Hell, Sheol, Hades...
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I did say that God is eternal, not just immortal. Eternal means God has no beginning and no ending.
Immortal though, means having a beginning and no ending. When God breathed into us and gave us souls - our souls have a beginning but no ending because God imparted that to us.
The verses about the unsaved being forever punished show that we have souls that go on beyond this age into forever. That's why those verses exist in the Bible. We can't just ignore them.
Immortal though, means having a beginning and no ending. When God breathed into us and gave us souls - our souls have a beginning but no ending because God imparted that to us.
The verses about the unsaved being forever punished show that we have souls that go on beyond this age into forever. That's why those verses exist in the Bible. We can't just ignore them.
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Our God is a Consuming Fire
It's a nice picture and I really like it, but the wording isn't accurate. All verses must be considered, not just the ones that support your view.
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There are no verse for "trinity" and "rapture" either. But you can still see those things exist in the Bible. Just like with the immortal soul that is described in the verses that talk about perpetual punishment.
As I had said before, you can't just ignore those verses. If the Bible has both types of verses, that means they are meant to be understood as a cohesive whole.
As I had said before, you can't just ignore those verses. If the Bible has both types of verses, that means they are meant to be understood as a cohesive whole.
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There are very few verses that say anything like that, and most of the few are from a highly symbolic book
written in apocalyptic language. Often the parable of Lazarus and the rich man is trotted out as something
that is literal and denied as being a parable because it names real people, and there is a man-made tradition
that says, since it names real people, it cannot be a parable, even though it is placed in a chapter/series of
parable after parable. Scripture explicitly states that Jesus only taught in parables. That gets ignored.
The dead know nothing. That gets ignored. Death many many many times is given
as the wages of sin but that gets ignored and replaced with eternal conscious torment.
written in apocalyptic language. Often the parable of Lazarus and the rich man is trotted out as something
that is literal and denied as being a parable because it names real people, and there is a man-made tradition
that says, since it names real people, it cannot be a parable, even though it is placed in a chapter/series of
parable after parable. Scripture explicitly states that Jesus only taught in parables. That gets ignored.
The dead know nothing. That gets ignored. Death many many many times is given
as the wages of sin but that gets ignored and replaced with eternal conscious torment.
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FAQ: Was Adam's disobedience a Hell-worthy violation?
REPLY: No.
According to Gen 2:17 it was a death-worthy violation rather than Hell-
worthy. In other words: the proper penalty for Adam's mistake was his
loss of immortality; and of course loss of access to the tree of life too.
* Simultaneously, something altered Adam's moral perception so that now
we know death includes something a bit more serious than merely one's
passing.
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FAQ: Was Adam's disobedience a Hell-worthy violation?
REPLY: No.
According to Gen 2:17 it was a death-worthy violation rather than Hell-
worthy. In other words: the proper penalty for Adam's mistake was his
loss of immortality; and of course loss of access to the tree of life too.
* Simultaneously, something altered Adam's moral perception so that now
we know death includes something a bit more serious than merely one's
passing.
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But notice these bodies are dead - not immortal like the bodies the Lord will give us who are saved. Notice that the immortal bodies the Lord will give us will continue to let us live and do stuff. The dead bodies that the unsaved have don't sound functional at all, but perpetually decaying. Hence why the worm can feed on them for the rest of forever.
Death is a separation
death of the body is separation of the soul and the flesh.
Spiritual death is separation of mankind from God
God paid a way for us to be "born again" spiritually. so our separation will end. and we will be made spiritually alive
those who reject that gift will end up remaining spiritually dead. And be cast into outer darkness. or eternal separation from God.
death of the body is separation of the soul and the flesh.
Spiritual death is separation of mankind from God
God paid a way for us to be "born again" spiritually. so our separation will end. and we will be made spiritually alive
those who reject that gift will end up remaining spiritually dead. And be cast into outer darkness. or eternal separation from God.
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The wording comes from Scripture Okay, so the dead know nothing. Square that with eternal consciousness.
Okay, so the dead know nothing. Square that with eternal consciousness.
If the Bible says that the unsaved dead will be weeping and gnashing their teeth, that definitely means they are conscious.
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Scripture does say that God alone is immortal.
I will stick with that
It seems you say, don't ignore Scripture, don't ignore Scripture, don't ignore Scripture, while you ignore that.
I will stick with that
It seems you say, don't ignore Scripture, don't ignore Scripture, don't ignore Scripture, while you ignore that.
But if you don't want to consider what I wrote, I'm fine with that. I'm posting these things for other readers to consider as well.