Salvation is for the Whole World
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False facts--Because Jesus is 100% clear at John 17:3--This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Christ Jesus--2 major points taught-1) The Father is the only true God-2) The only true god sent another he did not come down here. Best to believe Jesus, all his real followers do.
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If your thoughts were true, then Jesus would be a liar and we know he isnt--John 17:3--This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Christ Jesus. 2 major points of reality there-1) The Father is the only true God-2) The only true God sent another he did not come down here.
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Adam and Eve were created with a free will and not knowing what was right and what was wrong. Where there is no law, there is no transgression. So they were created sinless but with a free will. The serpent changed their motivation from loving and obeying God to love of self. He lied about God's motive for forbidding them to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God did not want them to be like Him. At the same time the serpent played on their own self interest. They could be like God by gaining this knowledge. Unfortunately, God had declared that all living beings were to reproduce beings after their own kind. Since Adam and Eve were the original humans, the knowledge that they gained from their disobedience affects their posterity. Have you ever wondered why God didn't just punish Adam and Eve for their disobedience instead of all of humanity. It's because this knowledge became part of their make-up which we call their conscience and we are all born with it. As beings with a free will and a conscience, we become responsible for all of our thoughts and actions. We all fail because our thoughts and actions are motivated by self-interest instead of love for God and others. We all follow in Adam and Eve's footsteps until God changes us and we walk in the Spirit with this God-given love.
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How could the Father dwell inside Christ (John 14) and be on His Heavenly Throne simultaneously?
Obviously Omnipresent!
Obviously the Father came down if He is literally Dwelling inside Jesus while on Earth.
We know God is Spirit and the Father could easily be in Heaven on His Throne and simultaneously living on Earth inside Jesus body doing the works because the Father is Spirit!
Obviously Omnipresent!
Obviously the Father came down if He is literally Dwelling inside Jesus while on Earth.
We know God is Spirit and the Father could easily be in Heaven on His Throne and simultaneously living on Earth inside Jesus body doing the works because the Father is Spirit!
You guys are both wrong in your understanding.
Heb 1 :5-7 For unto which of the angels said He at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again , I will be to him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son? And again, when He bringeth in the first-begotteen into the world, He saith, " And let all the angels of God worship Him. And of the angels He saith , Who maketh His angels spirits, and His ministers a flame of fire.
Christ's existence emanated from the Father's essence from which all things exist. Christ is the first living spiritual being that came from the Father. That is why He is the Father's Son. Just like the Father, Christ has His own mind, heart, and soul. Because the Father's essence completely fills Christ's being, Christ, with His free will, chooses to love and obey Him. That is why He sits at the Father's right hand (to do the Father's will). The Father communicates His will to the Son through His essence. The Father and Son are One in that whatever the Father wants, the Son wants also. The Son's will might differ from the Father, but the Son gladly acquiesces to the will of the Father. When Christ became a man, the essence of God the Father, through which Mary's seed was fertilized, again resulted in Christ being born but this time as a human. The Father and Son relationship occurs a second time ( And again ).
God has always existed. He has no beginning and no end. He transcends time, is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, and all-powerful. He can be described as an essence that permeates everywhere and possesses a mind, heart, and soul. Eph 4: 6 There is...One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. In John 15: 26 and John 8: 42 the Holy Spirit and Christ proceedeth from the Father. The Holy Spirit is the Father's Spirit through which He communicates and empowers.
Isaiah 43: 10 ... before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. This verse is spoken by Christ because the Father has no beginning but apparently, the God (Christ) in Isaiah 43: 10 had a time that existed before Him which means that He didn't always exist in the past. Actually, the beginning started when Christ was formed out of the Father's essence. Alpha and Omega means the first and the last.
The Father created all things through Christ, which makes Christ the Lord and God of all creation, but the Father is God of all.
Heb 1: 8 But unto the Son He saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.
The Father gives Christ a kingdom to rule forever, made up of righteous beings who worship Him as a God. Notice that the Father refers to His Son as " O God ".
Heb 1 : 9 Thou hast loved righteousness , and hated iniquity; therefore, God, even ( that is ) thy God, hath anointed Thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Jesus' God ( the Father) has anointed Jesus with the oil of gladness above all created beings because Jesus loves righteousness ( doing the Father's will) and hates iniquity ( disobeying His will).
Heb 1 :5-7 For unto which of the angels said He at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again , I will be to him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son? And again, when He bringeth in the first-begotteen into the world, He saith, " And let all the angels of God worship Him. And of the angels He saith , Who maketh His angels spirits, and His ministers a flame of fire.
Christ's existence emanated from the Father's essence from which all things exist. Christ is the first living spiritual being that came from the Father. That is why He is the Father's Son. Just like the Father, Christ has His own mind, heart, and soul. Because the Father's essence completely fills Christ's being, Christ, with His free will, chooses to love and obey Him. That is why He sits at the Father's right hand (to do the Father's will). The Father communicates His will to the Son through His essence. The Father and Son are One in that whatever the Father wants, the Son wants also. The Son's will might differ from the Father, but the Son gladly acquiesces to the will of the Father. When Christ became a man, the essence of God the Father, through which Mary's seed was fertilized, again resulted in Christ being born but this time as a human. The Father and Son relationship occurs a second time ( And again ).
