Interesting verse Daniel 2:43 They are not of this earth?

[Dino246]

And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. Daniel 2:43. It is clear from the verse "they" are not people. They are not of this earth? A repeat of Genesis 6?

This passage is much clearer in the NIV, and does not lend itself to such wild speculation...

41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. 42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. 43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.

 

[Mem]

This passage is much clearer in the NIV, and does not lend itself to such wild speculation...

41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. 42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. 43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.

An endemic caste system might fit this description, perhaps?

 

[Dino246]

An endemic caste system might fit this description, perhaps?

Perhaps, but the best fit is the Roman Empire.

 

[Cameron143]

Perhaps, but the best fit is the Roman Empire.

Some are still waiting for the Playdough Empire.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

This passage is much clearer in the NIV, and does not lend itself to such wild speculation...

41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. 42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. 43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.

the image of it not holding together is about it being split apart after Greece took dominion from Persia greaves empire split apart and began warring against each other for the power it didn’t remain a untied kingdom , it’s splitting resulted in the rise of the Roman Empire later

Its world history Alexander the Great ect

 

[Mem]

Some are still waiting for the Playdough Empire.

That's just it tho, as per a previous comment something like, "the only known empire' or something like that, rejects that there are any possibilities of any other 'empires' that, indeed, are present in the world.

The Iron Age began around 1200 B.C. in the Mediterranean region and Near East with the collapse of several prominent Bronze Age civilizations...

 

[Cameron143]

That's just it tho, as per a previous comment something like, "the only known empire' or something like that, rejects that there are any possibilities of any other 'empires' that, indeed, are present in the world.

The Iron Age began around 1200 B.C. in the Mediterranean region and Near East with the collapse of several prominent Bronze Age civilizations...

There are no empires left. The scope of these kingdoms was massive. They included most of the known world and people groups. There exists no entity that even comes close today.

 

[MessengerofTruth]

It clearly states that there will be a mingling of seed Dan. 2:43

Even the Geneva bible states that they will mingle themselves with the seed of men.

 

[Mem]

There are no empires left. The scope of these kingdoms was massive. They included most of the known world and people groups. There exists no entity that even comes close today.

Ok, so there can only be a couple of big toes?

 

[Cameron143]

Ok, so there can only be a couple of big toes?

There are plenty of big toes but the ones mentioned were probably Roman rulers.

 

[cv5]

This passage is much clearer in the NIV, and does not lend itself to such wild speculation...

41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. 42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. 43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.

Whatever the various opinions, there WILL be an astounding devastating massive demonic incursion during the 70th week tribulation.
A phenomenon which, of course, runs somewhat parallel with that of the days of Noah.

Which is why prosaic banter about ("end-time") mere kingdoms of mere men just don't square with Scripture.

Rev 16:13
And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Rev 16:14
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

The BIBLICALLY described end-time (actually it is better described as the "beginning-time" of the DOTL) scenario is driven primarily by Satan and his demon hoards that have been intentionally released from the pit.

Luk 8:31
And they begged Him that He would not command them to go out into the abyss.

Rev 9:1
And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
Rev 9:2
And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
Rev 9:3
And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

 

[MessengerofTruth]

Ok, so there can only be a couple of big toes?

It seems to line up perfectly with the 10 kings from Revelation, don't you think.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

That's just it tho, as per a previous comment something like, "the only known empire' or something like that, rejects that there are any possibilities of any other 'empires' that, indeed, are present in the world.

The Iron Age began around 1200 B.C. in the Mediterranean region and Near East with the collapse of several prominent Bronze Age civilizations...

It happened then after Jesus was crucified . But what some don’t realize is the eighth king whomis the head of the beast that appears to be wounded to death but lives , he comes back again in the end with ten kings who he rules over

The seven headed beast ends at rome but one of his heads called “ the beast who was , is not and yet shall ascend out of the pit to perdition “

A sample , this part is about the second coming of the beast

“And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of Lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:11-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thats the part that hasn’t happened yet the seven headed beast began with Babylon on daniels time and ended with Romes demise.

aim the end a ruler who is like Nero of rome (who slaughtered the early church , )in spirit will rise up ruling over ten other nations three of those nations will fall leaving eight kings

But the seven kings are about then ( from Babylon to Rome )and the ten horns on the beast who returns from the abyss are about the future

 

[Mem]

It happened then after Jesus was crucified . But what some don’t realize is the eighth king whomis the head of the beast that appears to be wounded to death but lives , he comes back again in the end with ten kings who he rules over

The seven headed beast ends at rome but one of his heads called “ the beast who was , is not and yet shall ascend out of the pit to perdition “

A sample , this part is about the second coming of the beast

“And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of Lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:11-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thats the part that hasn’t happened yet the seven headed beast began with Babylon on daniels time and ended with Romes demise.

aim the end a ruler who is like Nero of rome (who slaughtered the early church , )in spirit will rise up ruling over ten other nations three of those nations will fall leaving eight kings

But the seven kings are about then ( from Babylon to Rome )and the ten horns on the beast who returns from the abyss are about the future

I do have my theories about the little horn, someone that otherwise seems "tiny,' or rather obscure in comparison to the other ten horns. But I don't know the specifics well enough to elaborate further.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I do have my theories about the little horn, someone that otherwise seems "tiny,' or rather obscure in comparison to the other ten horns. But I don't know the specifics well enough to elaborate further.

