Crucifixion on Wednesday, Thursday or Friday?

[VARob]

I never stated any such thing. Re-read what I stated specifically. If this is how you read my responses, it is no wonder that you continue in your error.

Sorry, I should have checked. Here is what you said:

There was no "Passover Sabbath on Thursday".

What did you mean?

There was a high Sabbath that week, and it fell on a Thursday.

 

[ItsAdventageous]

Sorry, I should have checked. Here is what you said:

What did you mean?

There was a high Sabbath that week, and it fell on a Thursday.

The High Sabbath, was the co-incidence, of the two (festal and weekly) sabbaths, that took place the 7th day.

Festal Prep:

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Joh_19:14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!​

Joh_19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.​

Joh_19:42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.​

7th Day prep:

Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.​

Luk 23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.​

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.​

They (sabbaths) took place the same day, the 7th day, not the 6th day (not from thursday night).

1Co_5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:​

 

[VARob]

The High Sabbath, was the co-incidence, of the two (festal and weekly) sabbaths, that took place the 7th day.

Festal Prep:

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Joh_19:14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!​

Joh_19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.​

Joh_19:42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.​

7th Day prep:

Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.​

Luk 23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.​

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.​

They (sabbaths) took place the same day, the 7th day, not the 6th day (not from thursday night).

1Co_5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:​

I do not believe they were concurrent sabbaths.

Mark 16:1 When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him.

Then:
Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

If the sabbaths are the same day, the women cannot have bought spices after the sabbath and then rested on the sabbath. There were two sabbaths that week, one on Thursday and one on Saturday.

There is no argument whatsoever that Jesus Christ is our Passover. He died at the same time the regular Passover lambs were being killed, on Wednesday afternoon. Nisan 14.

 

[ItsAdventageous]

I do not believe they were concurrent sabbaths.

Mark 16:1 When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him.

Then:
Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

If the sabbaths are the same day, the women cannot have bought spices after the sabbath and then rested on the sabbath. There were two sabbaths that week, one on Thursday and one on Saturday.

There is no argument whatsoever that Jesus Christ is our Passover. He died at the same time the regular Passover lambs were being killed, on Wednesday afternoon. Nisan 14.

Your Mark 16:1 translation is in error.

It doesn't say that the women purchased spices after sabbath was over.

Mar 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.​

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Mar 16:1 και διαγενομενου του σαββατου μαρια η μαγδαληνη και μαρια η του ιακωβου και σαλωμη ηγορασαν αρωματα ινα ελθουσαι αλειψωσιν αυτον​

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It's past tense (aorist, indicative), meaning they were purchased before sabbath, and brought after sabbath was over. This was all covered in my previous posts.

 

[VARob]

Your Mark 16:1 translation is in error.

It doesn't say that the women purchased spices after sabbath was over.

Mar 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.​

It's past tense, meaning they were purchased before sabbath, and brought after sababth was over. This was all covered in my previous posts.

No more time tonight, but many translations disagree with “had bought.” Will check tomorrow. And there’s still the issue of the three days and three nights. I do not buy your explanation.

 

[JaumeJ]

The day of the Israelite begins at sundown. There are Twelve Tribes not only Judah. I know what you are meaning to say but it is good to have our explanations as close to perfect as possible. God bless you.

 

[ItsAdventageous]

No more time tonight, but many translations disagree with “had bought.” Will check tomorrow. And there’s still the issue of the three days and three nights. I do not buy your explanation.

I will wait for you, no worries. There may be other 'translations' but they violate the other texts and timeline. It doesn't matter how many other translations agree with yours, as it would still be a violation of the time and other texts. I too can present just as many translations similar to the KJB, as well as present the qualifications of the KJB translators.

However, your own citation of Luke 23:56, shows that they (women) had already (past tense) purchased the spices on the preparation day (6th day), after Jesus died, just as the "linen" (Mark 15:46) was purchased by Joseph of Arimathaea the same time.

Mar 15:46 And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.​

Mar 15:47 And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid.​

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Luk 23:53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.​

Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.​

Luk 23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.​

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.​

Where did they get them "spices and ointments" The "had bought" (Mark 16:1) them the same day Joseph bought the linen, the "preparation" day.

