Is The Earth Flat Or Round?
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If the Bible is the authority, than the Heliocentric model is forever dead.
The Earth doesn't move and if you believe it does, than you are not only denying the Bible, but also denying observable science. Those who believe in opposites to support the earth moving, don't believe what the Bible says, or their own eyes, and natural senses.
You who laid the foundations of the earth, So that it should not be moved forever, Psalm 104:5
Where is your Biblical support Heliocentric Model believers?!?!
The Earth doesn't move and if you believe it does, than you are not only denying the Bible, but also denying observable science. Those who believe in opposites to support the earth moving, don't believe what the Bible says, or their own eyes, and natural senses.
You who laid the foundations of the earth, So that it should not be moved forever, Psalm 104:5
Where is your Biblical support Heliocentric Model believers?!?!
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True. If you look closely at the picture of earth I posted you'll see comments by flat earth proponents who claim a fish eye lense was used to make earth appear spherical.
https://m.dpreview.com/news/6467468...-meir-uses-nikon-d5-to-snap-two-space-selfies
In my view the flat Earth myth is not arrived at through reason. It's a myth, a hoax. Not truth.
https://m.dpreview.com/news/6467468...-meir-uses-nikon-d5-to-snap-two-space-selfies
In my view the flat Earth myth is not arrived at through reason. It's a myth, a hoax. Not truth.
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Look closely at the verse you cited:
You who laid the foundations of the earth, So that it should not be moved forever, Psalm 104:5
Forever?
But God has told us that heaven & earth will pass away & he will create a new heaven & earth.
The whole council of scipture is an important guideline for Bible students.
Building a dogmatic stance on one verse can lead to some strange conclusions that don't line up with scripture as a whole.
Especially where poetic, metaphorical language is employed.
God firmly established The Earth. He made it to endure. That doesn't mean it wasn't made to function as a rotating object.
The verse that tells us God is not a man that he should change his mind- doesn't nullify intercessory prayer or the fact
that he made a new covenant. Or that he became man to save us.
God is not the author of confusion- shouldn't lead us to believe that God doesn't confuse the enemy.
I believe God created the cycle of day/night, months & years as recorded in Genesis 1: 14-19. The only model that accounts
for what God described there is a heliocentric solar system.
Kindly cut the "you-don't-believe-the-bible" rubbish.
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The Earth's movement cited in that Psalm is relative to its foundations
rather than movement per se. We today know those foundations to be
gravity, velocity, and centrifugal force. (cf. Job 26:7)
The Hebrew word translated "forever" doesn't always pertain to infinity. It
sometimes pertains to perpetuity. Well; the Earth has yet to escape its
foundations and go off on its own; so thus far that Psalm has been very
accurate.
Some years ago, a wise acre on another forum took on the bible thumpers
by systematically posting a list of supposed contradictions that he found on
the internet. After patiently resolving the first six, I stood up to the guy and
said: I've already torpedoed six of your so-called contradictions. How much
longer are you going to continue this game in hopes of finally coming up
with a "silver bullet" that blows everybody out of the water?
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The Earth's movement cited in that Psalm is relative to its foundations
rather than movement per se. We today know those foundations to be
gravity, velocity, and centrifugal force. (cf. Job 26:7)
The Hebrew word translated "forever" doesn't always pertain to infinity. It
sometimes pertains to perpetuity. Well; the Earth has yet to escape its
foundations and go off on its own; so thus far that Psalm has been very
accurate.
Some years ago, a wise acre on another forum took on the bible thumpers
by systematically posting a list of supposed contradictions that he found on
the internet. After patiently resolving the first six, I stood up to the guy and
said: I've already torpedoed six of your so-called contradictions. How much
longer are you going to continue this game in hopes of finally coming up
with a "silver bullet" that blows everybody out of the water?
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Nothing is coincidence with aircraft design. Like I said, wing design has to take in a number of variables. I'm not privy to the exact design parameters of any aircraft, especially the most secret SR 71. I'm not surprised that there is significant variation between aircraft of differing performance.
The objective of wing design is to provide lift. This has to be maintained at the operating conditions of the aircraft. I've flown accurate flight sims of commercial aircraft. It is way easier to crash than to fly. Get the aircraft outside the flight parameters (such as too high a rate of climb) and the wing will stall.
The other issue is getting back on the ground. There has to be controllable descent. Too much lift and the aircraft will float until gravity takes over. That's called a crash. This is a substantial problem on high performance aircraft. Reduce the landing speed and you reduce lift. Too low and again, the wing stalls and you are dead.
