Do you observe the Sabbath?

[Inquisitor]

if you teach that something other than faith and trust in Christ is required for salvation, then you are not teaching Biblical truth.

Romans 11:6
But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, since otherwise grace is no longer grace.

Our salvation is always a free gift, only received by grace.

Our righteousness is the very righteousness of Jesus Christ, a gift also.

The fruit we produce in our daily walk is also a gift.

Anyone aware of anything in the Christian life that is not a gift?

 

[Runningman]

if you teach that something other than faith and trust in Christ is required for salvation, then you are not teaching Biblical truth.

Quote where I said “sabbath keeping is required for salvation.” I’d love to see where I said that. Apparently only you saw it.

 

[MessengerofTruth]

Are you talking about the foundation stones of that wall or the western wall itself?

I am referring to the Western Wall, Wailing Wall. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

The Pharisees thought the same thing as you, fortunately Jesus corrected them. I recommend you read some books in the Bible called Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John for more details.

Nope. The book of Dueteronomy defines what keeping the Sabbath means. Not you or me or pharisees.

 

[MessengerofTruth]

Was Jesus physically circumcised?

Your in direct violation of the commandment God gave to Abraham.

What do you say to Rom. 2:25-30, Romans 3:1-2 seems to be referring to the Jews that were formerly circumcised before Christ's resurrection (Acts 10:45 and 11:2); Romans 4:6-13; 1 Cor. 7:17-20.
If you do a word study on Circumcision it seems to say that we are no longer under that, being fulfilled when the Soirit of GOD circumcises our heart as fulfillment. Please correct me if I am wrong. Anyone...

 

[Inquisitor]

I am referring to the Western Wall, Wailing Wall. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I think the western wall is actually the foundation stones. That is, of the western wall of the temple.

 

[MessengerofTruth]

Negative MessengerofTruth.

The sabbath and physical circumcision were both commandments in the Old Testament, before the written law.

The physical commandment to circumcise is shown below.

Genesis 17:11
And you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be the sign of the covenant between Me and you.

All Abrahams male descendants must be circumcised.

If the commandment regarding circumcision in Genesis is no longer a commandment.

Then what happens to the commandment to rest on the sabbath?

God does change.

As I understand it, the Commandment to observe the Sabbath is written in the Finger of GOD in the Tables of Stone. Those Tables were placed in the Ark of the Covenant. The Book of the Law was placed in the side of the Ark (Deut.31:25-26.).

As I understand those things that were placed in the Ark are binding and those things that were placed in the side were subject to fulfilling in Christ. Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[MessengerofTruth]

I think the western wall is actually the foundation stones. That is, of the western wall of the temple.

Jesus did say "not one stone will be left upon another", and yet I look at the Western Wall still standing today.

I believe that 70 A.D. pointed to the guarantee that what Jesus prophesied would surely happen, but we are still waiting for the Complete fulfillment in the days coming.

That is my understanding... Taking GOD at His Word. Correct me if I am wrong.

I want to understand what the LORD has shown you concerning these things.

 

[Inquisitor]

What do you say to Rom. 2:25-30, Romans 3:1-2 seems to be referring to the Jews that were formerly circumcised before Christ's resurrection (Acts 10:45 and 11:2); Romans 4:6-13; 1 Cor. 7:17-20.
If you do a word study on Circumcision it seems to say that we are no longer under that, being fulfilled when the Soirit of GOD circumcises our heart as fulfillment. Please correct me if I am wrong. Anyone...

I was joking.

We are not under the law and definitely not physically circumcised.

Galatians 5:1-5
It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.
Look! I, Paul, tell you that if you have yourselves circumcised, Christ will be of no benefit to you.
And I testify again to every man who has himself circumcised, that he is obligated to keep the whole Law.
You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by the Law; you have fallen from grace.
For we, through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness.
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.

Circumcision is the first step one takes to be considered under the law.

 

[Inquisitor]

As I understand it, the Commandment to observe the Sabbath is written in the Finger of GOD in the Tables of Stone. Those Tables were placed in the Ark of the Covenant. The Book of the Law was placed in the side of the Ark (Deut.31:25-26.).

As I understand those things that were placed in the Ark are binding and those things that were placed in the side were subject to fulfilling in Christ. Correct me if I am wrong.

We are not under the law.

In the Ark or outside the Ark, the law is the law.

The Jews at the time of Jesus were under the law.

The law was never broken up into parts, the Jews were under the 613 laws.

 

[Inquisitor]

I opened this thread in June last year genuinely curious with a moderate lean toward anti-Sabbath keeping. I kept an open mind, prayed, looked at the Bible again and now I believe it’s required. Glory to God of course.

It has been a big blessing by giving me a day set aside to being prayerful and grateful. Whereas before I didn’t really have any such time for that. It has also helped me cut out unnecessary distractions and prioritize a closer relationship with God and it’s spilling over into the other days of the week as well.

