I don't got a problem with those affirming OSAS, many of them fear God, but that doesnt make it correct. See 1 Timothy 4:1
Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked
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See here you go again
Sorry bud, Just because I reject your interpretation of the word does not mean I am not following the rules.
But hey, when a person comes to the point they have to attack someone else because they do not agree with them, in my experience, it is because they have no argument.
I will not attack you/. I once again offer to agree to disagree.. what you do is up to you..
I am not falsly accusing someone
I am not trying to be like a bully and telling you you have no clue and are rejecting Gods word.
Your self righteous proud demeaner is more proof I should not follow you..
How can you depart from the faith if you're not part of it? Just asking.
we see it happening today. where people kids, who was brought up in the faith. are departing from it. making up their own faith..
How can the gift of eternal life. be lost?? Would it not then be conditional?
You can't just use one verse.
Yes, we have - it still pertinent but you remain unable to comprehend it. How can someone believe until they have been given faith?
True faith comes from salvation. Until given faith by the Holy Spirit, no one can believe -you can't have faith without having faith.
But you insist that someone can have it, without it. - logical contradiction - not possible. If someone thinks their faith was produced of themselves, then their faith is in themselves.
That they are born-again is exactly what it means. How do I know that? Because the preceding verse specifically tells us so - everyone taught of the Father are they, and only they, who Christ will raise up on the last day. The "they" in v45 - are the drawn of v44.
[Jhn 6:44-45 KJV]
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Prepare for it not to be beyond you:
First, it is saying that Christ's offering was insufficient of itself to bring salvation and needs human
assistance to complete it; 2) it is calling God a liar because He stated otherwise - that it was fully sufficient in and of itself;
3) it makes people think their salvation is in their hands (when its not), which makes it a work and therefore a false gospel. Our work can never bring salvation to anyone - instead, it brings judgment.
Why do you have so much trouble seeing Christ as the Saviour in all ways and not just in some?
Sorry "bud", when you think one verse is complete in and of itself as you did with Abraham's faith, you obviously didn't follow the rules.
One takeaway I think. In making the effort the scripture in 1 Corinthians 2 is proven true again and again.
As that becomes more evident I think we will realize the folly of thinking we can change the mind God's Holy Spirit has not as yet.
The Bible proves itself true when we have the God given opportunity to test the spirits.
I am always grateful for that lesson.
Yawn.
You tell me I can;t use one verse, yet that is what you do.
ps I did not use one verse. I used a multitude of verses.
You’re not born again while in sin. Justification has to precede regeneration. Thats because God is perfect justice. His soverignty, his love, none of his characteristics can overrule the other. Or he is not God
Thats why his love could not just make us saved, His love could not over rule his justice.
His justice says the penalty of sin is death
Love found away, in that while we were sinners, Christ died for us.
So that through justification. Our sin debt is paid. And we are enable to be made alive.
My friend.. Yu have too many obstacles for me to even come close to coming to your faith. And you have failed every time I have asked to explain those obstacles.
I don't understand your answer. You seem to be saying both sides at the same time.
I could care less if you follow my rules.
You should follow Gods rules
Your one verse does not. And will never trump my many verses in the same passage.
You keep saying one verse. you again are bearing false witness..
Its amazing every time i speak with a proud fatalist that they keep answering with lies about the other.. and no matter how many times they are confronted with it, they keep telling the same lies.
Well since you’re to afraid to even speak, and since you are to afraid to even respond to the false accusation you made against me. Keep on attacking me,, Because all you do is continue to expose yourselfOne takeaway I think. In making the effort the scripture in 1 Corinthians 2 is proven true again and again.
As that becomes more evident I think we will realize the folly of thinking we can change the mind God's Holy Spirit has not as yet.
The Bible proves itself true when we have the God given opportunity to test the spirits.
I am always grateful for that lesson.
I do not have to convince you all of anything, just convince others to seek another way. And not just blindly follow you
Because you have proven time after time you have not heard a word I have said.
You’re listening to me through blinders. Your church told you what I believe, and thats all you can hear. You can;t hear me or anyone else like me who disagrees with you. You look for key words and the light comes on, I know what that guys is saying, when 90 % of the time, you have no idea what we are saying, and you prove it every time you accuse them of something
"Your church told me what I believe"? Huh? Look, this is as simple as simple can be. It comes down to this:
I say Christ is the Saviour in all possible ways and in all possible aspects, and that we as man are not in any way. You simply can't
believe that.
It's too much effort to repeat the same things over and over to you when you do not get them. A thumbs down is quicker and easier.
Feel free to thumbs-down me whenever you'd like - doesn't bother me at all - in fact it's a lot easier that way.
You just proved my point for me
I have saying those very words for 40 years now.. Wither you believe it or not does not make a difference..
Its ok.. I feel the same way’’
I will end with this
When I stand in front of God. And tell him I am a man of unclean lips. I have sinned against him and only him, I am unworthy of his love, and deserve an eternity in hell because I rebelled against my creator. And the only way I could even possibly be ALLOWED into his presence is because he died for me, He offered me his gift. And his ability to keep his promise.Which I told him 40 years ago. That he is my only hope. And cry out for his salvation.
I guarantee you and your buddies this. God will not call me a heretic. he will not tell me I tried to earn my salvation. He will not falsly accuse me like you all are doing. He will say welcome home..
You do not have to believe it. You can not save me, You can;t get me in heaven, I can only trust God
You think God is going to bless you for trying to bully people who disagree with you. Well you have another thing comming.
I believe you are saved, but when it comes to gold silver precious stones, I believe you will have some wood hay and straw for the way you treat Gods people.
Good day
You still haven't answered my question. I thumbs-up(ed) you because I agree with your "does not make a difference"
comment.