Omitted verses.

[Edify]

Aaaamen!

Sorry, lost my composure there.

 

[John146]

According to your fallacious reasoning, perhaps. In the real world, I have no need to make such categorizations.

In the real world, we are commanded to live by every word of God. Close is not good enough.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

The people who are cutting up the Bible are gonna be in serious trouble one day. The warning at the end of the book of Revelation to someone who adds or takes away is nothing to play with. I don't know if that warning is for all scripture or just that particular book.

Has any verses in Revelation been tampered with in some translations?

While I wouldn't tamper with any scripture and would strongly advise against doing so, the warning in Revelation is regarding
The Book of Revelation, not the whole canon of scripture.

The warning is for "everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll" or book.

The Book of Revelation is unique in that it contains a blessing for those who read it aloud and those who hear it ( 1:3 )
And a curse for those who add to or take away from it. (22: 18-19)

Translating from one language to another cannot be defined as tampering btw.

 

[John146]

You might, as most people do, defer to the expertise of those who study these things, and focus your attention on living for God rather than fussing over minutiae that does little to affect your daily walk with the Lord or benefit the world.

Truth is important to God no matter how minute one thinks., whether it's how many disciples did Jesus send out, or who killed Goliath. Truth is important. If it was important enough to be in his word, then I believe it is important enough to read and study. If the word of truth has errors, it ceases to be the word of truth.

 

[John146]

While I wouldn't tamper with any scripture and would strongly advise against doing so, the warning in Revelation is regarding
The Book of Revelation, not the whole canon of scripture.

The warning is for "everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll" or book.

The Book of Revelation is unique in that it contains a blessing for those who read it aloud and those who hear it ( 1:3 )
And a curse for those who add to or take away from it. (22: 18-19)

Translating from one language to another cannot be defined as tampering btw.

I'm pretty sure God does not want his words tampered with.

Beginning: Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Middle: Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

End: Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

[Seeker47]

As I have mentioned before the KJV is my first book of reference, but even so I rely on none of the Second Testament translations to determine validity. For that test I find it necessary to reference the question against the First Testament.

An example of a controversial passage is John 8:2-11. This has been eliminated from some versions but is clearly supported by the First Testament passages found in Numbers 5:11-28. That is my test.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I'm pretty sure God does not want his words tampered with.

Beginning: Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Middle: Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

End: Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.[/QUOTE
You beat me to it.
I always cringe when I hear the latest so called prophets pull a "thus saith the Lord".

The list of extra-biblical "prophetic utterances" and Watch Tower Society magazines exceed the Apocryphal books in number.

 

[Magenta]

In the real world, we are commanded to live by every word of God. Close is not good enough.

From Matthew 4:4

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

From Matthew 4:4

You remember when the serpent said, "Ye, hath God said?..."

Matthew 4:4 (magnum.....BOOM!)
That reminds me of a boot to the head of the serpent.

 

[Raggedcloth]

Enter "the Johannine Comma" into your search engine and see the results. I believe that is what you are referring to.

Here are some links SUPPORTING this passage as authentic. And the Holy Spirit Himself assures us that it is authentic.

https://av1611.com/kjbp/faq/holland_1jo5_7.html

https://www.kjvtoday.com/johannine-comma-1-john-57/

Thank you. I hadn't come across that one, it's very interesting and I will research it and reflect on it. But....I wish to know how to research any verse's origin. Maybe I'm asking which manuscripts that our Bibles were translated from are considered canonical. I'm not interested in tampering with the Bible, I'm interested in finely dividing it. Also I'm not "focusing on trivia" as someone else said, because these supposed verses are powerful and are true to their context. Any help out there?

 

[Dino246]

If the word of truth has errors, it ceases to be the word of truth.

So you should abandon the KJV as it has errors.

Of course you won't, because you are brainwashed into believing that the KJV is without error, and will uphold ridiculous non-explanations to defend your cultic belief.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Thank you. I hadn't come across that one, it's very interesting and I will research it and reflect on it. But....I wish to know how to research any verse's origin. Maybe I'm asking which manuscripts that our Bibles were translated from are considered canonical. I'm not interested in tampering with the Bible, I'm interested in finely dividing it. Also I'm not "focusing on trivia" as someone else said, because these supposed verses are powerful and are true to their context. Any help out there?