Once you say that the sabbath is required, you have rendered salvation by grace void.

Circumcision or sabbath keeping, it makes no difference, they are both the law.

Galatians 5:1-5
It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.
Look! I, Paul, tell you that if you have yourselves circumcised, Christ will be of no benefit to you.
And I testify again to every man who has himself circumcised, that he is obligated to keep the whole Law.
You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by the Law; you have fallen from grace.

To say it is required is seeking to be obedient, justified, faithful, to the law.

That is exactly what you are doing, entering into the agreement to obey the law.

I will obey the law!

 

[SonLight_Wolf]

I don't fault anyone who observed it.

For me every day is Sabbath. Morning meditation and prayer. Evening too.

It's all good.

 

[Runningman]

Once you say that the sabbath is required, you have rendered salvation by grace void.

Circumcision or sabbath keeping, it makes no difference, they are both the law.

Galatians 5:1-5
It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.
Look! I, Paul, tell you that if you have yourselves circumcised, Christ will be of no benefit to you.
And I testify again to every man who has himself circumcised, that he is obligated to keep the whole Law.
You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by the Law; you have fallen from grace.

To say it is required is seeking to be obedient, justified, faithful, to the law.

That is exactly what you are doing, entering into the agreement to obey the law.

I will obey the law!

I didn’t say it’s required for salvation so your pretense is false, but it’s required for something else. If you have figured out what it’s required for yet then maybe we should look at that.

However, you’re free to not obey the 10 commandments if you wish. No one will force you, including God. Are you a Christian? I assumed you were, but your argument seems to be anti-ten commandments.

Do you believe you’re required to obey God, love Him, honor Him, and seek His glory?

 

[Runningman]

Nope. The book of Dueteronomy defines what keeping the Sabbath means. Not you or me or pharisees.

Jesus defines keeping the Sabbath and clearly didn’t have a problem telling someone to pick up their bed and walk.

The point of the Sabbath is to honor God, glorify God, and generally doing good, a point entirely misunderstood by the Pharisees, as well as yourself, when you just told me I’d be sinning by trying to warm my self on a cold Sabbath night.

Additionally, Jesus allowed his disciples to gather food on the Sabbath. If I needed to work a job in order to get food and provide for myself and family, I wouldn’t be violating the Sabbath… and so much more.

The Sabbath is just about remembering it and keeping it holy.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I opened this thread in June last year genuinely curious with a moderate lean toward anti-Sabbath keeping. I kept an open mind, prayed, looked at the Bible again and now I believe it’s required. Glory to God of course.

It has been a big blessing by giving me a day set aside to being prayerful and grateful. Whereas before I didn’t really have any such time for that. It has also helped me cut out unnecessary distractions and prioritize a closer relationship with God and it’s spilling over into the other days of the week as well.

Fair enough. If you're sincere and believe God is leading you in a certain direction that's one thing. If, however, you've been reading seventh-day Sabbath keeping propaganda that's another. Some of this material can be very persuasive and shouldn't be trusted in my opinion.

All I can say is what I said before: Sabbath keeping isn't a requirement for Christians, whether for salvation or anything else.

 

[Inquisitor]

I didn’t say it’s required for salvation so your pretense is false, but it’s required for something else. If you have figured out what it’s required for yet then maybe we should look at that.

However, you’re free to not obey the 10 commandments if you wish. No one will force you, including God. Are you a Christian? I assumed you were, but your argument seems to be anti-ten commandments.

Do you believe you’re required to obey God, love Him, honor Him, and seek His glory?

I have no problem with the ten commandments, they are the written law.

Gentiles are not under the written law, they never were and never will be, under the law.

If you did not mean that the sabbath was 'required' for salvation. Then what possible requirement does it fulfill?

I know it grants the knowledge of sin.

It prefigures the eternal rest in Christ.

There is nothing of benefit to be gained by sabbath observance.

Why bother with the law?

 

[Runningman]

Fair enough. If you're sincere and believe God is leading you in a certain direction that's one thing. If, however, you've been reading seventh-day Sabbath keeping propaganda that's another. Some of this material can be very persuasive and shouldn't be trusted in my opinion.

God is leading me in this direction.

All I can say is what I said before: Sabbath keeping isn't a requirement for Christians, whether for salvation or anything else.

Verse?

 

[ResidentAlien]

Verse?

It's there, keep looking. I'm not trying to convince you.

 

[Runningman]

It's there, keep looking. I'm not trying to convince you.

I can be convinced though and refining my faith and doctrine is one of my callings. But thanks. I'll just peruse the Internet and search for commentaries, hoping I don't get snared by those sneaky SDAs.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I can be convinced though and refining my faith and doctrine is one of my callings. But thanks. I'll just peruse the Internet and search for commentaries, hoping I don't get snared by those sneaky SDAs.

Okay.