Can a Christian lose salvation?
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Is Hebrews for the Body of Christ (Rom - Phm), or, studied 'Rightly
Divided,' for Israel?
For us, the Body of Christ, God Teaches:
God's OPERATION On all HIS New-born babes In Christ
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God's Eternal Assurance
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Precious friend(s):
Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)!
Divided,' for Israel?
For us, the Body of Christ, God Teaches:
God's OPERATION On all HIS New-born babes In Christ
+
God's Eternal Assurance
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Precious friend(s):
Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)!
Thanks for replying.
First, I wrote "May I ask..." - the "May" somehow got lost.
I've thought and worried about this verse and others like it off and on for decades. I've heard both sides vehemently defended by different people.
Unless I'm mistaken, you take the OSAS stance.
I'm unsure what the passage indicates.
You are quite welcome.
I apologize; I did not highlight that part.
Sorry to hear; guess most of us have wondered about difficult verses like the
few that are used to vehemently declare that "the saved can be lost."
I use these rules in my own studies to help me understand doctrine - here is
# 6: The Best "Interpretive" Commentary On The Bible Is :
Eternal Life (~ 6-Dozen Plain and Clear Passages) as my Evidence!
+ about 6-Dozen Here Also, Directly Addressed to me as a "member Of The Body Of Christ" Possibly these comparisons may be helpful - briefly:
Christ Has "always Known those Saved Who 'Are HIS Own'"
(2Ti 2:19; Eph 1:4-6)
and:
Christ Has "NEVER Known those Who 'Are NOT HIS Own'" (Mat 7:21-23)
The NON-osas proponents have, so far, been Unable to vehemently
show Scriptures for the impossible doctrine of:
'Christ ONCE knew the saved, but, when lost, He NO LONGER knows them'.
Make sense? Hope this and the above 'links' will be encouraging and
helpful.
Thanks for taking time to have This Great Bible Discussion!
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Precious friend, Andrew:
Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)!
Chris Endrizzi
I apologize; I did not highlight that part.
Sorry to hear; guess most of us have wondered about difficult verses like the
few that are used to vehemently declare that "the saved can be lost."
I use these rules in my own studies to help me understand doctrine - here is
# 6: The Best "Interpretive" Commentary On The Bible Is :
The BIBLE Itself!
NEVER ever interpret The Many Plain Scriptures by the "few" difficult
verses, But, ALWAYS Always Interpret the few Obscure/Difficult/Dubious
verses By ALL Of The MANY Plain and Clear Passages Of God’s Pure And
Holy Word!
Correct, I believe, for me, anyway, That God Says He Saved me With HIS Eternal Life (~ 6-Dozen Plain and Clear Passages) as my Evidence!
+ about 6-Dozen Here Also, Directly Addressed to me as a "member Of The Body Of Christ" Possibly these comparisons may be helpful - briefly:
Christ Has "always Known those Saved Who 'Are HIS Own'"
(2Ti 2:19; Eph 1:4-6)
and:
Christ Has "NEVER Known those Who 'Are NOT HIS Own'" (Mat 7:21-23)
The NON-osas proponents have, so far, been Unable to vehemently
show Scriptures for the impossible doctrine of:
'Christ ONCE knew the saved, but, when lost, He NO LONGER knows them'.
Make sense? Hope this and the above 'links' will be encouraging and
helpful.
Thanks for taking time to have This Great Bible Discussion!
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Precious friend, Andrew:
Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)!
Chris Endrizzi
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I agree that they will not be shriveled, but...
Matthew 7
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Matthew 7
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
He might have said "none there be who find it" John Wesley was one who "found" it and immediately he ran down to the broad way and pulled multitudes off that road and into the narrow way.
Peter had asked "Lord will few be saved?" Jesus said "that is not your business Peter, your business is to stay in the narrow way so that I might use you, if you will stay in the narrow way I will use you to catch great multitudes of men just like I used you to catch great multitudes of fish"
... that is a paraphrase by the way ....
Peter had asked "Lord will few be saved?" Jesus said "that is not your business Peter, your business is to stay in the narrow way so that I might use you, if you will stay in the narrow way I will use you to catch great multitudes of men just like I used you to catch great multitudes of fish"
... that is a paraphrase by the way ....
So you think the below passage isn’t about the future? When did Jesus sit on a throne, with his 12 disciples, Judas Iscariot included, each having a throne, to judge Israel? When did they inherit eternal life?
Matthew 19
28Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.29And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.
Matthew 19
28Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.29And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.
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Excellent question. Judas was at one time told he would have eternal life and a throne so as long as what Jesus said is true then the answer to your question is yes.
Now here’s the important point. Did Judas remain OSAS or did he lose his salvation? Before anyone says “he was never saved to begin with” then I must insist Jesus’ words prove otherwise.
Now here’s the important point. Did Judas remain OSAS or did he lose his salvation? Before anyone says “he was never saved to begin with” then I must insist Jesus’ words prove otherwise.