God bless brother

remember Daniel sees four beasts but they have seven heads and ten horns and one is different from all the others. And we know Babylon is the first head because Daniel told him in chapter 2 but Daniel is particularly interested in the fourth kingdom the last one that is different from all the others and wars against the saints and overcomes then for a time

“After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it:

and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7:7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭8:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

John is seeing the vision after five kingdoms have already risen and fallen Daniel was writing when Babylon began its rule the first head johns vision adds revealed details


“And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: ( daniels description of the four beasts he saw ) and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.( the one who’s different from all the others )

And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? (this powerful world leader )

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:1-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The beast that thou sawest was, ( past )

and is not;( in johns day ) and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: ( future appearance after he’s thrown into the pit he returns later to kill the two witnesses see chapter 11)

and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, ( the seven headed beast from daniels time to johns time ) and is not, and yet is. ( the beast with ten horns to come in the future and war with Christ and lose and the same little horn in the other vision that appears among the ten horns )

And there are seven kings: ( seven heads of the beast ) five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.



And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. ( the little horn arising from the ten )

These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of Lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:8, 10-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. and of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7:8, 20-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they are seeing the same events from two different perspectives other add to it also four horns , four carpenters ect other prophets had visions of the same thing that also add details

Then lifted I up mine eyes, and saw, and behold four horns.( kings ) And I said unto the angel that talked with me, What be these? And he answered me, These are the horns which have scattered Judah, Israel, and Jerusalem.

And the LORD shewed me four carpenters. Then said I, What come these to do? And he spake, saying, These are the horns which have scattered Judah, so that no man did lift up his head:

but these are come to fray them, to cast out the horns of the Gentiles, which lifted up their horn over the land of Judah to scatter it.”

‭‭Zechariah‬

what happened to Jerusalem in ad 70 is going to happen again to the whole world

 

[MessengerofTruth]

God bless brother

remember Daniel sees four beasts but they have seven heads and ten horns and one is different from all the others. And we know Babylon is the first head because Daniel told him in chapter 2 but Daniel is particularly interested in the fourth kingdom the last one that is different from all the others and wars against the saints and overcomes then for a time

“After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it:

and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7:7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭8:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

John is seeing the vision after five kingdoms have already risen and fallen Daniel was writing when Babylon began its rule the first head johns vision adds revealed details


“And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: ( daniels description of the four beasts he saw ) and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.( the one who’s different from all the others )

And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? (this powerful world leader )

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:1-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The beast that thou sawest was, ( past )

and is not;( in johns day ) and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: ( future appearance after he’s thrown into the pit he returns later to kill the two witnesses see chapter 11)

and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, ( the seven headed beast from daniels time to johns time ) and is not, and yet is. ( the beast with ten horns to come in the future and war with Christ and lose and the same little horn in the other vision that appears among the ten horns )

And there are seven kings: ( seven heads of the beast ) five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.



And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. ( the little horn arising from the ten )

These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of Lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:8, 10-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. and of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7:8, 20-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they are seeing the same events from two different perspectives other add to it also four horns , four carpenters ect other prophets had visions of the same thing that also add details

Then lifted I up mine eyes, and saw, and behold four horns.( kings ) And I said unto the angel that talked with me, What be these? And he answered me, These are the horns which have scattered Judah, Israel, and Jerusalem.

And the LORD shewed me four carpenters. Then said I, What come these to do? And he spake, saying, These are the horns which have scattered Judah, so that no man did lift up his head:

but these are come to fray them, to cast out the horns of the Gentiles, which lifted up their horn over the land of Judah to scatter it.”

‭‭Zechariah‬

what happened to Jerusalem in ad 70 is going to happen again to the whole world

And that Western wall standing is the Guarantee...

 

[Pilgrimshope]

And that Western wall standing is the Guarantee...