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Mar_16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.​

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So, the order of events, is Joseph buys the linen on the prep day (6th day, the day just before the sabbath, which is according to "the commandment", not ordinance), takes Jesus down and wraps him in the linen that was purchased that day after going to Pilate, and then the women go see where Jesus is laid, in the new tomb, and go back and buy spices and ointments to be "prepared" (on the preparation day, the 6th day), and ran out of time to anoint Jesus with them (since Jesus died roughly 3 PM, and it would be around 6PM that the sun would set, roughly), and so they waited until the sabbath (sabbaths, festal and 7th da)) was over, and came with the spices that they "had bought" (on the prep day, and had already "prepared") to anoint the body, which is why they came to the tomb, 'first day of the week', the 'third day' since Christ had been crucified (6th day, dies at roughly 3PM, buried, and rests in tomb all sabbath (7th day, and festal, as antitype unleavened bread (does not rise)), and rises early morning (as he always did for prayer), before sunrise on the first day of the week (the third day). The phrase "three days and three nights" does not only exclusively deal with Jesus' death and burial, as the type Jonah, reveals, who was very much alive quite a bit of time in the situation before he swooned (fainted, type of death). Again, the Sea beast is as a nation (like Egypt was), and the waters are peoples of the nations (Jews which came from all over for Passover), taking him from the the Garden of Gethsemane, to secret trials, Pilate, to Herod, back to Pilate, into the hands of the mob, etc.

 

[Webers.Home]

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FAQ: Seeing as how it's impossible to squeeze in three nights between
Friday afternoon and Sunday morning, then wouldn't it be okay to count the
hours of darkness on the cross as the missing night?

REPLY: Jesus survived the darkness on the cross. In order for it to count as
one of the nights predicted by Matt 12:40, he would've had to been
deceased and buried.

And besides, according to Gen 1:4-5, Gen 1:14, Gen 1:16, Gen 1:17-18,
and John 11:9-10, nights don't begin till sunset. Jesus was crucified mid day.
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[Webers.Home]

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The day of the Israelite begins at sundown.

The Jews' calendar days begin at sunset; similar to how our calendar days
begin at midnight. However, according to Gen 1:4-5, Gen 1:14, Gen 1:16,
Gen 1:17-18, and John 11:9-10, nobody's actual days begin till sunrise.
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[Cameron143]

He began to sweat drops of blood on Thursday night and He was greatly disturbed in His spirit. The wrath of God was already being poured out onto Him. The temple of His body was already suffering destruction.

 

[VARob]

I will wait for you, no worries. There may be other 'translations' but they violate the other texts and timeline. It doesn't matter how many other translations agree with yours, as it would still be a violation of the time and other texts. I too can present just as many translations similar to the KJB, as well as present the qualifications of the KJB translators.

They do not violate the other texts, nor do they violate the timeline. You need to consider that your timeline is incorrect. I suggest that the translators who think it should be "had bought" saw the same "discrepency" that you think there is, and translated it accordingly. On this page, only four of several dozen translations use "had bought."

However, your own citation of Luke 23:56, shows that they (women) had already (past tense) purchased the spices on the preparation day (6th day), after Jesus died, just as the "linen" (Mark 15:46) was purchased by Joseph of Arimathaea the same time.

When Luke 23:56 occurred, the women HAD already bought the spices. That was Friday, the day before the regular weekly Sabbath. The women bought the spices after the high Sabbath, but before the regular weekly Sabbath.

Mar 15:46 And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.​

Mar 15:47 And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid.​

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Luk 23:53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.​

Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.​

Luk 23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.​

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.​

There is a time gap between verse 55 and 56.

Where did they get them "spices and ointments" The "had bought" (Mark 16:1) them the same day Joseph bought the linen, the "preparation" day.

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Mar_16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.​

Again, the women bought their spices after the high Sabbath, but before the weekly Sabbath

So, the order of events, is Joseph buys the linen on the prep day (6th day, the day just before the sabbath, which is according to "the commandment", not ordinance), takes Jesus down and wraps him in the linen that was purchased that day after going to Pilate, and then the women go see where Jesus is laid, in the new tomb, and go back and buy spices and ointments to be "prepared" (on the preparation day, the 6th day),

There would have been no time for the women to buy spices after Jesus' burial. The Sabbath had started. The shops would have been closed.

and ran out of time to anoint Jesus with them (since Jesus died roughly 3 PM, and it would be around 6PM that the sun would set, roughly), and so they waited until the sabbath (sabbaths, festal and 7th da)) was over, and came with the spices that they "had bought" (on the prep day, and had already "prepared") to anoint the body, which is why they came to the tomb, 'first day of the week', the 'third day' since Christ had been crucified (6th day, dies at roughly 3PM, buried, and rests in tomb all sabbath (7th day, and festal, as antitype unleavened bread (does not rise)), and rises early morning (as he always did for prayer), before sunrise on the first day of the week (the third day).

