Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

[Inquisitor]

Begotten Son means God’s offspring hence the title Son of God and the word begotten.

The Word existed before the incarnation and the Word existed after the incarnation.

For a very short time. the Word submitted to His Father in all things and took on the role of a son.

The incarnation of the Word was a divine act of humility.

Not even the apostles understood the identity of the Christ for some considerable time.

Yet, we know why we exist and the true identity of YHWH.

John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word (Jesus) was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him (Jesus), and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.

Colossians 1:16
For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominions, or rulers, or authorities, all things have been created through Him (Jesus) and for Him.

All things that exist were created by Jesus and were created for Jesus only.

The God of the Old Testament was the Word, was Jesus Christ.

Jesus was the perfect image of God while in His human form, stripped of His Glory.

 

[Magenta]

The only folks I’ve ever met who deny the deity of Jesus are counted among the cults.

It is the number one marker.

 

[Cameron143]

Rm is the one who needs to make the place for God to work. We are not preventing him. He prevents himself.

But I do understand what you are saying. Still, such blatant error as his should not be left unchecked.

Rm isn't aware of his need. Until his understanding is opened, he won't. Since only God can do that, talking to God and not Rm is the better course of action.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Rm isn't aware of his need. Until his understanding is opened, he won't. Since only God can do that, talking to God and not Rm is the better course of action.

Only those filled with the Holy Spirit understand Jesus is God.

Do you believe RM is filled with the Holy Spirit since he denies Christ as being God?

 

[Runningman]

Who was Jesus before He became Jesus?

A True offspring is created. Are you saying Jesus is created?

Jesus is the pre-existent Son of God, that’s clear all over the New Testament where Jesus is called the Son of God. This would have been difficult to miss. Begotten refers to offspring not adoption. I’ll leave it to you figure out how.

 

[Runningman]

Only those filled with the Holy Spirit understand Jesus is God.

Do you believe RM is filled with the Holy Spirit since he denies Christ as being God?

Don’t get ahead of yourself. I haven’t said “Jesus isn’t God.” So don’t bare false witness.

I’m simply refuting your talking points using the Bible. Do you actually believe what the Bible says?

I think I’m understanding your perspective. You’re a non-Trinitarian, correct?

 

[Inquisitor]

Simple question. I say Jesus is God’s begotten Son, the Bible says Jesus is God’s begotten Son, but you say Jesus is not God’s begotten Son? Begotten refers to offspring. It doesn’t mean anything else.

Jesus Christ, the Word, was only human for a short time. Jesus has always existed.

Your creator became a man to reconcile you to Himself. He stepped down from the throne, humbled Himself and became one of us.

So powerful was that act of divine humility, that no one recognized their own creator.

Ezekiel 1:26
Now above the expanse that was over their heads there was something resembling a throne, like lapis lazuli in appearance; and on that which resembled a throne, high up, was a figure with the appearance of a man.

You were created in that image of God, in the image of the Word, a man.

Do not make the same mistake that humanity has made.

They crucified their Creator and God used that homicidal act, and turned it into a reconciliation for humanity.

A deeply profound revelation of the Word!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Jesus is the pre-existent Son of God, that’s clear all over the New Testament where Jesus is called the Son of God. This would have been difficult to miss. Begotten refers to offspring not adoption. I’ll leave it to you figure out how.

John 1:1 claims the WORD is God and was from the Beginning. Nowhere does it say the WORD was ever the Son of God in the Beginning.

John tells us the WORD is Jesus.

How can your post be true if the WORD was before the Son?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Don’t get ahead of yourself. I haven’t said “Jesus isn’t God.” So don’t bare false witness.

I’m simply refuting your talking points using the Bible. Do you actually believe what the Bible says?

I think I’m understanding your perspective. You’re a non-Trinitarian, correct?

I absolutely believe God is Triune.

God = Father-WORD-Holy Spirit!

For the mission of Saviour and Sacrifice, the WORD became flesh known as Jesus.

 

[Inquisitor]

The only folks I’ve ever met who deny the deity of Jesus are counted among the cults.

They do not understand the identity of the Word!

They trip over names such as, 'good teacher', 'prophet', 'son of God', etc.

The Word was God, was always God, the Word became one of us for a very short time.

The Creator = The Word = YHWH = Lord of heaven and earth!

If you are looking at Jesus then your looking at the Father.

 

[Magenta]

I haven’t said “Jesus isn’t God.” So don’t bare false witness.

This is what you had to say when I affirmed Jesus is God.

Here it is, folks. Magenta believes things the Bible doesn't say and then tries to force them onto other people.

You seem to have no shame in falsely misrepresenting Jesus.