I'd like to help but I'm still not exactly clear what you're after. In your original post you said you have an inferior internet connection at your local library. What do you mean by this? Is it slow? Unreliable; get disconnected? Some websites blocked?

I'll take a stab on the manuscripts question. There are basically two manuscript groups: 1) Byzantine/Majority Text. This is the group the King James and New King James versions come from. The underlying Greek manuscript for these versions is the Textus Receptus; 2) The Critical Text. Virtually every other English translation is based wholly or in part on it. The two main manuscripts used by the Critical Text are Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus. The Greek text compiled from these, and which is in use today, is called the NA/UBS Greek New Testament.

Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus lack some words and passages that are in the Textus Receptus; this accounts for omitted verses and variant readings in newer English translations.

I hope this helps; it's a brief overview but if you have more questions just ask.

 

[Raggedcloth]

Some things to consider...

In order to assert rightly that a verse has been "omitted", one must establish that it belonged originally. Otherwise, it has been added, which is just as great an error.

Many people (some who have already commented) are convinced that the KJV is the standard against which all other versions are to be judged. That view is merely an opinion with no objective truth to it.

There has been a massive amount of work done both on discovering manuscripts and on examining/comparing them in the last couple of centuries. This knowledge should not be taken lightly, and should not be characterized on the basis of one or two individuals.

It is challenging to determine which verses actually belong in Scripture. You might, as most people do, defer to the expertise of those who study these things, and focus your attention on living for God rather than fussing over minutiae that does little to affect your daily walk with the Lord or benefit the world.

I'd like to help but I'm still not exactly clear what you're after. In your original post you said you have an inferior internet connection at your local library. What do you mean by this? Is it slow? Unreliable; get disconnected? Some websites blocked?

I'll take a stab on the manuscripts question. There are basically two manuscript groups: 1) Byzantine/Majority Text. This is the group the King James and New King James versions come from. The underlying Greek manuscript for these versions is the Textus Receptus; 2) The Critical Text. Virtually every other English translation is based wholly or in part on it. The two main manuscripts used by the Critical Text are Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus. The Greek text compiled from these, and which is in use today, is called the NA/UBS Greek New Testament.

Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus lack some words and passages that are in the Textus Receptus; this accounts for omitted verses and variant readings in newer English translations.

I hope this helps; it's a brief overview but if you have more questions just ask.

Yes I know it's brief, the body of knowledge is huge and I'm no scholar, and have little time left in my carnal life. May I assume that the works you presented are considered canonical? Until I hear back from you I will assume so. Thank you so much. Now I can start digging into this. My problem with the internet is that I live in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada and only have a cell phone to sporadically connect with the internet (I'm surrounded by very tall trees, and tall mountains that block signals, and I can't afford the technology required to get actual internet at my home) and the local library is 10 mi away and I can reserve computers for only one hour at a time. I want to assure you that I don't think this idea I have is a big deal, it won't alter my understanding of the Bible. I have faith that God has already sufficiently provided me with his Word since I already have several English translations. What I want to find out is exactly this: If these two or three verses are present in canonical manuscripts from which my Bible is constructed, then I would like to know for sure by examining the original manuscripts. The reason I hesitate offer those supposed verses is that someone with less faith might make the wrong decision about them, and stumble. Again, thank you.

 

[Raggedcloth]

Yes I know it's brief, the body of knowledge is huge and I'm no scholar, and have little time left in my carnal life. May I assume that the works you presented are considered canonical? Until I hear back from you I will assume so. Thank you so much. Now I can start digging into this. My problem with the internet is that I live in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada and only have a cell phone to sporadically connect with the internet (I'm surrounded by very tall trees, and tall mountains that block signals, and I can't afford the technology required to get actual internet at my home) and the local library is 10 mi away and I can reserve computers for only one hour at a time. I want to assure you that I don't think this idea I have is a big deal, it won't alter my understanding of the Bible. I have faith that God has already sufficiently provided me with his Word since I already have several English translations. What I want to find out is exactly this: If these two or three verses are present in canonical manuscripts from which my Bible is constructed, then I would like to know for sure by examining the original manuscripts. The reason I hesitate offer those supposed verses is that someone with less faith might make the wrong decision about them, and stumble. Again, thank you.

