This is true but David paid a very high price for his sin, his life was full of tragedy and vexation thereafter ... and this is the answer to people who sin wilfully against grace.
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A prayer of David
Psalm 86:5 KJV
For thou, Lord, art good, and ready to forgive; and plenteous in mercy unto all them that call upon thee.
1 John 1:9 KJV
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Hebrews 10:1,8-9 KJV
For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
[8] Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein ; which are offered by the law;
[9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
[8] Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein ; which are offered by the law;
[9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
There's problems with the passage - Jesus seminar large number of scholars, who examined the words attributed to Jesus come to the conclusion more then 80% of the words are not his. It would also go against God who does not accept sacrifice & Jesus said only came to the lost sheep of Israel and came not to change a 'jot'.
But that's not actually what Jesus said, is it?
Matthew 5:18, (KJV): For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Doesn't say anything about changing things or not here. But it does seem to imply that the Law is going to be fulfilled.
You seem to be playing fast and loose with Scriptures here... It does not merely say that God does not want Sacrifice:
Psalm 51:
16For You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it;
You take no pleasure in burnt offerings.
17The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit;
a broken and a contrite heart,
O God, You will not despise.
These are the types of Sacrifice that Jesus gave, see.
Still, He was operating under the Old Covenant, so a blood Sacrifice was required to fulfil the Law.
It was just like these days, going to church on Sunday but not walking with God.
Sacrifices were necessary back then, but they were supposed to walk with God also.
2 Kings 17:33 KJV
They feared the Lord, and served their own gods, after the manner of the nations whom they carried away from thence.
Was God saying that all your sacrifices are pointless because you are not walking with me.
Leviticus 17:1 KJV
And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
Leviticus 17:11 KJV
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
This relates to animals and to be precise the prohibition of 'consuming blood'. This doesn't provide OT evidence Jesus was sacrificed for our sins. Actually, goes against eating his flesh & drinking his blood. Pagan rituals.
Surely you jest?
The Old Testament is full of information about blood-sacrifice. And we are also told of how many things are a shadow/type of things to come... Jesus.
Also, Jesus talks about the need for Him to lay down His life.
'Jesus talks about the need for Him to lay down His life.' - show me any evidence / passages
Cause he has another theory!!
Not at all - only deal with evidence - show me the evidence
Evidence for what?
The dialogue on this thread is meandering and my patience is limited, but I will try.
Ted01 - was going to show the evidence from OT that;
'Jesus talks about the need for Him to lay down His life.'
'Jesus talks about the need for Him to lay down His life.'
John 10:7-18 (ESV)
7 So Jesus again said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9 I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. 11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12 He who is a hired hand and not a shepherd, who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them. 13 He flees because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep. 14 I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd. 17 For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.”
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According to Acts 2:29-30, David was prophet. As such he knew things
about Christ (1Pet 1:10-11) and no doubt one of the things he knew before
any of us knew it was this:
"I assure you; those who listen to my message, and believe in God who sent
me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they
have already passed from death into life." (John 5:24)
I'm positive David took advantage of Christ because he wrote:
"Blessed is the man whose sin The Lord will never count against him". (Rom
4:8)
Within the terms and conditions of the covenant that Moses' people agreed
upon with God in the Old Testament there is forgiveness, cleansing, and
pardon, but there is no wiping one's slate clean. In other words: the
covenant doesn't provide folks with an acquittal; which can be defined as a
ruling of innocence due to a lack of sufficient evidence to convict. As a
result: pardons, cleansing, and forgiveness within the covenant are merely
reprieves and leave justice for the people's sins hanging over their heads
like a sword of Damocles.
When Christianity's atonement system is fully and intelligently explained, it
is often accused of granting folks a license to steal. Well; without a license to
steal, so to speak, nobody has the slightest chance of escaping the terrible
retribution depicted by Isa 66:23-24 and Rev 20:11-15 because books are
to be opened and histories to be examined. The best way to deal that is to
make very sure there are zero negative entries affixed to one's name so that
on the books it appears that they have never been anything but 100%
innocent their entire lives.
"God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins
against them". (2Cor 5:19)
Now that we know a wipe is possible; how do we obtain it? Well; I suggest
going after it with this simple prayer:
God I know I'm a sinner, and I am afraid of those books. I would like to take
advantage of your son's death, if I may.
_
According to Acts 2:29-30, David was prophet. As such he knew things
about Christ (1Pet 1:10-11) and no doubt one of the things he knew before
any of us knew it was this:
"I assure you; those who listen to my message, and believe in God who sent
me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they
have already passed from death into life." (John 5:24)
I'm positive David took advantage of Christ because he wrote:
"Blessed is the man whose sin The Lord will never count against him". (Rom
4:8)
Within the terms and conditions of the covenant that Moses' people agreed
upon with God in the Old Testament there is forgiveness, cleansing, and
pardon, but there is no wiping one's slate clean. In other words: the
covenant doesn't provide folks with an acquittal; which can be defined as a
ruling of innocence due to a lack of sufficient evidence to convict. As a
result: pardons, cleansing, and forgiveness within the covenant are merely
reprieves and leave justice for the people's sins hanging over their heads
like a sword of Damocles.
When Christianity's atonement system is fully and intelligently explained, it
is often accused of granting folks a license to steal. Well; without a license to
steal, so to speak, nobody has the slightest chance of escaping the terrible
retribution depicted by Isa 66:23-24 and Rev 20:11-15 because books are
to be opened and histories to be examined. The best way to deal that is to
make very sure there are zero negative entries affixed to one's name so that
on the books it appears that they have never been anything but 100%
innocent their entire lives.
"God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins
against them". (2Cor 5:19)
Now that we know a wipe is possible; how do we obtain it? Well; I suggest
going after it with this simple prayer:
God I know I'm a sinner, and I am afraid of those books. I would like to take
advantage of your son's death, if I may.
_