 

[Cameron143]

Only those filled with the Holy Spirit understand Jesus is God.

Do you believe RM is filled with the Holy Spirit since he denies Christ as being God?

I don't pretend to know what is true here. While your statement is correct, Romans 3 says that none seeketh after God. And he seems to be searching. So is God at work in him? I don't know. But I'm sure not willing to push aside what God might be doing. Who knows? Actually exercising love might be the impetus God uses to draw him near.

 

[Runningman]

I absolutely believe God is Triune.

God = Father-WORD-Holy Spirit!

For the mission of Saviour and Sacrifice, the WORD became flesh known as Jesus.

Then why did you not accept this when I asked you about it earlier?

Do you confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father?

Philippians 2
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

 

[Runningman]

I don't pretend to know what is true here. While your statement is correct, Romans 3 says that none seeketh after God. And he seems to be searching. So is God at work in him? I don't know. But I'm sure not willing to push aside what God might be doing. Who knows? Actually exercising love might be the impetus God uses to draw him near.

Yeah don’t let them slander me as some kind of devil who doesn’t love God and would murder Jesus. That’s happened. Meanwhile, I think highly of all of you and practice forgiving those who desperately need forgiveness here. My fruits versus their’s. Take your pick.

I confess Jesus is Lord, the Son of God, and believe in my heart God raised him from the dead. All biblical. They aren’t “defending the truth” by requiring me to say something the Bible doesn’t require me to say.

They just want me banned. It’s a game to them I think.

Sometimes they’ll say something like “ah, there it is.” Or “he finally admits it.” This is a witch hunt. Enjoy the show.

 

[Mem]

There is this one, too; I shall change the wording to make it all-the-more obvious.

Person One: I am cooking so that I can eat.

Person two: Person One said that cooking is eating.

Person three: No, that is not what they said, meant, hinted at, inferred, suggested, insinuated, implied, or expressed, at all.

Person two: Yes they did! They did, they did, they did! I refuse to believe they did not. I will tell everyone that is what they said.

Idk about you, but I'm not eating anything anyone cooks if it has even the slightest hint of doodoo in it.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Then why did you not accept this when I asked you about it earlier?

Do you confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father?

Philippians 2
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

I said I did plus I also say Jesus is God and Saviour.

 

[Runningman]

I said I did plus I also say Jesus is God and Saviour.

I know that’s what you say, my point is that isn’t what the divinely inspired holy writ scripture word of God New Testament says. It says “the glory of God the Father.”

Are you giving all of the glory to God the Father specifically? And if you aren’t can you show me where the Son of God gets glory too, preferably post-crucifixion.

 

[Cameron143]

Yeah don’t let them slander me as some kind of devil who doesn’t love God and would murder Jesus. That’s happened. Meanwhile, I think highly of all of you and practice forgiving those who desperately need forgiveness here. My fruits versus their’s. Take your pick.

I confess Jesus is Lord, the Son of God, and believe in my heart God raised him from the dead. All biblical. They aren’t “defending the truth” by requiring me to say something the Bible doesn’t require me to say.

They just want me banned. It’s a game to them I think.

The concern is that those who have the Holy Spirit will according to scripture believe that Jesus is indeed God. It's a concern for me as well that this isn't your profession. I simply believe we are God's epistles and what sometimes cannot be communicated by words can be communicated by a living letter.
I disagree with the means being employed, not the message being conveyed .

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Yeah don’t let them slander me as some kind of devil who doesn’t love God and would murder Jesus. That’s happened. Meanwhile, I think highly of all of you and practice forgiving those who desperately need forgiveness here. My fruits versus their’s. Take your pick.

I confess Jesus is Lord, the Son of God, and believe in my heart God raised him from the dead. All biblical. They aren’t “defending the truth” by requiring me to say something the Bible doesn’t require me to say.

They just want me banned. It’s a game to them I think.

Sometimes they’ll say something like “ah, there it is.” Or “he finally admits it.” This is a witch hunt. Enjoy the show.

I personally don't want you banned or whatever the punishment is here. I just don't know if Paul, Peter, Thomas can say Jesus is God, and that can be found in the Bible. Why can't you say it?

Surely Paul, Peter, and Thomas are greater than you being personally chosen by Jesus and they can say Jesus is God. Who do you think you are that you refuse to say it?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I know that’s what you say, my point is that isn’t what the divinely inspired holy writ scripture word of God New Testament says. It says “the glory of God the Father.”

Are you giving all of the glory to God the Father specifically? And if you aren’t can you show me where the Son of God gets glory too, preferably post-crucifixion.

Thomas, Paul, and Peter say it. It's factually in the Bible. If they say it so can I.