If these verses turn out to be legit, I will indeed present them here for the purpose of high criticism by the Body Of Christ.

 

[Magenta]

Yes I know it's brief, the body of knowledge is huge and I'm no scholar, and have little time left in my carnal life. May I assume that the works you presented are considered canonical? Until I hear back from you I will assume so. Thank you so much. Now I can start digging into this. My problem with the internet is that I live in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada and only have a cell phone to sporadically connect with the internet (I'm surrounded by very tall trees, and tall mountains that block signals, and I can't afford the technology required to get actual internet at my home) and the local library is 10 mi away and I can reserve computers for only one hour at a time. I want to assure you that I don't think this idea I have is a big deal, it won't alter my understanding of the Bible. I have faith that God has already sufficiently provided me with his Word since I already have several English translations. What I want to find out is exactly this: If these two or three verses are present in canonical manuscripts from which my Bible is constructed, then I would like to know for sure by examining the original manuscripts. The reason I hesitate offer those supposed verses is that someone with less faith might make the wrong decision about them, and stumble. Again, thank you.

Here we have Starbucks everywhere, and they offer free wifi, as do many other places, especially those places where people sit and stay a while. Do you have any coffee shops or something similar near you where this might also be the case? Some time ago I used to take my laptop to my local neighbourhood coffee shop just for a change of scenery while I enjoyed my coffee and Cuban sandwich .. Gosh, it's been a long time since I've done that... .. Kudos to you for trying to make it work with just a phone and poor reception...

 

[ResidentAlien]

I'm not sure what you mean by "canonical." If you mean are there certain manuscripts that are accepted as authoritative like the 66 books of the Bible are considered authoritative, then I'd have to say no; the answer you get will depend on who you ask. All you can do really is research each manuscript family and come to your own conclusions. Basically it boils down to Textus Receptus/Majority Text vs. NA/UBS Greek New Testament. If you want to research it I'd start there.

You might be able to find some books in your local library; or if not they might be able to order something for you through interlibrary loan.

 

[Raggedcloth]

Here we have Starbucks everywhere, and they offer free wifi, as do many other places, especially those places where people sit and stay a while. Do you have any coffee shops or something similar near you where this might also be the case? Some time ago I used to take my laptop to my local neighbourhood coffee shop just for a change of scenery while I enjoyed my coffee and Cuban sandwich .. Gosh, it's been a long time since I've done that... .. Kudos to you for trying to make it work with just a phone and poor reception...

Yes but only a cheap Android phone which us very hard to operate since my right hand is 50% paralyzed. Want me to have better tech buy it for me. I can't spend my food money on it, so I lean on my brothers and sisters in Christ.

 

[Aaron56]

For fun, I pretended the title said "Omelette verses" so I looked up verses about eggs.

Here's one:

"Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion?"

Of course, this is totally ridiculous.

[searches for "toast" in Bible concordance]

 

[Karlon]

Hello. I came across some information that said some verses were left out of the Bible in the book of John, by an unknown "they" as in "they" left these verses out. I don't want to quote those supposed verses here, at least right now, but I do want to ask: how would someone go about researching something like that? (I have very inferior internet access except at the local library.)

it may be difficult to find a reliable source but they are out there that tell the truth which bibles omit verses. for example, the NIV has omitted 30-40 verses, don't know the exact #. But know this: all born again Christians are indwell with the Holy Spirit. read 2nd Thessalonians 2:7 & 15. Plus John 16;13. the KJ Bible is known as God's Bible as the His Holy Spirit authored it. Many people don't know that the Holy Spirit authored the Bible & there is no way that God would have us without His true word for all of humanity.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Yes but only a cheap Android phone which us very hard to operate since my right hand is 50% paralyzed. Want me to have better tech buy it for me. I can't spend my food money on it, so I lean on my brothers and sisters in Christ.

You might try Missing In Modern Bibles by Jack Moorman. Here's a link to a downloadable PDF: https://kjvpure.org/kjvpure/MissingInModernBibles.pdf