The western wall isn’t going to last

“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

..looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 10, 12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In Gods kingdom there is no man made temple or buildings and its land is all of the earth not only a small eastern nation

israel is being restored for sure but not to what they used to be , but through Christ they are born and there’s no temple , they are his temple

 

[Rondonmon]

Daniel interprets the dream

Yes, but notice he says wheresoever men lay their head Nebuchadnezzar shall rule over them, and that the Greek king shall rule the "WHOLE EARTH" but it really means the "WHOLE LAND DEPICTED" via the Beasts coming out of the Great (Mediterranean) Sea. So, it was never about the whole earth, but only about the Mediterranean Sea Region (MSR). People MISS THIS the Anti-Christ will only rule over the E.U. and those nations he is shown to conquer in Dan. 11:40-43, Syria, Israel, Lebanon, Jordan and all of North Africa. One we het this we can understand when Revelation says the Anti-Christ rules the whole world, it means the whole land being spoken of, just like Greece and Babylon. Jesus own ministry was limited to Israel for a reason.

Dan. 7:3 says ALL THE Beasts were diverse, so then what does it mean in Dan. 7:23-25?

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth(Rome), which shall be diverse from all kingdoms(of course ALL were diverse), and shall devour the whole earth(MSR), and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise(10 means COMPLETION, thus this 10 simply means the E.U. completely reunited): and another(A.C.) shall rise after them(He is born in the E.U. in Greece so says Dan. 8:9.......BUT WATCH NOW); and he shall be diverse from the first(Rome), and he shall subdue three kings. (SEE THAT? There is a 5th Beast in Dan. 7, it is a MAN, thus as we read Dan. 7:11 now we can understand why it says the Beasts BODY will be destroyed and he will be cast into hellfire. Thus Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia and Greece are the 5 kings that fell, Rome was the one that STILL WAS or the 6th Beast, and the ONE TO COME is of course the coming Anti-Christ or 7th Beast)

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Once we see the HE in verse 24 it should click in, HE(A.C.) is DIFFERENT from THE FIRST (Rome). Meaning TWO BEASTS come from the Fourth Beast, one a Kingdom with many rulers and one a Ruler who rules what? A SHORT TIME !!

The 8th King is Apollyon, a Demon who was over all 6 Kingdoms, then placed in the Bottomless Pit during the Church Age, but who will be released at the 1st Woe, thus at that time he will be OF THE SEVEN, and he is an 8th (King of the Pit). But NOTICE, the Scarlet Colored Beast has NO CROWNS in Revelation 17, meanwhile the Dragon Beast n Rev. 12 has 7 CROWNS and the Man Beast (A.C.) in Rev. 13 has 10 CROWNS !! He is an 8th King (Bottomless Pit) and is of the 7.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes, but notice he says wheresoever men lay their head Nebuchadnezzar shall rule over them, and that the Greek king shall rule the "WHOLE EARTH" but it really means the "WHOLE LAND DEPICTED" via the Beasts coming out of the Great (Mediterranean) Sea. So, it was never about the whole earth, but only about the Mediterranean Sea Region (MSR). People MISS THIS the Anti-Christ will only rule over the E.U. and those nations he is shown to conquer in Dan. 11:40-43, Syria, Israel, Lebanon, Jordan and all of North Africa. One we het this we can understand when Revelation says the Anti-Christ rules the whole world, it means the whole land being spoken of, just like Greece and Babylon. Jesus own ministry was limited to Israel for a reason.

Dan. 7:3 says ALL THE Beasts were diverse, so then what does it mean in Dan. 7:23-25?

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth(Rome), which shall be diverse from all kingdoms(of course ALL were diverse), and shall devour the whole earth(MSR), and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise(10 means COMPLETION, thus this 10 simply means the E.U. completely reunited): and another(A.C.) shall rise after them(He is born in the E.U. in Greece so says Dan. 8:9.......BUT WATCH NOW); and he shall be diverse from the first(Rome), and he shall subdue three kings. (SEE THAT? There is a 5th Beast in Dan. 7, it is a MAN, thus as we read Dan. 7:11 now we can understand why it says the Beasts BODY will be destroyed and he will be cast into hellfire. Thus Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia and Greece are the 5 kings that fell, Rome was the one that STILL WAS or the 6th Beast, and the ONE TO COME is of course the coming Anti-Christ or 7th Beast)

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Once we see the HE in verse 24 it should click in, HE(A.C.) is DIFFERENT from THE FIRST (Rome). Meaning TWO BEASTS come from the Fourth Beast, one a Kingdom with many rulers and one a Ruler who rules what? A SHORT TIME !!

The 8th King is Apollyon, a Demon who was over all 6 Kingdoms, then placed in the Bottomless Pit during the Church Age, but who will be released at the 1st Woe, thus at that time he will be OF THE SEVEN, and he is an 8th (King of the Pit). But NOTICE, the Scarlet Colored Beast has NO CROWNS in Revelation 17, meanwhile the Dragon Beast n Rev. 12 has 7 CROWNS and the Man Beast (A.C.) in Rev. 13 has 10 CROWNS !! He is an 8th King (Bottomless Pit) and is of the 7.