God has always existed. He has no beginning and no end. He transcends time, is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, and all-powerful. He can be described as an essence that permeates everywhere and possesses a mind, heart, and soul. Eph 4: 6 There is...One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. In John 15: 26 and John 8: 42 the Holy Spirit and Christ proceedeth from the Father. The Holy Spirit is the Father's Spirit through which He communicates and empowers.
Isaiah 43: 10 ... before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. This verse is spoken by Christ because the Father has no beginning but apparently, the God (Christ) in Isaiah 43: 10 had a time that existed before Him which means that He didn't always exist in the past. Actually, the beginning started when Christ was formed out of the Father's essence. Alpha and Omega means the first and the last.
The Father created all things through Christ, which makes Christ the Lord and God of all creation, but the Father is God of all.
Heb 1: 8 But unto the Son He saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.
The Father gives Christ a kingdom to rule forever, made up of righteous beings who worship Him as a God. Notice that the Father refers to His Son as " O God ".
Heb 1 : 9 Thou hast loved righteousness , and hated iniquity; therefore, God, even ( that is ) thy God, hath anointed Thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Jesus' God ( the Father) has anointed Jesus with the oil of gladness above all created beings because Jesus loves righteousness ( doing the Father's will) and hates iniquity ( disobeying His will).
If faith doesn't come as a gift from God, where does it come from?
This is EXACTLY what I said. You believe SOME people are more moral, better, or smarter than others, and that is why they are able to accept the Gospel, while less moral, or less smart people reject Him.
Of COURSE Grace is a gift from God! No dispute on that at all.
But as I've said, the Word Grace itself means something that is freely, without merit of the recipient, given. The THAT in Ephesians 2:8-9 is unequivocally referring to the Faith that God Gifts to us. Tell me where YOUR Faith comes from if not from God? Do you muster it up out of your own strength?
James 1:17
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17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.
2 Timothy 1:5-6
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5 when I call to remembrance the genuine faith that is in you, which dwelt first in your grandmother Lois and your mother Eunice, and I am persuaded is in you also. 6 Therefore I remind you to stir up the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands.
Just as I've said. A redefining of what the word dead means. If Paul wanted say SEPARATED, he was more than capable of using that word. This is the SAME beef you have with the Calvinists saying "World" doesn't mean WHOLE, unsaved World. Why can you change the meaning but they can't?
What factors? Are they more intelligent? More moral?
Again. WHERE does this faith come from? Did not God create you with EVERYTHING you possess?
This is EXACTLY what I said. You believe SOME people are more moral, better, or smarter than others, and that is why they are able to accept the Gospel, while less moral, or less smart people reject Him.
Of COURSE Grace is a gift from God! No dispute on that at all.
But as I've said, the Word Grace itself means something that is freely, without merit of the recipient, given. The THAT in Ephesians 2:8-9 is unequivocally referring to the Faith that God Gifts to us. Tell me where YOUR Faith comes from if not from God? Do you muster it up out of your own strength?
James 1:17
New King James Version
17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.
2 Timothy 1:5-6
New King James Version
5 when I call to remembrance the genuine faith that is in you, which dwelt first in your grandmother Lois and your mother Eunice, and I am persuaded is in you also. 6 Therefore I remind you to stir up the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands.
Just as I've said. A redefining of what the word dead means. If Paul wanted say SEPARATED, he was more than capable of using that word. This is the SAME beef you have with the Calvinists saying "World" doesn't mean WHOLE, unsaved World. Why can you change the meaning but they can't?
What factors? Are they more intelligent? More moral?
Again. WHERE does this faith come from? Did not God create you with EVERYTHING you possess?
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I began thinking that you don't believe it is possible for One God, the True One God, is not capable of dealing with His creation in more than [one way] be it in the image of a human being, or through the Spirit and it still be the One True God?
You don't believe that God, who His Spirit, the WORD is Spirit, the Holy Spirit is Spirit, can be the SAME One True God through a Man that needed to be Sacrificed and His Spirit that dwells within all Believers by through God, WHO is Spirit cannot ALL IMAGES represented of the Being of Who God Chose to represent Himself as the One True God?
Jesus said the Father Dwells inside Him.
As the WORD [Spirit] (remember He was made flesh) 《that means》 {He existed in the Beginning in Spirit, because God is Spirit} He took on the form of a man [just as all True representations of God are Male (Father- WORD- Holy Spirit)] and He became the ONLY "possible" true Vessel that could Save our souls.
If you are not acknowledging that the scriptures teach that there are two distinctive worlds, then you would have to say that the following scriptures are teaching that God "so loved the following world:
John 15:18-19 - If the world hat you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own; but ye are not of the world, but I have chosen ye out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
Now Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said unto them, do you inquire among yourselves, of that I said, a little while, and ye shall not see me; and again, a little while, and ye shall see me? Verily, Verily, I say unto you, that ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice, and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.
John 17:9 - I pray for them; I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me
John 17:14 - I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world,
James 4:4 - Know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever therefore shall be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
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Perish=death=separation. When a child of God commits a sin, he separates himself from God's fellowship, temporary, until he repents, for God will not fellowship sin, even turning his back on his own Son during that three hours of darkness when Christ bore our sins.
2 Peter 1:1 tells us that Peter, in 2 Peter 3:9, was speaking to those who have obtained like precious faith, even including himself by using the word "usward".
Christ's crucifiction for the redemption of the sins of those that God gave him, was not an offering to mankind, for mankind's acceptance but was an offering to God, for God's acceptance..
All mankind did not seek after God (Psalms 53:3), until he quickened them to a new spiritual life (Eph 2:1-5).
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