"What must I do to be saved?"

[Wansvic]

I agree baptism for remission of sins is part of the gospel and a part of the process all Christian’s are meant to go through being made a new creation , but also some who werent baptized for remission in Christs name have been saved such as the saints who died before Jesus and slept in death such as Abraham Isaac and Jacob they are all are part of the same kingdom of God and we’rent baptized for remission of sins.

I personally am convicted about baptism for remission of sins in Jesus name being really important to actually being renewed and set free from sins dominion , being saved , belonging to Abraham’s family of blessing and promise ect now in my old age because I have learned so much about it from the epistles

But I’m only convicted about it because the Bible says it and I’ve heard it and accept it’s true. But to be totally honest brother when I was baptized I had no clue it was important I just was baptized because of what jesus says in mark chapter 16 ( preach the gospel to everyone in the world whoever believes and is baptized will be saved )

I just believed it must be true because Jesus is my lord and savior and if he says it and personally applies it to every creature just as he’s risen from death and proven his claims and says “whoever believes and is baptized shall be saved “

When I really heard that , when it sunk in I thought I need to get baptized because i surely Believe in Jesus and want to be saved “

I think I was looking for something after returning from deployment something new a new focus for my mind and heart at the time and a friend later after I was baptized “ baptism is for the remission of sins “


What I’m trying to say is I myself have a conviction of faith that we really need to just hear what jesus said and trust him

But I honestly don’t read anything that says” if you haven’t been baptized you can’t be saved “ I believe that baptism os truly an important part of the gospel , but if someone doesn’t actually know that I don’t think it’s going to disqualify them

I think its when we do know something is important to do, and then don’t do it that it becomes sin , or if we know somethings important and say it isn’t also that may be even more sinful

about of someone doesn’t know about or understand or have the opportunity to get baptized I’m not personally thinking they are automatically lost

But that is only my own belief and shouldn’t be taken as anything more than that or an attack in what anyone else believes especially you brother

I appreciate your kind comments.

I agree that many get water baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for remission of sin because they believe what scripture says and obey. It is exactly what God wants; a step of faith. We are to accept what He commands just as a little child accepts what their parents say without totally understanding why it is required. We believe and trust them. It is only after complying that the reason becomes apparent. I believe Paul expresses exactly that in Romans 6. Notice he says, "Know ye not?"... that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin."

Gotta run errands. Will check back later.

 

[Joelightening]

I know a minister who after his sermon says, "If anyone would like to be saved, raise your hand." He also tells everyone to close their eyes and bow their heads. When I attended that Church, I would always look straight at him when he would say that. I call him the ole hand raiser guy.

When someone would raise their hand, he would then tell them that they are now saved and there is nothing they could ever do to be more saved.

Jesus said, "Why do you call me Lord, but do not do what I say?" He also told about all the false Christians who would come one day to him, only to be rejected in that day of judgement.

Believing in the Lord requires hearing what he said and doing as he said. The Apostles were assigned the duty of teaching what Jesus said.

Salvation requires more than a one time hand raising or a momentary feeling. We must hear his commandments and obey them.

There are so many false teachers that it is not hardly possible to find a safe Church. But we can pray and ask God for his help and for salvation.

 

[PennEd]

We must here his commandments and obey them.

And what are His Commandments?

 

[fredoheaven]

but

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It does connect baptism to salvation
But it doesn’t connect not getting baptized to damnation we’re supposed to accept and believe and then act not look for requirement and non requirement but grow as we hear and can grasp

always knowing he’s gonna save us but always giving him our whole heart and life as well

Yep, it is connected to a post salvation experience. God bless

 

[John146]

right the end will come after the only gospel is preached to all the world until the world ends and Jesus returns like he said in the gospel the one Paul became a believer and witness of

Your arguments aren’t making any sense

are you saying as paul wrote that sentance the gospel now somehow changed lol ? And that’s your reasoning for inventing a second gospel that erases the gospel Jesus preached and then becomes the word grace ? Which now means no one now needs to do anything god said will save them in the gospel he sent to all people ? Thier saves regardless of what the savior said ?