The phrase "three days and three nights" does not only exclusively deal with Jesus' death and burial, as the type Jonah, reveals, who was very much alive quite a bit of time in the situation before he swooned (fainted, type of death). Again, the Sea beast is as a nation (like Egypt was), and the waters are peoples of the nations (Jews which came from all over for Passover), taking him from the the Garden of Gethsemane, to secret trials, Pilate, to Herod, back to Pilate, into the hands of the mob, etc.

Jonah reveals no such thing. Jonah was dead in the whale/fish for three days and three nights, just as Jesus Christ was dead in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights. People come up with differing "explanations" for the three days and three nights and for "the heart of the earth" because they're trying to make the timeline fit with the traditional "crucified on Friday, resurrected on Sunday" story.

Earlier, you posted this:

Week Day 5 - 13h Day of the Month - The “Third Day” Luk. 13:32,33, being done with His ministry. Spends this night with the Disciples in the upper room, and New Covenant Meal.

You seem to be saying that weekday 5, which is Thursday, is the night of the last supper, and then later Jesus was arrested. What do you do with this?

John 19:
13 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha.
14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

Jesus had been interrogated by Herod, and was in the middle of an appearance before Pilate, and it was noon. The Thursday Last Supper, Thursday arrest, Friday crucifixion, and Sunday resurrection timeline does not work.

 

[VARob]

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FAQ: Seeing as how it's impossible to squeeze in three nights between
Friday afternoon and Sunday morning, then wouldn't it be okay to count the
hours of darkness on the cross as the missing night?

REPLY: Jesus survived the darkness on the cross. In order for it to count as
one of the nights predicted by Matt 12:40, he would've had to been
deceased and buried.

That's another fairly common way to try and make a Friday crucifixion/Sunday resurrection work.

And besides, according to Gen 1:4-5, Gen 1:14, Gen 1:16, Gen 1:17-18,
and John 11:9-10, nights don't begin till sunset. Jesus was crucified mid day.
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Mark 15:25 And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.

The third hour was 9:00a.

 

[Webers.Home]

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Mark 15:25 And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.
The third hour was 9:00a.

The darkness lasted three hours and didn't end before noon. (Matt 27:25,
Mark15:33, & Luke 23:44)
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[VARob]

The darkness lasted three hours and didn't end before noon. (Matt 27:25,
Mark15:33, & Luke 23:44)
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The darkness lasted from noon to 3:00p

Matt 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

 

[Webers.Home]

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The darkness lasted from noon to 3:00p

There exists some confusion related to time-keeping in the New testament.
Sometimes it goes by the Jews' reckoning, and sometimes by the Romans.

For example; the Jews' 1st hour of the civil day began at what we know as
6:00 am, whereas the ancient Romans began counting their morning hours
at midnight like we do.
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[VARob]

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There exists some confusion related to time-keeping in the New testament.
Sometimes it goes by the Jews' reckoning, and sometimes by the Romans.

For example; the Jews' 1st hour of the civil day began at what we know as
6:00 am, whereas the ancient Romans began counting their morning hours
at midnight like we do.
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Yep. There are ways to make the Bible mean almost anything a person needs it to mean to fit a particular belief.

Matthew was a Jew. I doubt he would have written using Roman timekeeping.

 

[Webers.Home]

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Matthew was a Jew. I doubt he would have written using Roman timekeeping.

John used Roman time. I don't know why he recorded events by their time
instead of the Jews, but it's no problem as long as folks are aware his
chronology was meant to be different rather than inadvertently mistaken.

* John's is the only gospel that alerts us to the special sabbath that occurred
during crucifixion week. (John 19:31) That poor thing has been all but
monkey-wrenched to death by folks attempting to force into the Good Friday
model.
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[MyGospel]

* John's is the only gospel that alerts us to the special sabbath that occurred
during crucifixion week. (John 19:31) That poor thing has been all but
monkey-wrenched to death by folks attempting to force into the Good Friday
model.

