Does 1 John 1:9 mean we have to repent more than once?

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an accurate knowledge ?

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

is that fools gold or accurate ?

“But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; to declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:21-26,

It seems foreign to you but that’s where a person starts that’s the point God accepts them that’s the point they have been justified not by anything work but by belief in the atonement God made for them

belief in Jesus whether you only know a little or a lot saves souls , what you know becomes your own standard as you learn you grow in understanding and capacity to walk in it

No one has to study the Bible thirty years to be saved they have to believe the gospel to be saved whether they know John 3:16 or every word of all four gospel accounts doesnt matter in the beginning

a believer the rest of their life are going through a process of God changing them as they learn his word

Not actually accurate--Jesus tells all at Matt 7:22-23--these believe. I would say believe means, believe him enough to learn and apply all he taught. That is proof of ones love=obeying.
Excercising Faith in the real Jesus--4 different Jesus' are taught in this world, only 1 is true.

 

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Jesus is God in the flesh they aren’t just of the same purpose it’s him

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus is the only place where you find the father , son and holt ghost in one being he is the full expression of God

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9‬

If you are looking at Jesus your looking at God , if you are hearing Jesus you are Hearing God

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s not that he represented the same cause it’s that God became flesh and walked among us

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1, 10‬ ‭KJ

“in whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: and he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:14-

God the creator is Jesus before anyone knew him or his name this same God is Jesus before he came into the world speaking to the prophets

“Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬
is this same God after he became flesh and shed his blood

“I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.”
‭‭John‬ ‭20:28-

there’s one lord and God it’s jesus the only difference in the Old Testament and new is that he was not visable in the ot not knowable until he came into the world and revealed himself to mankind

The father son and holy ghost aren’t three seperate they are one God

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and jesus is when they are all manifest in one body

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus is himself God who is a spirit , manifest in The flesh so we can hear and know him so we can receive the correct understanding of God

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That understanding is found in the gospel of Jesus Christ who is our lord

Coll 1:15-Jesus is Gods image--an image is an exact copy, never the real thing. The one being called the true God at 1John 5:20= the one who is true--see the words- his son, Its not Jesus being called the true God.

 

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Not actually accurate--Jesus tells all at Matt 7:22-23--these believe. I would say believe means, believe him enough to learn and apply all he taught. That is proof of ones love=obeying.
Excercising Faith in the real Jesus--4 different Jesus' are taught in this world, only 1 is true.

John 3:16 spoken by the lord Jesus Christ isn’t accurate ? So probably he has this answer wrong too ?

“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:28-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And all the prophets they also were wrong

“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul too

“For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Of course Jesus again had it wrong

“He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And Luke also quoting Joel

“And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That name is Jesus

“But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Is that all inaccurate also ? Orrrrrr is it just plain truth that is our foundation upon which all the rest is built ?

It’s like I was saying brother your trying to assume everyone else has read all the same scriptures you have and they all understand the exact things you understand

your trying to force feed steak and potatoes to babes kids and adults and only the adults are going to ever digest the best and potatoes, yet your trying to say “ if you don’t gobble up the meat you don’t belong “

Your perceiving everything as if what you understand and have read and heard in scriptire being the standard for all others but it isn’t that’s your own standard for when you go answer for your life’s work this day

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

ashen you go there it’s not going to be according to what I know and understand from scripture that judges you it’s going to be according to what you understand between you and the lord he knows what we know and what we don’t know that’s going to be the standard what you know is meant to make you grow up nd what some other younger person knows is meant for them at that time they will grow by it as you do also

But no John 3:16 is the simplest and most accurate description of salvation in the Bible bar none. Without that belief in Jesus nothing else will ever stand

As you grow up your standard also goes up but you never ever stop believing in Jesus Christ for salvstion that’s really I hope not what your claiming

 

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Coll 1:15-Jesus is Gods image--an image is an exact copy, never the real thing. The one being called the true God at 1John 5:20= the one who is true--see the words- his son, Its not Jesus being called the true God.