I must not have the extra special gra ce lens to see which verses are true and which verses are lies

Yes or no...Did Paul state that the gospel that was taught him, go out into all the world, preached to every creature under heaven, preached to all nations?

 

[John146]

God blinded the eyes of most of Spiritual Israel for their disobedience in worshiping idols, until they repent, but he reserved a remnant of them that would not do iniquity, nor speak lies, neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth, for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make the afraid.

There is a salvation (deliverance) When a lost sheep of the house of Spiritual Israel repents, or when a babe in Christ matures enough to come unto a knowledge of the truth.

These two groups are who the remnant is to teach and preach and pray for.

Forced repentance is not repentance. Forced belief is not belief.

 

[Joelightening]

And what are His Commandments?

If you have a Bible you could read it and find his commandments there. I recommend that you read the 6th chapter of Hebrews. You will find repentance, faith, the baptisms, laying on of hands, the resurrection from the dead, and the eternal judgement are foundational principals of Christ.

Those teachings are expounded upon in other scriptures. It takes some time to learn all this and to comply. Every journey begins with the first step.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Yes, God works on me since I believed or trusted Christ for my salvation Ephesians 1:13

No! You believed because God worked on you.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I appreciate your kind comments.

I agree that many get water baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for remission of sin because they believe what scripture says and obey. It is exactly what God wants; a step of faith. We are to accept what He commands just as a little child accepts what their parents say without totally understanding why it is required. We believe and trust them. It is only after complying that the reason becomes apparent. I believe Paul expresses exactly that in Romans 6. Notice he says, "Know ye not?"... that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin."

Gotta run errands. Will check back later.

“It is exactly what God wants; a step of faith. We are to accept what He commands just as a little child accepts what their parents say without totally understanding”

Yes brother this is my entire framework of faith and my view also on baptism of we’ve heard about it and it actually sunk in we need to get baptized

awe can’t believe anything if we don’t hear about it is what I’m saying if Christian’s don’t hear about baptism for remission of sins they are never going to accept it

that’s why when hypergracers see people talking about what the Bible actually says and teaches they flock to it and start explaining it’s nonsense and false doctrine based upon some scripture plucked from a long letter from an apostle that removes all context

If christians would share this

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then Christian’s would accept that but you have those who want to explain how that’s not about being saved or there’s a different baptism where no one needs to do anything the baptism of grace lol

“ your saved by the word grace , not what Jesus said your saved by and said was for every creature , listen to me instead . Your already saved so getting baptized is irrelevant to salvation , your saved by grace so repentance is irrelevant to salvstion , your saved by grace so you’ll never be judged by your deeds , your saved by grace so you can never lose your inheritance “

Brother it’s extremely hard for me to go beyond what I can hear in scripture

i believe baptism is the very first act of faith one who receives the holy spiritual by faith should do , and is actually commanded to do.

But again that’s because I understand it now how important it is to everything they are saying because of the explainations of it in the epistles

You know my belief about baptism brother I believe it’s established very well in scripture. All I’m saying is I didn’t always believe what I believe now about baptism when I was baptized I didn’t think it was required I just knew believing in Jesus was required and he said “ believe the gospel and get baptized and be saved “

All I knew was jesus can save me I need to trust in him that’s where everything comes from and we never need to leave that place

Jesus said it and so it’s what we should believe and strive for in not just baptisms case but in everything he taught it should be what we believe and do but forst we have to hear it of we can’t believe and then act by faith

also we as believers knowing and believing the importance of baptism
Do this

“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:24-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬


instead of saying if someone isnt baptized they can’t be saved we say “ this is what baptism is about according to Jesus and the apostles and they all teach us to get baptized like they all did including Jesus “


Then maybe they will hear what we believe and why and possibly consider it and turn to what thoer Bible says about it

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Forced repentance is not repentance. Forced belief is not belief.

Christ's doctrine is eternal deliverance by God's sovereign grace. Your doctrine is eternal deliverance by your good works.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Forced repentance is not repentance. Forced belief is not belief.