John 19:31 says this:

"The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away." (John 19:31)

The "....sabbath day [that] was an high day," refers to the Feast of Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread mentioned in the Books of Leviticus, Exodus and elsewhere:

"These are the feasts of the Lord, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. 5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is THE LORD'S PASSOVER. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread." (Leviticus 23:4-6)

Ten Commands—the Lord's Passover

1. Observe the first month of Abib and keep the Passover in this month (Deut. 16:1).
2. Sacrifice the passover to the Lord your God, of the herd and the flock, in the place where God chooses to place His name (Deut. 16:2).
3. Eat no leavened bread with the Passover (Deut. 16:3).
4. Eat unleavened bread for seven days, during the Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread.
5. Leavened bread shall not be seen in all your houses or land for seven days (Deut. 16:4).
6. Neither shall the flesh of the animals sacrificed be left overnight.
7. Do not sacrifice the passover in your homes, but at the place where the Lord shall choose to place His name (Deut. 16:6).
8. Sacrifice the Passover at evening, when the sun goes down.
9. Roast and eat it in the chosen place and go to your tents in the morning (Deut. 16:7).
10. Eat unleavened bread six days, and on the seventh day you shall have a solemn assembly to the Lord, and do no work on it (Deut. 16:8).

Therefore, regarding Christ being "our Passover", the Bible says this:

"Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:" (1 Cor. 5:7)

a [Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump] refers to this. As was the custom of the Jews before the Passover to cleanse their homes from all leaven, so the church is here admonished to clean out its immoral practices from within its midst IF Christ is truly their "Passover" sacrifice.

b [as ye are unleavened] If Christians have stopped sinning as commanded (Luke 13:3, 5; 1 John 2:1, etc.) God regards them (spiritually) as being "unleavened". On the contrary, if Christians still remain "dead in trespasses and sins" (Ephes. 2:1) God regards them as being "leavened" and an offence to Him. Again, if Christians purge themselves from their sinful (old, Adamic) nature, they will then become a "new, unleavened lump" completely freed from sin. This represents part of the New Man in Christ Jesus (Ephesians 4:24)

c [Christ our passover is sacrificed for us] Christ has become the Christian church's Passover Lamb. It is by His blood that all confessed and repented of sin can be purged (Ephes. 1:7; Hebrews 9:22; Rev. 1:5).

The points here are:

1. Christ was crucified on our Wednesday at 9am.
2. Commencing midday on our Wednesday and lasting 3 hours, darkness covered Jerusalem. When Christ died, an earthquake occurred:
   
   "...from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour...the earth did quake, and the rocks rent" (Matthew 27:45, 51)
   
   
3. Christ died on our Wednesday at 3pm.
4. Christ's body was placed in the tomb on our Wednesday, prior to sunset.
5. His body remained in the tomb for the following three days and three nights.
6. The next Jewish day (14th Nisan) commenced when sunset had occurred on our Wednesday evening. This is where counting for the three days and nights commences. This represents the beginning of the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (the "high, holy day"), which extends into our Thursday.
7. Our Thursday sunset represents the FIRST day and night of Christ's body in the tomb.
8. Our Friday sunset represents the SECOND day and night of Christ's body in the tomb.
9. Our Saturday sunset represents the THIRD day and night of Christ's body in the tomb.
10. In the Book of Revelation, it reveals the time period the two witnesses were deceased prior to their resurrection and ascension into Heaven in a cloud:
    
    
11. "And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them." (Revelation 11:11)
    
    It is my belief that the 3½ day period described above replicates the same period of death and resurrection as happened with Jesus. In this - if we accept the same 3½ day period described above, it would make Christ's resurrection to occur around 5am to 6am on our Sunday morning, as described below:
    
    "And when the [weekly] sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. 2 And VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun." (Mark 16:1-2)
    
    I hope this answers some of the issues raised here.

 

[ItsAdventageous]

You seem to be saying that weekday 5, which is Thursday, is the night of the last supper, and then later Jesus was arrested. What do you do with this?

John 19:
13 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha.
14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

Jesus had been interrogated by Herod, and was in the middle of an appearance before Pilate, and it was noon. The Thursday Last Supper, Thursday arrest, Friday crucifixion, and Sunday resurrection timeline does not work.

Question: Why do you think that my documentation is in conflict with John 19's statements?

Question: Why do you think that the timeframe of Pilate was "noon"? Does the text say "noon" or "noon day" like so many other texts in scripture do (Genesis 43:16,25; 2 Samuel 4:5; 1 Kings 18:26,27, 20:16; 2 Kings 4:20; Psalms 55:17; Song of Solomon 1:7; Jeremiah 6:4; Amos 8:9; Zephaniah 2:4; Acts 22:6)?

