Doctrine of Unconditional Election
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you have packed a lot into 2 paragraphs .
The verses above show you believe God created an elect and others for destruction. The Word says what it says Those verses are the Word of God not mine.
So where would the chosen Jews stand?
Doubt my words will be clear but i will try... Things changed with the Birth Death and Resurrection of our Lord.
The old covenant had been broken by man. Do we really need more evidence then the lives of the disciples?
Rom_2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. Jew are not an enemy some are Christians saved by Grace.
you have packed a lot into 2 paragraphs .The verses above show you believe God created an elect and others for destruction. The Word says what it says Those verses are the Word of God not mine.
So where would the chosen Jews stand?
Doubt my words will be clear but i will try... Things changed with the Birth Death and Resurrection of our Lord.
The old covenant had been broken by man. Do we really need more evidence then the lives of the disciples?
Rom_2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. Jew are not an enemy some are Christians saved by Grace.
But in each of those situations God was not the cause. That was people making choices to do wrong. What did we have for supper? Hubby and I went to Mexican and it's still on repeat if you get my drift. When will I ever learn?
What choice did the children who died make?
Clam chowder with cheesy bread sticks Still real cold up here.
Jos 21:43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
Jos 21:44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
Jos 21:45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.
When in dispensastionalism i read the NT Scriptures as future. As well as lots of the OT as future. I did not see/accept the simple reality of Jesus saying soon. I would not accept
Joh 12:30 Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes. Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
This he said, signifying what death he should die.
Our Bibles are not written / put together in chronological order nor were they written in chapter and verse .
Clam chowder with cheesy bread sticks
Still real cold up here.Jos 21:43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
Jos 21:44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
Jos 21:45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.
When in dispensastionalism i read the NT Scriptures as future. As well as lots of the OT as future. I did not see/accept the simple reality of Jesus saying soon. I would not accept
Joh 12:30 Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes. Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
This he said, signifying what death he should die.
Our Bibles are not written / put together in chronological order nor were they written in chapter and verse .
It was by Adam's actions that everyone were made into sinners and dead spiritually. We see it every day as most from the womb are judged sinners and enemies of the gospel of Christ -- their trust is in their works for salvation and without true faith in Christ - that is the sin upon which all of the unsaved will be judged.
[Rom 5:19 KJV] 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
[Rom 5:19 KJV] 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Can I share a couple of examples?
Example 1, Hezekiah's prayer was answered even after the Lord told him he was going to die. God changed his mind based on Hezekiah's prayer.
2 Kings 20
1 In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death. And the prophet Isaiah the son of Amoz came to him, and said unto him, Thus saith the Lord, Set thine house in order; for thou shalt die, and not live.
2 Then he turned his face to the wall, and prayed unto the Lord, saying,
3 I beseech thee, O Lord, remember now how I have walked before thee in truth and with a perfect heart, and have done that which is good in thy sight. And Hezekiah wept sore.
4 And it came to pass, afore Isaiah was gone out into the middle court, that the word of the Lord came to him, saying,
5 Turn again, and tell Hezekiah the captain of my people, Thus saith the Lord, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will heal thee: on the third day thou shalt go up unto the house of the Lord.
6 And I will add unto thy days fifteen years; and I will deliver thee and this city out of the hand of the king of Assyria; and I will defend this city for mine own sake, and for my servant David's sake.
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Example 2, David knew that his crying out to God in prayer might change the mind of God that his child may live.
2 Samuel 12
22 And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether God will be gracious to me, that the child may live?
23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.
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Example 3, the people of Nineveh cried out to God and changed God's mind concerning destroying them in forty days. God repented of the evil that he said he would do unto them and he did it not.
Jonah 3
8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.
9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
Example 1, Hezekiah's prayer was answered even after the Lord told him he was going to die. God changed his mind based on Hezekiah's prayer.
2 Kings 20
1 In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death. And the prophet Isaiah the son of Amoz came to him, and said unto him, Thus saith the Lord, Set thine house in order; for thou shalt die, and not live.
2 Then he turned his face to the wall, and prayed unto the Lord, saying,
3 I beseech thee, O Lord, remember now how I have walked before thee in truth and with a perfect heart, and have done that which is good in thy sight. And Hezekiah wept sore.
4 And it came to pass, afore Isaiah was gone out into the middle court, that the word of the Lord came to him, saying,
5 Turn again, and tell Hezekiah the captain of my people, Thus saith the Lord, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will heal thee: on the third day thou shalt go up unto the house of the Lord.
6 And I will add unto thy days fifteen years; and I will deliver thee and this city out of the hand of the king of Assyria; and I will defend this city for mine own sake, and for my servant David's sake.
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Example 2, David knew that his crying out to God in prayer might change the mind of God that his child may live.
2 Samuel 12
22 And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether God will be gracious to me, that the child may live?
23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.
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Example 3, the people of Nineveh cried out to God and changed God's mind concerning destroying them in forty days. God repented of the evil that he said he would do unto them and he did it not.
Jonah 3
8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.
9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
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