Right God doesn’t force man he informs them of what’s coming ahead for sinners

and then says repent and believe me and be saved

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Christ's doctrine is eternal deliverance by God's Your doctrine is eternal deliverance by your good works.

Lol “sovereign grace.”

Any argument possible to avoid what Jesus taught

 

[Pilgrimshope]

If you have a Bible you could read it and find his commandments there. I recommend that you read the 6th chapter of Hebrews. You will find repentance, faith, the baptisms, laying on of hands, the resurrection from the dead, and the eternal judgement are foundational principals of Christ.

Those teachings are expounded upon in other scriptures. It takes some time to learn all this and to comply. Every journey begins with the first step.

you wouldnt find Gods commandments in the gospel when he came and spoke his eternal words of judgement ? And then sent out to all the world for salvation?

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

v

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Hearing and believing what jesus said is what God requires those are his true commandments the things he taught us when he was with us

 

[fredoheaven]

No! You believed because God worked on you.

Umm, this simply means you don't believed what the Bible says as provided in the OP and in Ephesians 1:13 " In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the gospel, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after ye believed..." Address this please. Thank you

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Salvation requires more than a one time hand raising or a momentary feeling. We must hear his commandments and obey them.

Depends which Tense of Salvation you are referring to...see below:

Those teachings are expounded upon in other scriptures. It takes some time to learn all this and to comply. Every journey begins with the first step.

Very Well spoken: In God's Grace, Peace, Mercy And Love, we find:

The THREE Tenses Of God's ETERNAL Salvation: ​

"But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should
not trust in ourselves, but in God Which raiseth the dead: Who
Delivered us from So Great A Death,...
(RDF)

...and Doth Deliver:...
(RDF)

...in Whom we trust that He Will Yet Deliver us;"
(2 Corinthians 1:9-10)
----------------------------
E-X-P-A-N-D-E-D version:

Precious friend(s), Is not the Solution to Confusion recog-
nizing These THREE, And, Also, God's Differences Between
"HIS Relationship With us," And (RDF) "our fellowship with HIM!"?

God's Will, Today, Under HIS PURE GRACE? Very Simply:

► faith (100% trust/belief with the heart!) ◄

(I personally 'heard The Gospel,' bowed my head, repented, believed, and prayed...), receiving This From God?:

1) Past Tense = "...God Delivered us from So Great A Death...":

God Establishes HIS Eternal Relationship
With those who humbly repent and

believe, 100% trust, place Total faith, In The LORD JESUS CHRIST,
HIS Death (Precious BLOOD), Burial, And HIS Resurrection,
According To The Scriptures!
(1 Corinthians 15:3-4; cp Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3-5)

"GRACE Through faith" In The Merits
Of HIS ALL-Sufficient BLOOD Results:

All sins Forgiven, His Eternal Life, And, Peace With God!
(Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 2:13; Romans 6:23; Romans 5:1)

This Is Eternal Deliverance From the Penalty of sin,
The So Great A [Second ] Death! (Revelation 21:8) =
Justification and Spiritual Sanctification
(2 Corinthians 1:10a cp Romans 3:24)

(More Biblical Confirmation is here: God's ETERNAL Assurance!
And here:

God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!)

► faith ◄
God's ETERNAL Justification/Relationship Is First, And, Then:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

►► love ◄◄
(2) Present Tense = "...God Doth Deliver us...":

All believers Should do "good works" {Which will Never
Equal CHRIST's Payment For the above Penalty of sin!},
for Which we Are Created In CHRIST JESUS, to perform
for Him, having "been Called into fellowship With Him!"
(Ephesians 2:10; 1 Corinthians 1:9) Amen?:

We "work out our own salvation" (Philippians 2:12). This
Should Be a lifetime of Daily submission, and renewing,
being "not conformed to this world" (Romans 12:1-2),
for Grace Deliverance From the power of sin!}
(2 Corinthians 1:10b) = personal sanctification:

(2a) Christ Living In us, To Fulfil:

All Of His Law, In "One Word: Love thy neighbor as thyself!"
(Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10)

(2b) His Spirit Guiding and Teaching us, How To:

"Study to shew thyself Approved Unto God, a work-man
that needeth not to be ashamed, Rightly
Dividing The Word Of Truth!" (2 Timothy 2:15)

Eternal Results: reward (GOOD works Required!) [or loss (BAD works!) *]
(1 Corinthians 3:8-15), ruling and reigning [or not *] With CHRIST, Which
Will Finally Be At The Judgment Day!

