"What must I do to be saved?"

[Nehemiah6]

It's not inconsistent necessarily to believe in election and preach the gospel.

There is no such thing as election unto salvation or damnation. Election is all about perfection and glorification. Since God desires the salvation of all mankind, He cannot violate that by electing only some for salvation. As a matter of fact that would be a total perversion of the Gospel, which is meant to go into all the world, and be preached to every creature.

 

[John146]

It's not inconsistent necessarily to believe in election and preach the gospel.
Faith still comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
Not to preach the gospel is directly contrary to a command of Jesus.
Tares look alot like wheat. So even the most ardent and discerning of your "frozen chosen" wouldn't know who would need to hear the gospel.

If no one preaches, will the elect still get saved?

 

[Wansvic]

Hello Oyster. I love this scripture that the bible gives three times:
Joel 2:32 Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved
Acts 2:21 Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved
Romans 10:13 Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved

Amen, God Bless

Consider what the scripture references concerning calling upon the name of the Lord:

Jesus sent Ananias to tell Paul what he must do: "Why tarriest thou? arise and be baptized and wash away thy sins calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16

Those at Pentecost asked what they must do. Peter tells them to repent and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for remission of sin. (Acts 2:38-41)

An angel told Cornelius to call for Peter and he would tell him how to be saved. Peter commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus. (Acts 10:43, 47-48)

 

[Wansvic]

Hello Oyster. I love this scripture that the bible gives three times:
Joel 2:32 Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved
Acts 2:21 Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved
Romans 10:13 Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved

Amen, God Bless

Consider what the scripture references concerning calling upon the name of the Lord:

Jesus sent Ananias to tell Paul what he must do: "Why tarriest thou? arise and be baptized and wash away thy sins calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16

Those at Pentecost asked what they must do. Peter tells them to repent and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for remission of sin. (Acts 2:38-41)

An angel told Cornelius to call for Peter and he would tell him how to be saved. Peter commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus. (Acts 10:43, 47-48)

 

[Wansvic]

So that the determining factor is to believe which is for salvation even without water baptism. Thank you

The eunuch response to Philip's message below speaks to Jesus statement in Mark 15:16; Go into all the world and preach the gospel. Those who believe and are baptized shall be saved.

"Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God." Acts 8:35-37

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

We need to keep this in context. The one baptism mentioned here is the baptism with the Holy Spirit. In this baptism Christ is the Baptizer, and John the Baptizer made this very clear right at the the start. This is the gift of the Holy Spirit. But that does not nullify water baptism in the least. So for Christians there are in fact TWO baptisms, one internal and one external.

in Context it is through the one faith. the gospel. there is only one baptism that matters

Water baptism, Like circumcision, is a symbol of that which truly washes us though the spiritual baptism of God. Its only alot less painful, and females can participate

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Lol “sovereign grace.”

Any argument possible to avoid what Jesus taught

Harmonizing scriptures reveal biblical truths.

 

[Wansvic]

“How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?” Heb 2:3-4

Jesus said that he who believes and is baptized shall be saved. (Mark 16:15-16, John 7:38)
Jesus said repentance and remission of sins would be preached in His name to all nations BEGINNING in Jerusalem. (Luke 24:45-47)
Jesus declared that he who believes, as the scripture says, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water; referring to the Holy Ghost. (John 7:38-39)
Jesus gave Peter, who first declared Jesus was the Christ, the key(s) to the kingdom. (Matt 16:18-19) Peter preached the message that opened the door to the kingdom to the Jews on the Day of Pentecost, (Acts 2:-42) the Gentiles, (Acts 10:43-48) and assisted in the Samaritans being indwelt by the Holy Ghost. (Acts 8:12-18)

 

[John146]

It's not inconsistent necessarily to believe in election and preach the gospel.
Faith still comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
Not to preach the gospel is directly contrary to a command of Jesus.
Tares look alot like wheat. So even the most ardent and discerning of your "frozen chosen" wouldn't know who would need to hear the gospel.

If I tell a lost person, a person who is not a part of the so-called elect, and tell them salvation is available to them through Jesus Christ...wouldn't I be lying to that person?

 

[John146]

Harmonizing scriptures reveal biblical truths.