So angle of attack is simply what is required to maintain sufficient airflow over the wing. It has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
The objective of wing design is to provide lift. This has to be maintained at the operating conditions of the aircraft. I've flown accurate flight sims of commercial aircraft. It is way easier to crash than to fly. Get the aircraft outside the flight parameters (such as too high a rate of climb) and the wing will stall.
The other issue is getting back on the ground. There has to be controllable descent. Too much lift and the aircraft will float until gravity takes over. That's called a crash. This is a substantial problem on high performance aircraft. Reduce the landing speed and you reduce lift. Too low and again, the wing stalls and you are dead.
So angle of attack is simply what is required to maintain sufficient airflow over the wing. It has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
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Look closely at the verse you cited:
You who laid the foundations of the earth, So that it should not be moved forever, Psalm 104:5
Forever?
But God has told us that heaven & earth will pass away & he will create a new heaven & earth.
The whole council of scipture is an important guideline for Bible students.
Building a dogmatic stance on one verse can lead to some strange conclusions that don't line up with scripture as a whole.
Especially where poetic, metaphorical language is employed.
God firmly established The Earth. He made it to endure. That doesn't mean it wasn't made to function as a rotating object.
The verse that tells us God is not a man that he should change his mind- doesn't nullify intercessory prayer or the fact
that he made a new covenant. Or that he became man to save us.
God is not the author of confusion- shouldn't lead us to believe that God doesn't confuse the enemy.
I believe God created the cycle of day/night, months & years as recorded in Genesis 1: 14-19. The only model that accounts
for what God described there is a heliocentric solar system.
Kindly cut the "you-don't-believe-the-bible" rubbish.
You who laid the foundations of the earth, So that it should not be moved forever, Psalm 104:5
Forever?
But God has told us that heaven & earth will pass away & he will create a new heaven & earth.
The whole council of scipture is an important guideline for Bible students.
Building a dogmatic stance on one verse can lead to some strange conclusions that don't line up with scripture as a whole.
Especially where poetic, metaphorical language is employed.
God firmly established The Earth. He made it to endure. That doesn't mean it wasn't made to function as a rotating object.
The verse that tells us God is not a man that he should change his mind- doesn't nullify intercessory prayer or the fact
that he made a new covenant. Or that he became man to save us.
God is not the author of confusion- shouldn't lead us to believe that God doesn't confuse the enemy.
I believe God created the cycle of day/night, months & years as recorded in Genesis 1: 14-19. The only model that accounts
for what God described there is a heliocentric solar system.
Kindly cut the "you-don't-believe-the-bible" rubbish.
Ecclesiastes 1:5
The sun rises, and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.
Joshua 10:12-14
At that time Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, “Sun, stand still at Gibeon, and moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.” And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day. There has been no day like it before or since, when the Lord heeded the voice of a man, for the Lord fought for Israel.
I will just spell it out, since I don't know how else to put it.
There seems to be verifiable evidence that the faster a plane flies, the higher the nose must pitch up. I won't ask you to verify this, or confirm it, but I have already stated the example two times. So, you can dismiss this again, it won't bother me none, but this is the point I wanted you to understand.
If the earth is convex, like the Heliocentric model proclaims, planes would need to be angled downward, the faster they go, or else they would gaining altitude.
I will use pictures to help illustrate the point. Want to stay with the Biblical theme for a little bit.
This is a plane taking off, notice how far the nose is angled up?!?!
This is a plane landing, notice how far the nose is angled down?
This is a plane losing altitude, by pointing it's nose down. It's still airborne some how!! lol
SR 71 taking off.
It came directly out of my thoughts during a period of time preceeding the submission of the post.
It is as 'original' as it gets...
It is as 'original' as it gets...
O.k. then! Very nice.
I noticed there are more than 10 flat earthers on this thread, that is insane.
By the way, does Flat Earthers think the Earth is stationary, or is the disc spinning out in the cosmos some where? Just curious.
Rob Skiba was sadly murdered by a hospital during the corona-hoax. But I liked his videos. He was a very sharp man, a Christian (although I am unaware of all of his theological beliefs) and a Flat Earther. He beat Robert Sungenis (leading geocentrist) in a debate on Flat Earth, and Kent Hovind (proponent of heliocentrism) was too frightened to even debate him, so lost by default - the same mighty Kent Hovind who was and is an expert debater on all things Creation, knew that he couldn't beat Rob Skiba in a debate on Flat Earth, because Flat Earth is the truth.
