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did you forget the part where He took our sins upon Himself as if they were His own? He was the sacrificial Lamb Who was slain in our place.
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evyaniy
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and you guys were the ones saying the law did not call for His suicide when it was pointed out that the law required His death to save us to be obedient to the law and His Father.
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evyaniy
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Matthew 16:21
From that time forth began Yeshua to shew unto His disciples, how that He must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
From that time forth began Yeshua to shew unto His disciples, how that He must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
I agree that free will is not a design flaw. I said there was no design flaw, and the fact that Jesus became human and lived without sinning proves it was possible for Adam to live by faith and remain sinless, had he chose to keep his faith centred on God.
Your second rejoinder is nonsensical. God's love does not write off people for one sin
He has provided forgiveness by grace through faith after many sins.
How does the natural man choose such a thing without having his heart circumcized first?
The Gospel requires repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
The first allusion to Jesus (in regard to the gospel) in Scripture occurs after Adam and Eve sinned.
And then.... continuing to do that through out our entire life.
Matthew 24:13
he who endures to the end shall be saved
And the OSAS peoples claim Jesus didn't know what He was talking about because they say it matters not if one endures till the end or not as they continue their false claim that it's not possible to lose our salvation.
The reason they speak as they do is because they know it is Jesus who keeps them until the end. But you are correct that those who truly are His will not be found in habitual, unrepented sin. This doesn't make OSAS wrong. It simply means they are misrepresenting scripture.
But, Jesus does not force people to not do sin. He's not preventing that.
What the OSAS people claim is that even if one does live in sin, they are saved anyway which is a lie.
Gnarly Charlie Stanley wss a lading proponent of the false doctrines of OSAS and her claims one can be a "gay christian" and still be saved! This is in direct opposition to what God's Word teaches so Stanley is one of many preachers who are actuality mouth pieces for satan
Take a listen for your self...
Here's a video where you can see video of Charlies saying this (just a few minutes into the video)
In this video, Chalie says he's proud of Andy and supports him after heresy charges
Can a Person Live a Life of Sin and Remain Saved?
In his book, Eternal Security, Stanley says
"Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy” (Chapter 10, p. 93)
“Christ will not deny an unbelieving Christian his or her salvation because to do so would be to deny Himself” (p. 94).
“Believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation, for God remains faithful” (p. 94)
"Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy” (Chapter 10, p. 93)
“Christ will not deny an unbelieving Christian his or her salvation because to do so would be to deny Himself” (p. 94).
“Believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation, for God remains faithful” (p. 94)
Charles Stanley is doing exactly as I described. And you don't seem to understand what God is offering to us under the new covenant. We can only work out what God is working in us...Philippians 2:12-13. Our best efforts at obedience continue to fall short of obedience. That's because it's out of the abundance of our hearts, we behave. Since only God can work at the heart level, if he doesn't work, we will not change. Even if our outward behavior seems to be in obedience, our hearts can still remain far from God. We simply become as the Pharisees...whited sepulchers,but full of inward filth.
The only way to truly obey is to walk in the Spirit. In this estate, we live, but not us; Christ is living in us.
Yeah... being se free from sin as in ... STOP DOING SINFUL THINGS!
We can do all things thru Christ Who strengthens us... the security in keep on living in sin gospel is false doctrine.
Reckon the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ told Gnarly Charlie Stanley to teach one can be gay and still be saved?
Reckon the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ told Gnarly Charlie Stanley to say these false teachings in his book?
"Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy” (Chapter 10, p. 93)
“Christ will not deny an unbelieving Christian his or her salvation because to do so would be to deny Himself” (p. 94).
“Believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation, for God remains faithful” (p. 94)
The answer of course is NO!
You ascribe to others things they don't say. This surprises me to no end. You bear false witness against others with no regard for the law, and yet you condemn others for their sin. Have you repented of this sin or are you fallen away? Should I gently be rebuking a brother or sharing the gospel with you?
I've already told you that Charles Stanley's understanding of OSAS is wrong. No one who engages in habitual, unrepented sin is saved. This, however, does not make OSAS incorrect as a doctrine; it merely makes Stanley's understanding of it incorrect.
1 John 1:5-10 (ESV)
5 This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
5 This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.