Yeah that's an interesting theory for sure to read through and think about


My opinion of Revelation isn't chronological and or linear in nature it's like Daniel it has several visions layered upon one another creating a fuller understanding of the events being described within each separate vision there is a linear nature bit not from vision to vision

 

[Rondonmon]

Yeah that's an interesting theory for sure to read through and think about


My opinion of Revelation isn't chronological and or linear in nature it's like Daniel it has several visions layered upon one another creating a fuller understanding of the events being described within each separate vision there is a linear nature bit not from vision to vision

Correct, it runs like this Rev. 1 is simply Jesus the Eternal God/Redeemer being seen in all of his glory.

Then we get the Rev. 2 and 3 Church Age followed by the 70t week chapters which are jumbled together on purpose, we can eventually pick out God's linear Wrath, but its not in order via the chapters.

Rev. 4, 5 and 6 is Jesus in Heaven with the Church, shown as Worthy to open the Seals which bring the Judgments which only start in Rev. 8.Those Seals are opened in Rev. 6 but this is not God's Wrath, it is Jesus opening the Seals and foretelling what God's Wrath will bring. Seals 1-5 ALL depict the Ant-Christs rule and dictates. 1.) He Conquers 2.) Brings War 3.) Which bring Famine 4.) And Death/Sickness and finally he 5.) Martyrs the Saints who come to Christ after the Rapture. Seal #6 is Jesus foretelling of God's coming Wrath which DARKENS the Sun and Moon just like Joel 2:31 also prophesies, but we only see this after the 7th Seal is opened in Rev. 8.

Rev. 7 is simply the Jews fleeing Judea at the 1290, which happens 30 days before God's Wrath falls, only at that point is the A.C. allowed to go forth (1) Conquering. The angel is told to HOLD UP the four winds (God's Wrath) which hurt the Earth, Sea and Trees (in Rev. 8 we see what that is, an Asteroid Impact). Thus BEFORE God's Wrath falls He mandated the Jews who repent (the 1/3 in Zech. 13:8-9) be allowed to repent and flee unto safety BEFORE His wrath can fall. NOW we see the 42 months of God's Wrath.

Rev. 8, 9 and 15&16 (really one chapter) is God's 42 months of Wrath or better known as the DOTL. So, why is 15 and 16 one chapter? Because in Rev. 8 we see the Trumpets READIED to be sounded in Heaven, and its one chapter. In Rev. 15 we see the Vials READIED to be poured out in Heaven.

The rest are Parenthetical Citation Chapters which mostly happen over the 42 months of God's Wrath.

Rev. 10 is simply another way to tell about the 7 Trumps via 7 Thunders, thus it covers 42 months also.

Rev. 11 covers 1335 days unless we only count whilst the Two-witnesses live, then t only covers 1260 days plus the 3.5 days that it takes to raise them, but we are SHOWN the 3rd Woe (7th Trump) that they pray down brings Victory. So, they show up 1335 days before the 2nd Coming and they die 75 days before the 2nd coming. Thus their ministry lasts 1260 days.

Rev. 12, and 13 of course covers the full 1260 days of God's Wrath. Satan is cast down at that time and the Anti-Christ goes forth conquering, so when God's Wrath HITS in Rev. 8 these two chapters are parallel events, told from another perspective of what is going on.

Rev. 14 covers the full 7 years but only because its The Harvest Chapter. We see Jesus shows up to save the Jews (144,000 is code for ALL Jews who repent, just as the 7000 is, we know its 1/3 of the end time Jews who repent however) and thus they are seen on Mount Zion, but its a metaphor of Jesus ruling with the Jews for 1000 years, he WILL (eventually) Harvest them into His Fathers barn, but only after he defeats the Wicked as seen in verses 17-20, via the Wine-press of His Wrath (as seen in Rev. 16:19 via the REAL TIME EVENTS). BUT......in verse 14 we see a FLASHBACK to the Pre Trib Rapture where Jesus himself Harvests the Bride (Barley). Israel are the Wheat, the Wicked are seen as Grapes.

Rev. 17 lasts for 42 months, it starts for via Rev. 8, this is about the Harlot getting killed off (ALL False Religion of all time) and thus it lasts as long as the Anti-Christ rules (42 months).

Rev. 18 also starts via the Rev. 8 Asteroid Impact. It is Babylon (Whole World) getting Judged by God's 42 months of Wrath.

Rev. 19 lasts for 7 full years just like Rev. 14, we see the Bride in Heaven BEFORE she ever marries Jesus, then we see her (us the Church) return with Jesus on White Horses for Armageddon (Marriage Supper)

Rev. 20, 21 and 22 are of course all happening AFTER the 70th week.