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Solomon's day had very little to offer in the way of discoveries and higher
mathematics; so his observational capabilities were pretty much limited to a
man's natural senses.
For example, in Solomon's experience, the Sun appeared to slide across the
sky, but we today know from discovery that the Sun is stationary, and its
rising and setting are caused by the Earth's rotation towards the east.
NOTE: Ecclesiastes is the Bible's fun book because it's chock full of normal
thinking. It requires very little interpretation as anybody who's been around
the block a time or two can easily relate to Solomon's thoughts. He
composed his comments from the perspective of a philosophical man who's
understanding of life and the hereafter is moderated by empirical evidence
and the normal round of human experience.
Ecclesiastes is a handy book of the Bible for showing that not all religious
people are kooks with their heads in the clouds and unable to see things as
they are through the eyes of normal people. Unfortunately some have taken
to quoting Ecclesiastes as if it's divine revelation, and thus forcing it into a
category of information where it should never be.
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Solomon's day had very little to offer in the way of discoveries and higher
mathematics; so his observational capabilities were pretty much limited to a
man's natural senses.
For example, in Solomon's experience, the Sun appeared to slide across the
sky, but we today know from discovery that the Sun is stationary, and its
rising and setting are caused by the Earth's rotation towards the east.
NOTE: Ecclesiastes is the Bible's fun book because it's chock full of normal
thinking. It requires very little interpretation as anybody who's been around
the block a time or two can easily relate to Solomon's thoughts. He
composed his comments from the perspective of a philosophical man who's
understanding of life and the hereafter is moderated by empirical evidence
and the normal round of human experience.
Ecclesiastes is a handy book of the Bible for showing that not all religious
people are kooks with their heads in the clouds and unable to see things as
they are through the eyes of normal people. Unfortunately some have taken
to quoting Ecclesiastes as if it's divine revelation, and thus forcing it into a
category of information where it should never be.
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I love that event because it affords an opportunity to tinker with numbers.
The Earth's rotational surface speed is roughly 1,040 mph at the equator;
where its diameter is roughly 7,926.4 miles, and its circumference 24,901.5
miles.
Now, as we move north from the equator; the Earth's diameter, and
consequently its circumference, gets smaller and smaller. This can be easily
seen on any desktop globe that has lines of latitude drawn on the map.
Latitudes north of the equator take just as many hours to make a full circle
as the equator, but seeing as how circles of latitude have less distance to
travel in 24 hours, then their rotational surface speed is less.
For example the latitude at Jerusalem is 31°.772 north. At that location, the
circumference of a circle of latitude is 21,170 miles. Dividing that by 24
hours gives a rotational surface speed of 882.1 mph, which is like Mach 1.15
So there is a significant safety issue to consider when bringing the Earth's
rotation to a halt because folks residing at Jerusalem are the Earth's
passengers and thus moving right along with it at 882.1 mph.
Noah's global deluge was an amazing miracle by itself, but I think the
miracle depicted by Joshua 10:12-14 deserves far more awe.
* There's quite a bit of skepticism related to this event primarily because
there's yet to be found a record of it in ancient history.
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I love that event because it affords an opportunity to tinker with numbers.
The Earth's rotational surface speed is roughly 1,040 mph at the equator;
where its diameter is roughly 7,926.4 miles, and its circumference 24,901.5
miles.
Now, as we move north from the equator; the Earth's diameter, and
consequently its circumference, gets smaller and smaller. This can be easily
seen on any desktop globe that has lines of latitude drawn on the map.
Latitudes north of the equator take just as many hours to make a full circle
as the equator, but seeing as how circles of latitude have less distance to
travel in 24 hours, then their rotational surface speed is less.
For example the latitude at Jerusalem is 31°.772 north. At that location, the
circumference of a circle of latitude is 21,170 miles. Dividing that by 24
hours gives a rotational surface speed of 882.1 mph, which is like Mach 1.15
So there is a significant safety issue to consider when bringing the Earth's
rotation to a halt because folks residing at Jerusalem are the Earth's
passengers and thus moving right along with it at 882.1 mph.
Noah's global deluge was an amazing miracle by itself, but I think the
miracle depicted by Joshua 10:12-14 deserves far more awe.
* There's quite a bit of skepticism related to this event primarily because
there's yet to be found a record of it in ancient history.
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