So you’re saying then Jesus isnt really God just a copy ?

well I think that about does it for me on this one it’s going to a really not good place in my opinion

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ( not a copy of him )

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. ( not a copy of him the creator in the world )

And the Word ( God ) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1, 3-4, 10, 14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If I wanted to briefly summarize I’d say

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, ( not a copy ofnGod ) justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

aim seeing that we have a lot of uncommon beliefs so I’m gone let this rest

 

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John 3:16 spoken by the lord Jesus Christ isn’t accurate ? So probably he has this answer wrong too ?

“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:28-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And all the prophets they also were wrong

“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul too

“For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Of course Jesus again had it wrong

“He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And Luke also quoting Joel

“And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That name is Jesus

“But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Is that all inaccurate also ? Orrrrrr is it just plain truth that is our foundation upon which all the rest is built ?

It’s like I was saying brother your trying to assume everyone else has read all the same scriptures you have and they all understand the exact things you understand

your trying to force feed steak and potatoes to babes kids and adults and only the adults are going to ever digest the best and potatoes, yet your trying to say “ if you don’t gobble up the meat you don’t belong “

Your perceiving everything as if what you understand and have read and heard in scriptire being the standard for all others but it isn’t that’s your own standard for when you go answer for your life’s work this day

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

ashen you go there it’s not going to be according to what I know and understand from scripture that judges you it’s going to be according to what you understand between you and the lord he knows what we know and what we don’t know that’s going to be the standard what you know is meant to make you grow up nd what some other younger person knows is meant for them at that time they will grow by it as you do also

But no John 3:16 is the simplest and most accurate description of salvation in the Bible bar none. Without that belief in Jesus nothing else will ever stand

As you grow up your standard also goes up but you never ever stop believing in Jesus Christ for salvstion that’s really I hope not what your claiming

And when you read Jesus words at Matt 7:22-23--- you see believe actually means more than just belief, because those judged negative there believe . Jesus showed the problem-they worked iniquity= practiced a sin. Thus it takes learning and applying EVERY utterance from God, as Jesus taught man MUST live by them. Not pick and choose but obey every utterance, so as to know what God dislikes so as to not practice it. Many Jaws will be dropped hearing those words from Jesus at judgement--And he showed there, no matter how much think you loved him to do those things in his name-if one practices a sin-they lose. Hebrews 10:26 is clear on that as well. And there is 0 doubt that those who do powerful works and the such in Jesus name-believe.

 

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So you’re saying then Jesus isnt really God just a copy ?

well I think that about does it for me on this one it’s going to a really not good place in my opinion

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ( not a copy of him )

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. ( not a copy of him the creator in the world )

And the Word ( God ) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1, 3-4, 10, 14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If I wanted to briefly summarize I’d say

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, ( not a copy ofnGod ) justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

aim seeing that we have a lot of uncommon beliefs so I’m gone let this rest

God did all the powerful works through Jesus-Acts 2:22, 1Cor 8:5-6--Gods truth does not contradict itself. Your bible contradicts.

 

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And when you read Jesus words at Matt 7:22-23--- you see believe actually means more than just belief, because those judged negative there believe . Jesus showed the problem-they worked iniquity= practiced a sin. Thus it takes learning and applying EVERY utterance from God, as Jesus taught man MUST live by them. Not pick and choose but obey every utterance, so as to know what God dislikes so as to not practice it. Many Jaws will be dropped hearing those words from Jesus at judgement--And he showed there, no matter how much think you loved him to do those things in his name-if one practices a sin-they lose. Hebrews 10:26 is clear on that as well. And there is 0 doubt that those who do powerful works and the such in Jesus name-believe.

And when you read Jesus words at Matt 7:22-23--- you see believe actually means more than just belief”

Not at all , no. Belief means belief

what you are talking about is the learning process that comes when we first believe

In order to believe something you have to do More than just read it once , it has to actually sink into your understanding you have to receive conviction from it

about what you said there to begin with

“ as you actually start learning from Jesus in whom you believe , your going to start growing in understanding and at that point your beginning your brand new lifetime journey of learning from and following after Jesus and his gospel

a when I was eighteen I thought I knew it all , when I was thirty five I realized I didn’t know anything at all at 18 , when I was sixty I realized what a fool I was at thirty five . Now I realize God was protecting me all along because when I was 18 I wasn’t prepared or able to live up to it

sits really simple what I’m saying it’s a process like a plant you have be seeded and then grow roots , then you start growing out of the ground a little leaf pretty soon you have a stock with foliage eventually your a fruitful bush because you have matured

Like what Jesus said

“And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground;

and should sleep, and rise night and day, and the seed should spring and grow up, he knoweth not how.