* More study: Finishing The Race

►► love ◄◄:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

►►► Blessed HOPE! ◄◄◄
(3) Future Tense = "...God Will Yet Deliver us":

CHRIST's Glorification of All "members" Of HIS Body!!
{This Is Eternal Deliverance From the Presence of sin!}
(1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-57;
2 Corinthians 1:10c). Hallelujah! Praise HIS Excellent Name!!
----------------------------------
Conclusion:

BIG Differences Between the THREE tenses Of God's Eternal Salvation,
And Between God's Relationship And (RDF) our fellowship! Correct?

Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II). ← Correct, "takes some time to learn all this" and:

still studying, learning more...

 

[Wansvic]

Yep, it is connected to a post salvation experience. God bless

Notice Jesus said he who believes AND is baptized shall be saved. He did not say believers get baptized after you have been saved. There is a big difference.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Notice Jesus said he who believes AND is baptized shall be saved. He did not say believers get baptized after you have been saved. There is a big difference.

Well all you have to do is go through the book of Acts and see that the apostles -- who were strictly obedient to the Lord -- baptized ONLY AFTER people were saved and received the gift of the Holy Ghost. So as usual your FALSE GOSPEL of water baptism being necessary for salvation falls flat on its face in the light of Gospel truth.

Jesus placed salvation and baptism very close together, but the sequence of events is clear seen in Scripture. "Believeth and is baptized" actually gives you the correct sequence, but salvation is based upon repentance and believing as seen throughout the New Testament. But the Catholics also falsely claim that water baptism is for regeneration (called baptismal regeneration). You might be happy joining the church of Rome.

 

[fredoheaven]

Notice Jesus said he who believes AND is baptized shall be saved. He did not say believers get baptized after you have been saved. There is a big difference.

Please notice the last clause of the same verse, "baptism" was omitted. If i believe and was not baptized am I saved? the bible says, yes I am saved. But if I don't believe and was baptized? Am I saved? No, i am damned. So in essence, water Baptism is not necessary for salvation, baptism in water is necessary because you have the salvation.

 

[Wansvic]

Well all you have to do is go through the book of Acts and see that the apostles -- who were strictly obedient to the Lord -- baptized ONLY AFTER people were saved and received the gift of the Holy Ghost. So as usual your FALSE GOSPEL of water baptism being necessary for salvation falls flat on its face in the light of Gospel truth.

Jesus placed salvation and baptism very close together, but the sequence of events is clear seen in Scripture. "Believeth and is baptized" actually gives you the correct sequence, but salvation is based upon repentance and believing as seen throughout the New Testament. But the Catholics also falsely claim that water baptism is for regeneration (called baptismal regeneration). You might be happy joining the church of Rome.

Paul's question, "Have you received the Holy Ghost SINCE you believed?" makes the point that being indwelt by the Holy Ghost does not automatically occur when a person believes the gospel message. After being told about Jesus, Paul baptized the group, that had been previously baptized by John, in the name of the Lord Jesus. It was only after Paul laid hands on them that they received the Holy Ghost. Something similar happened to the Samaritans as referenced in Acts 8:12-18. The Samaritans believed the gospel message, and submitted to water baptism in the name of Jesus yet did not receive the Holy Ghost. until days later.

 

[Wansvic]

Please notice the last clause of the same verse, "baptism" was omitted. If i believe and was not baptized am I saved? the bible says, yes I am saved. But if I don't believe and was baptized? Am I saved? No, i am damned. So in essence, water Baptism is not necessary for salvation, baptism in water is necessary because you have the salvation.

There are those who do not believe in the deity of Jesus Christ yet administer water baptism. As such, they are still lost. Both are required according to Jesus.