Do you observe the Sabbath?

[TMS]

You are a legalist because you claim to follow the law and imply (at least) that others are wrong for not doing so.

Jesus followed the law and Jesus pointed out sin.
Paul said to establish the and not make it void. Abraham followed the law.
Who didn't follow the law?

It is the motive that determines if your legalistic or not.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Was Jesus saying if you love me be a legalist? No

Keeping the law does not make you a legalist.

If sin is the transgression of the law and i uphold this truth it does not make me a legalist.

Sin is sin... if i say the murder is a sin I'm not a legalist or say taking Gods name in vain is a sin that does not make me a legalist.

 

[TMS]

For example, the 4th commandment reads “Honor your father and your mother”.

Which bible are you reading?

 

[TMS]

Peoples characters are showing.

This is ment to be a bible discussion on keeping the sabbath.

Some are using it to put down denominations and share links that bad mouth them.

Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

If i wanted to find fault with any denomination, it will be online.

Our denomination will naturally influence us. This should be about the bible.. not about judging church beliefs..

Be careful Jesus said that the remnant people will be hated and persecuted.. so by spreading your hate, you are helping fulfill the prophesy.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

 

[Dino246]

Jesus followed the law and Jesus pointed out sin.
Paul said to establish the and not make it void. Abraham followed the law.
Who didn't follow the law?

It is the motive that determines if your legalistic or not.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Was Jesus saying if you love me be a legalist? No

Keeping the law does not make you a legalist.

If sin is the transgression of the law and i uphold this truth it does not make me a legalist.

Sin is sin... if i say the murder is a sin I'm not a legalist or say taking Gods name in vain is a sin that does not make me a legalist.

What you completely fail to understand is that you CANNOT keep the Law. It is impossible. Paul made that clear to the council Acts 15:10. It became impossible even more so with the destruction of the temple and the end of the Levitical order. The is the Paul who wrote, "All who rely on the works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, 'Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all tings written in the Book of the Law, and do them.'"

He also wrote, "Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?" Well, if you think that you keep the Law and are thereby acceptable to God, you are so foolish!

 

[Aaron56]

Which bible are you reading?

Ah, it should read “5th”.

 

[Aaron56]

Jesus followed the law and Jesus pointed out sin.
Paul said to establish the and not make it void. Abraham followed the law.
Who didn't follow the law?

It is the motive that determines if your legalistic or not.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Was Jesus saying if you love me be a legalist? No

You’re right to believe the law is about sin. You may also add “death”.

But “God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself”.

The commandments of God in Christ were fully revealed to John. So, this is what he wrote:

”Beloved, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God, and we will receive from Him whatever we ask, because we keep His commandments and do what is pleasing in His sight. And this is His commandment: that we should believe in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ, and we should love one another just as He commanded us. Whoever keeps His commandments remains in God, and God in him. And by this we know that He remains in us: by the Spirit He has given us.”

There are two: 1) Love one another [as He loved us] and 2) Believe in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ.

 

[TMS]

What you completely fail to understand is that you CANNOT keep the Law. It is impossible. Paul made that clear to the council Acts 15:10. It became impossible even more so with the destruction of the temple and the end of the Levitical order. The is the Paul who wrote, "All who rely on the works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, 'Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all tings written in the Book of the Law, and do them.'"

He also wrote, "Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?" Well, if you think that you keep the Law and are thereby acceptable to God, you are so foolish!

Jesus perfectly kept the law and gives the gift of righteousness to us.

By faith we can access the gifts..

The Holy Spirit is also promised and by faith Jesus will live in us.

If Jesus lives in you, will you be living like Jesus.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

Paul is not saying, "forget the law". He is saying it is impossible in the flesh, but by Christ in us we can walk in the Spirit and obey the law.

Not to be saved but because Jesus is in us.

 

[TMS]

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

If we let the bible explain itself, the dragon is satan. The woman is the church, and the remnant is those that......

Keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

The saints are linked with those that .....

Keep the commandments of God.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Who will be eating from the tree of life? ...

They that do His commandments.

What are the Commandments of God?

It is worth knowing?

 

[Dino246]

Paul is not saying, "forget the law". He is saying it is impossible in the flesh, but by Christ in us we can walk in the Spirit and obey the law.

You can't obey the Law "in the Spirit" either. Try finding a Levite to offer a dove on the altar for you. You can't keep the Law. If you're a Christian, you aren't under that covenant anyway.

 

[Mem]

I would be almost 99.9% confident to suppose that nothing could harm Jesus throughout his life on earth because the law of sin and death had nothing on him, Jesus is the only Man Who is able to keep the law, without even a misstep. And there is no record that he suffered so much as a hang nail in the way of infliction (John 14:30 I will not speak with you much longer, for the prince of this world is coming, and he has no claim on Me.…) (up to his time on the cross, of course, because he then 'received our sin)
Jesus did not die for so that we could start again with a blank record and have another go at the law. He shed his blood for us because none of us could keep the law even if we tried.

 

[Inquisitor]

So, no Christian in the NT used the word "God"?

Just from Acts to Revelation, I find that the word "God" is used at least 1054 times, in 917 verses (KJB). Cases in point:

1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.​

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1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.​

1Jn_5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.​

Jud_1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.​

The name 'Jesus' is used far more than the generis 'God'.

Boast in the name of Jesus.

 

[Inquisitor]

I would be almost 99.9% confident to suppose that nothing could harm Jesus throughout his life on earth because the law of sin and death had nothing on him, Jesus is the only Man Who is able to keep the law, without even a misstep. And there is no record that he suffered so much as a hang nail in the way of infliction (John 14:30 I will not speak with you much longer, for the prince of this world is coming, and he has no claim on Me.…) (up to his time on the cross, of course, because he then 'received our sin)
Jesus did not die for so that we could start again with a blank record and have another go at the law. He shed his blood for us because none of us could keep the law even if we tried.

