Doctrine of Unconditional Election
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What kinda comment is that in light of Lk 19:10
10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
And the Covenant Abraham had a eye to was founded on Christ coming in time and dying on the Cross for the redemption of His People, the seed of Abraham Gal 3:13-17
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
God never made no covenant with Abraham in the matter of Salvation, but with Christ, But God revealed that Covenant to Abraham, promising him he and his seed are beneficiaries.
What kinda comment is that in light of Lk 19:10
10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
And the Covenant Abraham had a eye to was founded on Christ coming in time and dying on the Cross for the redemption of His People, the seed of Abraham Gal 3:13-17
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
God never made no covenant with Abraham in the matter of Salvation, but with Christ, But God revealed that Covenant to Abraham, promising him he and his seed are beneficiaries.
Elect before the foundation of the world. Their salvation was dependent upon Christ's offering.
See the above. To be complete, salvation required Christ's offering.
They violate it as do/did we all - for of ourselves we would all have been left as being fitted for destruction. It is only by God's grace through Christ that He chose to remove some from that, He, thereby being gracious to some. The others, remaining under it to be judged. Both are God's prerogative.
See the above. To be complete, salvation required Christ's offering.
They violate it as do/did we all - for of ourselves we would all have been left as being fitted for destruction. It is only by God's grace through Christ that He chose to remove some from that, He, thereby being gracious to some. The others, remaining under it to be judged. Both are God's prerogative.
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thererose
The elect technically were always safe from going to hell premised on the death of Christ in time, yet purposed by God before the time, Christs SuretyShip Death was certain to occur in time, Gods purpose concluded it already done Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
1 Pet 1:20
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Why would God send His Son to die ? Here is what Isa 53:10
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
Thats why friend, It pleased God to do so, and it is written
Ps 115:3
But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
Ps 135:6
Whatsoever the Lord pleased, that did he in heaven, and in earth, in the seas, and all deep places.
And you speak rashly friend with the comment
Salvation from God is based on Christs sacrifice and Gods election, for God elected, chose who would be beneficiaries of Christ saving death, for it pleased Him.
The elect technically were always safe from going to hell premised on the death of Christ in time, yet purposed by God before the time, Christs SuretyShip Death was certain to occur in time, Gods purpose concluded it already done Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
1 Pet 1:20
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Why would God send His Son to die ? Here is what Isa 53:10
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
Thats why friend, It pleased God to do so, and it is written
Ps 115:3
But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
Ps 135:6
Whatsoever the Lord pleased, that did he in heaven, and in earth, in the seas, and all deep places.
And you speak rashly friend with the comment
Salvation from God is based on Christs sacrifice and Gods election, for God elected, chose who would be beneficiaries of Christ saving death, for it pleased Him.
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So, what is your interpretation of Ezk
Your story is, just that, your story, and not scripture.
Ecclesiastes 7:1 - A good name is better than precious ointment, and the day of death than the day of one's birth. This is a scriptural fact, of those who are born again, regardless of what a person thinks when he dies
Your story is, just that, your story, and not scripture.
Ecclesiastes 7:1 - A good name is better than precious ointment, and the day of death than the day of one's birth. This is a scriptural fact, of those who are born again, regardless of what a person thinks when he dies
My questions are genuine. I'm not here to throw shade as the kids say today. This is not familiar to me so I have questions. So if Christ had not come, what would have happened to the elect? Wouldn't they still be the elect.
Why would Christ have to shed His blood if the elect are already safe and assured of heaven. That's not making sense to me.
Violate def- fail to comply with, fail to respect, break a rule.
If God chose/fitted them for destruction, they didn't violate anything. They have no will to do good or evil. They are the same as garbage, they serve no function but to live and die in hell.
Why would Christ have to shed His blood if the elect are already safe and assured of heaven. That's not making sense to me.
Violate def- fail to comply with, fail to respect, break a rule.
If God chose/fitted them for destruction, they didn't violate anything. They have no will to do good or evil. They are the same as garbage, they serve no function but to live and die in hell.
It's bad practice to build doctrine from one scripture that on the surface contradicts many others, even from the same book.
Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Ecc 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
Ps 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
Our hope is in resurrection, not in dying.
Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Ecc 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
Ps 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
Our hope is in resurrection, not in dying.
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By not rightly dividing the salvation scriptures causes God's , well intended, children to believe that they have to do something to receive eternal salvation. They have the promise of an eternal inheritance, but do not have a knowledge of God's righteousness.
Salvation=deliverance, saved=delivered and save=deliver, according to Strong's concordance.
Those that God gave to Jesus, are delivered, eternally, only one time, by Jesus redeeming them from their sins.
Those that he redeemed from their sins, and are born again, are delivered every time that they repent of a sin that they have committed. When they commit a sin, it separates them from fellowship with God, until they repent.
Only those that have been born again will repent of breaking one of God's spiritual laws. The natural man will not repent of breaking one of God's spiritual laws, that he cannot discern, and thinks them to be foolishness.
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God not only chooses some for salvation, he also devotes others to damnation.
So you agree with this comment. Then my question is this, if the elect are chosen already, and the rest are damned, who does that leave as "the lost"? Nothing was lost, the elect/ the damned, there is no one unaccounted for. Do you understand my question? Can you clarify that? I tend to be methodical at times. We're still sittin' on go as they say in the south. I don't want to go past step one until we have it settled.
So you agree with this comment. Then my question is this, if the elect are chosen already, and the rest are damned, who does that leave as "the lost"? Nothing was lost, the elect/ the damned, there is no one unaccounted for. Do you understand my question? Can you clarify that? I tend to be methodical at times. We're still sittin' on go as they say in the south. I don't want to go past step one until we have it settled.
Ok, but they were fitted for destruction, correct? They cannot respond to the Gospel. So how can they be blamed for doing what they were made to do? Understand my question? If I design and build a car and when I am done, it drives it's doing what I created it to do. How can I be angry when it's doing what I created it to do?
I agree that when we die, our spirit goes back to God who gave it, and our bodies sleep, until our resurrection, and because the born again's hope is in the fact that we will not taste of the second death, makes our death better than our natural birth.
I see no contradictions in your other scriptures, unless you explain.
No Im not going to do any more explaining to you. If you dont want to answer to your comment
And I asked you to explain this:
Lk 19:10
10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
Then this isnt going to go nowhere, just need see at the Judgment, which you probably dont believe.
And I asked you to explain this:
Lk 19:10
10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
Then this isnt going to go nowhere, just need see at the Judgment, which you probably dont believe.
I believe the scriptures speak of more that are going to heaven, than to hell.
All of mankind are born into this world by natural birth as filthy rags, and none of us would seek God. until God quickened then to a new spiritual life. (Eph 2:1-5). This is who God had to choose from. He gave those that he choose to Christ, to adopt as his children by redeeming them from their sins (Eph 1:4). The final phase of the adoption will be when Christ comes to gather his elect from the ends of the earth, and takes them to their home in heaven.