For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade,

then the ear,

after that the full corn in the ear.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭4:26-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s a process so a mature bush and a seedling just growing out of the ground they have two entirely different expectations you don’t go looking for fruit on a seedling you have to find a good mature tree to see the good fruit no matter how much thirty sixty ninety all that matters is good fruit not how much

it’s a continuing process of God working on us and us pressing forward into it

“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

hes always changing us for the better as we learn and believe what a person understands and is accountable for grows over a lifetime.

The basics are where salvstion is found but sooner or later we begin to grow up and then th t new thing we’re learning becomes where salvstion is found built upon the other basic thing as any understanding of any subject So is the gospel

salvation is only belief only true belief

But it’s to believe what we hear of the gospel he sent into the world not to invent our own belief like many do

jesus is a gentle and patient teacher to believers and his yoke is nothing like the burden of the ot

“Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:28-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Trusting in Jesus for salvation is the only way that’s the reason we’re going to acutually start paying attention to his word because we believe in him and know he’s not going to lead us astray

What you are talking about is maturing in Christ , the babes are already belonging to jesus though and they will learn ofnthey keep in belief and hearing his word

They aren’t going to read the gospel once and then know everything he said and understand it it’s a commitment to start hearing and following him because you believe

 

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And when you read Jesus words at Matt 7:22-23--- you see believe actually means more than just belief”

Not at all , no. Belief means belief

what you are talking about is the learning process that comes when we first believe

In order to believe something you have to do More than just read it once , it has to actually sink into your understanding you have to receive conviction from it

about what you said there to begin with

“ as you actually start learning from Jesus in whom you believe , your going to start growing in understanding and at that point your beginning your brand new lifetime journey of learning from and following after Jesus and his gospel

a when I was eighteen I thought I knew it all , when I was thirty five I realized I didn’t know anything at all at 18 , when I was sixty I realized what a fool I was at thirty five . Now I realize God was protecting me all along because when I was 18 I wasn’t prepared or able to live up to it

sits really simple what I’m saying it’s a process like a plant you have be seeded and then grow roots , then you start growing out of the ground a little leaf pretty soon you have a stock with foliage eventually your a fruitful bush because you have matured

Like what Jesus said

“And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground;

and should sleep, and rise night and day, and the seed should spring and grow up, he knoweth not how.

For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade,

then the ear,

after that the full corn in the ear.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭4:26-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s a process so a mature bush and a seedling just growing out of the ground they have two entirely different expectations you don’t go looking for fruit on a seedling you have to find a good mature tree to see the good fruit no matter how much thirty sixty ninety all that matters is good fruit not how much

it’s a continuing process of God working on us and us pressing forward into it

“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

hes always changing us for the better as we learn and believe what a person understands and is accountable for grows over a lifetime.

The basics are where salvstion is found but sooner or later we begin to grow up and then th t new thing we’re learning becomes where salvstion is found built upon the other basic thing as any understanding of any subject So is the gospel

salvation is only belief only true belief

But it’s to believe what we hear of the gospel he sent into the world not to invent our own belief like many do

jesus is a gentle and patient teacher to believers and his yoke is nothing like the burden of the ot

“Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:28-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Trusting in Jesus for salvation is the only way that’s the reason we’re going to acutually start paying attention to his word because we believe in him and know he’s not going to lead us astray

What you are talking about is maturing in Christ , the babes are already belonging to jesus though and they will learn ofnthey keep in belief and hearing his word

They aren’t going to read the gospel once and then know everything he said and understand it it’s a commitment to start hearing and following him because you believe

None who practice a sin have Jesus. I john 3rd chapter is clear on that. Any who practice a sin are the devils children. These sins are condemned-1Cor 6:9-11, Gal 5:19-21-- yet many blind guides assure those--you are saved, its not truth.