Agree with every word you wrote.

1) The law only ever granted the knowledge of sin
2) The law was setup for Jesus to obey and fulfill, not us
3) The law was only given to Israel
4) The law does not provide righteousness, see point 1.
5) Israel agreed three times to obey the law at Mt Sinai, a covenant between God and Israel. Gentiles nations were not in that covenant.

 

[Inquisitor]

The commandments (10 C) cover all things.

Psa_119:96 I have seen an end of all perfection: but thy commandment is exceeding broad.​

The text is a singular 'commandment'.

Why did you say, "The commandments (10 C) cover all things."

 

[Inquisitor]

The new covenant states:
The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:
16 “This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[b]
17 Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”[c]
18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary. Heb10:15-18
If the law is in your mind, you in your mind know the basics of how God wants you to live. If the law is in your heart, you in your heart want to live according to what has been placed in your heart. But you yourself acknowledge, walking in the light as a christian does not mean you will not commit sin/break God's laws. It is not an external law anymore engraved on tablets of stone for the believer, it is an internal law, which is in the heart of believers:

You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2Cor3:3

The law written on the heart is the law of Christ. The law of unconditional love. God is love. God has poured His love into our hearts.

God did not write "don't eat bacon" into our hearts.

 

[Inquisitor]

Another confusing post of yours as well.



You still don't seem to understand what the Sabbath is.



No. Jesus was crucified Wednesday and rose Saturday evening.



There's two examples and they are descriptive of a particular not, not prescriptive of something the churches needs to pattern their existence off of.



But that's what you're doing.

The Sabbath, along with the other commandments, are parts of the Law that you are required to keep. Arguing until you're blue in the face will get you no where. The New Testament commands aren't changing any time soon.



That's an oversimplification. You're under grace and not law if you're walking in the Spirit. Read Galatians 5 again.



You don't seem to understand what grace is. People are under grace so they can make mistakes and continue serving God. People aren't under grace so they can violate God's commandments as much as they want.

So your really saying that being under grace is a license to sin.

You said, "People are under grace so they can make mistakes".

What does that mean, mistakes?

Does a mistake mean a sin?

 

[TMS]

You can't obey the Law "in the Spirit" either. Try finding a Levite to offer a dove on the altar for you. You can't keep the Law. If you're a Christian, you aren't under that covenant anyway.

The Law of God that defines sin...
Which part of the 10 commandments are impossible when the Spirit of God is controlling you?

 

[TMS]

I would be almost 99.9% confident to suppose that nothing could harm Jesus throughout his life on earth because the law of sin and death had nothing on him, Jesus is the only Man Who is able to keep the law, without even a misstep. And there is no record that he suffered so much as a hang nail in the way of infliction (John 14:30 I will not speak with you much longer, for the prince of this world is coming, and he has no claim on Me.…) (up to his time on the cross, of course, because he then 'received our sin)
Jesus did not die for so that we could start again with a blank record and have another go at the law. He shed his blood for us because none of us could keep the law even if we tried.

Because we failed, everyone has sinned, Jesus obeyed it perfectly, so that he can give us the righteousness of obeying the law.

Why did He need to die for us if the law has no power to call us guilty.

If the the law is calling us guilty today, His grace and death is needed today.

If the law is nailed to the cross what is sin?

Jesus knew that we would not be able to keep the law ourselves. He knew we needed help.
So ....
Rom 2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

So as humans that are sinful, we are no able to perfectly keep the law. Righteousness and life can not be attained by keeping the law. Faith in Jesus is the only solution. If we never sinned we would not need Jesus, but all have sinned.

So trying to save yourself by the law is foolish. But the law is not removed or faith in Jesus does not mean we forget the law. Through grace by faith we can allow Jesus to live in us.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[TMS]

Agree with every word you wrote.

1) The law only ever granted the knowledge of sin

If the law is a knowledge of sin, it is the standard of sinlessness.
Oppsite of sin is sinlessness.
To be sinless is to be righteous.
The law is the standard of righteousness.

2) The law was setup for Jesus to obey and fulfill, not us

No... Jesus obeyed it because we failed. So that He could give us His righteousness.
Sin is the transgression of the law and Adam sinned. Jesus came to save us from sin. If the law is not for us why did Jesus need to die and suffer the curse of sin for us?

3) The law was only given to Israel

All mankind have sinned so all have transgressed the law.
Jesus died for everyone that has sinned and we all need Jesus's perfect righteousness.

4) The law does not provide righteousness, see point 1.

No it doesn't provide righteousness but it defines sin and righteousness.
It shows us what is right (righteous) and wrong (sin).

5) Israel agreed three times to obey the law at Mt Sinai, a covenant between God and Israel. Gentiles nations were not in that covenant.

We are Israel today, children of God.. Jesus has grafted us into the olive tree..
Israel were ment to be a light to the world and share the truth. The law has not ended, because sin is still present today, and we still need the righteousness of Jesus today.

By faith we establish the law.

 

[Dino246]

The Law of God that defines sin...
Which part of the 10 commandments are impossible when the Spirit of God is controlling you?

Where in Scriptue is the Law limited to the Ten Commandments?

 

[Mem]

By faith we establish the law.

That is, we establish the law that concludes that those, with only Jesus as exception, that fail to keep its requirement require a sacrifice of which once provided is then deemed to be righteous.