Reading the 4 Gospels together, we see that Jesus was arrested around midnight (6th day of the week (God's time), crossing the 'Thursday - Friday' boundary according to Roman time)

Luk_22:53 When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.​

Jesus is taken to a secret late night (6th day (God's time), early Friday (Roman time)) trial before Annas, then to Caiaphas the high priest, probably around 1 AM or so:

Joh 18:13 And led him away to Annas first; for he was father in law to Caiaphas, which was the high priest that same year.​

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Joh 18:24 Now Annas had sent him bound unto Caiaphas the high priest.​

Mat 26:57 And they that had laid hold on Jesus led him away to Caiaphas the high priest, where the scribes and the elders were assembled.​

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Luk 22:54 Then took they him, and led him, and brought him into the high priest's house. And Peter followed afar off.​

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This lasts for a while. Peter is outside in the cold dark courtyard, trying to warm himself, before the Rooster crows (which usually happens at around 3-5 AM)

Mar 14:54 And Peter followed him afar off, even into the palace of the high priest: and he sat with the servants, and warmed himself at the fire.​

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Mar 14:67 And when she saw Peter warming himself, she looked upon him, and said, And thou also wast with Jesus of Nazareth.​

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Luk 22:55 And when they had kindled a fire in the midst of the hall, and were set down together, Peter sat down among them.​

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Mar 14:72 And the second time the cock crew. And Peter called to mind the word that Jesus said unto him, Before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he wept.​

Mat 26:75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.​

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Luk 22:60 And Peter said, Man, I know not what thou sayest. And immediately, while he yet spake, the cock crew.​

Luk 22:61 And the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.​

To get to the short of it, they take Jesus to Pilate in early morning, around 5-6 AM, which according to Roman time, is the 6th Hour and about the time of sunrise, or day-light. John wrote the Gospel of John after his time on Patmos according to most scholars, and had lived a long time on Patmos, which kept Roman time.

Mat 27:1 When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death:​

Mat 27:2 And when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor.​

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Mar 15:1 And straightway in the morning the chief priests held a consultation with the elders and scribes and the whole council, and bound Jesus, and carried him away, and delivered him to Pilate.​

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Luk 22:66 And as soon as it was day, the elders of the people and the chief priests and the scribes came together, and led him into their council, saying,​

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Luk 23:1 And the whole multitude of them arose, and led him unto Pilate.​

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Mat 27:11 And Jesus stood before the governor: and the governor asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And Jesus said unto him, Thou sayest.​

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Mar 15:2 And Pilate asked him, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answering said unto him, Thou sayest it.​

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Mar 15:9 But Pilate answered them, saying, Will ye that I release unto you the King of the Jews?​

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Mat 27:15 Now at that feast the governor was wont to release unto the people a prisoner, whom they would.​

Mat 27:16 And they had then a notable prisoner, called Barabbas.​

Mat 27:17 Therefore when they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus which is called Christ?​

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Luk 23:3 And Pilate asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answered him and said, Thou sayest it.​

Does it say "morning", when the "day" begins or does it say "noon", half way through the "day"?

Later they (Pilate, et al) send Jesus to Herod, which takes place around 6-8 AM, and then back to Pilate, final judgment, around 8-9 AM and Jesus is Crucified, at the "third hour" (God's time, 9 AM), time of the morning Sacrifice, and dies at the 9th hour (God's time, 3 PM), time of the evening sacrifice.

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Mar_15:25 And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.​

There is darkness over the land from the "sixth hour" (God's time, about "noon", 12 PM) unto the "9th hour" (God's time, about 3 PM)

Mat_27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.​

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Mar_15:33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.​

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Luk_23:44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.​

 

[VARob]

Question: Why do you think that my documentation is in conflict with John 19's statements?

Question: Why do you think that the timeframe of Pilate was "noon"? Does the text say "noon" or "noon day" like so many other texts in scripture do (Genesis 43:16,25; 2 Samuel 4:5; 1 Kings 18:26,27, 20:16; 2 Kings 4:20; Psalms 55:17; Song of Solomon 1:7; Jeremiah 6:4; Amos 8:9; Zephaniah 2:4; Acts 22:6)?

You are insisting that the sixth hour (John 19:14) was according to Roman time. That would be 6:00a. Who would have been present for Pilate to be speaking to? There would not have been a crowd gathered at 6:00a. And just because there are many scripture that use the word "noon" does not mean that the sixth hour in John 19:14 cannot mean noon. You switch between "God's time" and Roman time as it fits your timeline.

Your timeline does not account for "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." To make it fit, you change the definition of "three days and three nights," and you change the definition of "in the heart of the earth."