Corporal punishment in schools. Is it time to bring back the strap?

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Dude653 said:
And what are the regulations on homeschooling
What if they're teaching their kids then the Earth is flat and two plus two equals 57
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Regulations vary from state to state and it is incumbent on home educators to know the laws for their particular jurisdiction.
 
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Cameron143 said:
You don't always have to assume the worst. I'm sure there are abuses. But typically homeschooling families have multiple children, are faith oriented, and place a high priority on the education of their children.
One added bonus: our routines were never altered when schools shut down. Even my children in college were better prepared because they were used to a learning environment from home.
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And Id add that most parents are good at preparing their children for the what if scenarios.
 
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Cameron143 said:
I would agree and on a whole host of levels. Do you homeschool?
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I was going to ask you more about your homeschooling experiences but wasnt sure if you wanted to go in detail...
No I dont homeschool. My church have started up a homeschooling support group that I am interested in learning more about. Also Im a teacher so would miss being in the classroom :(
 
TheNarrowPath said:
I was going to ask you more about your homeschooling experiences but wasnt sure if you wanted to go in detail...
No I dont homeschool. My church have started up a homeschooling support group that I am interested in learning more about. Also Im a teacher so would miss being in the classroom :(
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That's the great thing about homeschooling--you can do both. Who said children can only learn from 9 am to 330 pm?
Early education in America was often built around work requirements, even for children.
The most difficult problem for people considering homeschooling isn't whether they can do it but whether they can alter their preconceived notions about education.
Traditional public school aligns itself with the working hours of the majority of workers. I have never seen a study that states the most efficient time of day to maximize learning is between 9 and 330. It's just the most convenient time for so many.
And I'm always amenable to answering any questions you might have.
 
While working on my PhD, I sat in on an educational psychology course required of all education majors. It was there that I discovered just how important the subject was for teachers, and just how little the students understood the psychology of teaching. Each student in the class had to present a paper on the subject "The most important thing a teacher must have". Out of the 30+ presentations, not one mentioned respect. The sad thing was the professor didn't mention it in classroom lectures either.

In the years following that course, I have found respect missing in most public, private and christian schools, and sadly, most homes.
 
Cameron143 said:
That's the great thing about homeschooling--you can do both. Who said children can only learn from 9 am to 330 pm?
Early education in America was often built around work requirements, even for children.
The most difficult problem for people considering homeschooling isn't whether they can do it but whether they can alter their preconceived notions about education.
Traditional public school aligns itself with the working hours of the majority of workers. I have never seen a study that states the most efficient time of day to maximize learning is between 9 and 330. It's just the most convenient time for so many.
And I'm always amenable to answering any questions you might have.
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Exactly! Good points youve made! You have given me lots to think on :)
 
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Cameron143 said:
While I agree with the sentiment, let's put something in its place first. Otherwise, we will end up with an education debacle similar to the energy debacle we are suffering through now.
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Theres too much government interference in families. Parents need to take back control of their children.
 
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If someone is going to public schools, they need to get into the "Honors" or magnet programs to get a decent to great education. Students are not geting a decent education through the regular classes. Most of the students in the regular classes are not focused students. The problem is more with the students not the teachers. To be in the Honors program students spend a lot of time studying/homework. However some parents do not like homework so they are partially at fault too.
 
JohnDB said:
School teachers have been notorious for being unskilled in the classroom...
everything from failing their own tests to setting up caste systems and animosity towards other students for no ryme or reason other than the side of the classroom they sat on.
Then there's a minimum of at least 5% of the current teachers who are pedophiles.

Then there's the few good teachers who are left unsupported by administration when dealing with unruly students who disrupt class. These students are poorly parented at home (abuse, neglect, and etc) and cause chaos in school.

Then on top of this....classes are now taught to the ability of the lowest performing child. Not the middle and let grades be what may...but the lowest performing so everyone gets a passing grade.
And now there is also no such thing as "the short bus"....so special needs children are mixed in with regular children. So all students are taught at a special needs level. The exceptional students are mixed in as well. But often those kids (the ones capable of graduating HS at 9 years old) just GED out and get warehousing until emotionally mature enough for college. They used to get special classes to help them with their advanced cognitive skills and understand
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And teachers and parents are told that this is what is best for special needs students, to be in mainstream schools so they can socialize with their peers. But then the class is dumbed down in core subjects as the lessons are tailored so the special needs children can fit in. I recall a student that was physically handicapped but the mother wanted the child in mainstream. The student was in a wheelchair but preferred to be on the floor crawling. This involved having a teacher aide at all times and it ended up being disruptive to the class learning. In the end the teacher aide funding was declined and the parent did not understand that even though they wanted to socialize their child, the school saw it from a safety perspective.
 
MsMediator said:
Physical discipline can easily cross over into abuse because the parent is unable to control his/her temper and emotions. An honest parent would admit he/she was abusive at times. It's these experiences that the child remembers for a lifetime, and this could even affect future relationships, etc. So, it is better to do away with physical discipline and find other measures.
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Tell that to God. Obviously He has no idea how to raise children. I listen to women shouting at their kids while they run riot. Then they give the child whatever they are demanding, just to keep the peace. I'm 71. I'm glad I won't be around when these entitled brats are running the country. Read Isaiah chapter 3 if you want to know what's coming.
 
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Dude653 said:
Be a bad idea because not everyone can homeschool
Remember that movie idiocracy? That would be real life
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For thousamds of years man prospered with out public school, and produced the greatest philosophy, art, and cultures. I think public schools have created the idiocracy that we now endure.
 
Locoponydirtman said:
For thousamds of years man prospered with out public school, and produced the greatest philosophy, art, and cultures. I think public schools have created the idiocracy that we now endure.
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Philosophy is all fine and good but it's not a substitute for actual education.
And there are some people who probably have no business homeschooling like people who think the Earth is flat
 
Dude653 said:
Philosophy is all fine and good but it's not a substitute for actual education.
And there are some people who probably have no business homeschooling like people who think the Earth is flat
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Meh, what people need educated in, is how to function and be productive. Public school is the antithisis of that.
Public education created the possibility of these flat earthers who by their flawed thinking are confident in their stupidity.
 
Locoponydirtman said:
Meh, what people need educated in, is how to function and be productive. Public school is the antithisis of that.
Public education created the possibility of these flat earthers who by their flawed thinking are confident in their stupidity.
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Well I've been saying this for years but logical fallacies and cognitive biases should be part of school curriculum
 
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