Rightly dividing the word of truth brings about doctrine set forth to different audiences.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Umm, this simply means you don't believed what the Bible says as provided in the OP and in Ephesians 1:13 " In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the gospel, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after ye believed..." Address this please. Thank you

The scriptures of Ephesians 1:1-13, are addressed by Paul , to the faithful in Christ Jesus and not to the natural man who cannot discern the things of the Spirit.

Hearing and understanding the gospel is not something that the natural man can discern, and thinks it to be foolishness (1 Cor 2:14).

Only God's sheep hear the gospel (John 10:267-29). There is a deliverance (salvation), here in time, when a child of God comes unto a knowledge of the truth (1 Tim 2:4 - the all men are those that Timothy is instructing to teach no other doctrine in 1 Tim 1:3)

If you insist on applying all of the salvation scriptures to eternal salvation, they will tend to teach you that your eternal deliverance is accomplished by your good works.

There are many deliverances that the born again children receives by their good works, in following God's commandments, as they sojourn here in this world.

Salvation, according to Greek definition, means a deliverance.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Rightly dividing the word of truth brings about doctrine set forth to different audiences.

Rightly dividing the word of truth brings about the doctrine that Jesus taught, and is set forth to like minded children of God, which is the remnant of the household of God.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Even if they do believe, water baptism will not save them

It will not deliver them eternally, but it will deliver (save) them from their guilty conscience.

 

[Cameron143]

There is no such thing as election unto salvation or damnation. Election is all about perfection and glorification. Since God desires the salvation of all mankind, He cannot violate that by electing only some for salvation. As a matter of fact that would be a total perversion of the Gospel, which is meant to go into all the world, and be preached to every creature.

I appreciate your point of view and that you took the time to share your understanding.
I wasn't giving my personal point of view. I was merely pointing out that what many see as an apparent contradiction logically actually isn't.
One of the reasons I don't care to have my posts partially quoted is that often when they are, it isolates one thought from several others that are necessary for context. I have no problem if a part is isolated so long as the entire post is included.
If you find it helpful to break up text to make a point, as many do, I don't want to hinder your ease of communication. But please, somewhere in the body of the text, give the entire quote.

 

[Cameron143]

If no one preaches, will the elect still get saved?

No one gets saved apart from the word of God. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Since it has pleased God to employ the foolishness of preaching as the means to deliver the gospel and save people, preaching is necessary.
God can do otherwise if He chooses. He's not limited as many suppose. Or He can come and share the gospel directly, as is sometimes the case.
Do you know why God chose the gospel as opposed to other methods for salvation?

 

[Wansvic]

I...

But I honestly don’t read anything that says” if you haven’t been baptized you can’t be saved ...

Have you ever noticed the condition expressed by Paul in Rom. 6:5. He said IF a person is planted together in the likeness of Jesus death through baptism they shall also be in the likeness of his resurrection.

"Know ye not that so many OF US as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin."

 

[Cameron143]

If I tell a lost person, a person who is not a part of the so-called elect, and tell them salvation is available to them through Jesus Christ...wouldn't I be lying to that person?

It's a great debate question to highlight different views people hold about salvation but it's immaterial to the discussion in my opinion.
Jesus gave a command to go into all the world and preach the gospel. He didn't give each person a list of people to go and preach to.

 

[John146]

No one gets saved apart from the word of God. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Since it has pleased God to employ the foolishness of preaching as the means to deliver the gospel and save people, preaching is necessary.
God can do otherwise if He chooses. He's not limited as many suppose. Or He can come and share the gospel directly, as is sometimes the case.
Do you know why God chose the gospel as opposed to other methods for salvation?

The simple message of the gospel is not about works (for the Jew) and doesn't make sense from a philosophical view point (for the Greek).

 

[John146]

It's a great debate question to highlight different views people hold about salvation but it's immaterial to the discussion in my opinion.
Jesus gave a command to go into all the world and preach the gospel. He didn't give each person a list of people to go and preach to.

Lying to people is still a sin, is it not?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

If no one preaches, will the elect still get saved?

The majority of the elect have not come unto a knowledge of the truth of the gospel, as evidenced here on this forum.

Christ died to redeem those that God gave him (his elect, John 6:39). Their eternal deliverance was promised by Christ's death on the cross.

The remnant of the household of spiritual Israel, are instructed to teach and preach to the lost sheep of the household of spiritual Israel, to bring them unto a knowledge of the truth, which will deliver (save) them, here in time, as they sojourn here on earth.