth. They also promoted some serious heresies.

You’re right it can be dangerous. Darn my curiosity lol. I guess we can all ask Jesus when we’re in heaven