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I don’t reject science
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I just believe God spoke and it was.

this is a level of thinking.... "milk"... i.e faith so to speak. faith in words, in the letter. basic ideas, beliefs... often given to us by others... their teachings... or just the literal reading (letter/ not spirit) so we don't always know any better. but we can go beyond milk and basic thinking... to learn many more things.

made in God's image, we have minds that can consider many things and viewpoints... over time... if /and as we are able. God's thoughts are not our own the Bible tells us so it can be difficult to maybe consider what more there might be to learn even if/ when we have never wondered or questioned much beyond where we are at in our current understanding... but have accepted it -- as is...
 
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Has anyone here ever done a time study themselves starting in Genesis 5? If you have the most likely conclusion is you have came up with about 6000 years. I know I have myself. When it says in 2 Peter 3:8 But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. Many say time has no meaning to God and I say how foolish. This was planned from creation. When the sixth day ends ( 6000 years), Christ will reign for a thousand years in the seventh day.
 

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1. Evening and the morning being used sort of destroys this theory
2. if god created the lights to be used on the earth when he created them it does not take billions of years, he is God he is able to make the ,get appear that day.

so your end of debate was just destroyed
No, I destroyed your lack of knowledge brother. You are still thinking in days as 24 hours. The word YOWM means what? TO BE HOT........

Strong's #3117: yowm (pronounced yome)
from an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours)

So, if you look at this pic below, you will see that there was 400 Million Years of Darkness (Evening) before Stars ever started to form (Morning)

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Microwave pictures are real, just like an Airplane uses to use it. These are pics of the Universe from the veery beginning until now.

Quantum Fluctuations was movement outside our Universe before Creation began (God)

Inflation = the Big Bang or God saying creating the universe via His command.

Afterglow, there was 375,000 years of afterglow, followed by the dark ages.

DARK AGES = 400 million years of Darkness which matches Gen. 1:1-3, Now watch how this matches.

Gen. 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form(Not there YET), and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Stars started forming 400 million years later. So, this Scientific Space Probe takes Microwave Pictures of the Universe which PROVES Gen. 1 and we are not smart enough to use those as a tool to our advantage. DARKENESS (Evening) came first followed by Stars (TO BE HOT) which only came 400 million years later, thus God mentions the Darkness first, then says "Let there be Light" later !! And the Evening (Darkness) and the Morning (Light) was first day.

This is why the Evening was first and the Morning came later.
 
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No, I destroyed your lack of knowledge brother. You are still thinking in days as 24 hours. The word YOWM means what? TO BE HOT........

Strong's #3117: yowm (pronounced yome)
from an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours)

So, if you look at this pic below, you will see that there was 400 Million Years of Darkness (Evening) before Stars ever started to form (Morning)

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Microwave pictures are real, just like an Airplane uses to use it. These are pics of the Universe from the veery beginning until now.

Quantum Fluctuations was movement outside our Universe before Creation began (God)

Inflation = the Big Bang or God saying creating the universe via His command.

Afterglow, there was 375,000 years of afterglow, followed by the dark ages.

DARK AGES = 400 million years of Darkness which matches Gen. 1:1-3, Now watch how this matches.

Gen. 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form(Not there YET), and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Stars started forming 400 million years later. So, this Scientific Space Probe takes Microwave Pictures of the Universe which PROVES Gen. 1 and we are not smart enough to use those as a tool to our advantage. DARKENESS (Evening) came first followed by Stars (TO BE HOT) which only came 400 million years later, thus God mentions the Darkness first, then says "Let there be Light" later !! And the Evening (Darkness) and the Morning (Light) was first day.

This is why the Evening was first and the Morning came later.
Amen brother. :) I believe in the old Earth creationism also. Plus, astronomy and the old age of the universe (13.8B years) is impressive, and makes me feel infinitely small in God's massive timeline of Creation. Honestly, since the Big Bang emitted a lot of light, redshifted in the form of microwaves (let there be light), that burst of light fortified my faith in God even further when I was 10-11 when I first learned about universe in an Astronomy magazine.
 

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No, I destroyed your lack of knowledge brother. You are still thinking in days as 24 hours. The word YOWM means what? TO BE HOT........

Strong's #3117: yowm (pronounced yome)
from an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours)

So, if you look at this pic below, you will see that there was 400 Million Years of Darkness (Evening) before Stars ever started to form (Morning)

View attachment 246242
Microwave pictures are real, just like an Airplane uses to use it. These are pics of the Universe from the veery beginning until now.

Quantum Fluctuations was movement outside our Universe before Creation began (God)

Inflation = the Big Bang or God saying creating the universe via His command.

Afterglow, there was 375,000 years of afterglow, followed by the dark ages.

DARK AGES = 400 million years of Darkness which matches Gen. 1:1-3, Now watch how this matches.

Gen. 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form(Not there YET), and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Stars started forming 400 million years later. So, this Scientific Space Probe takes Microwave Pictures of the Universe which PROVES Gen. 1 and we are not smart enough to use those as a tool to our advantage. DARKENESS (Evening) came first followed by Stars (TO BE HOT) which only came 400 million years later, thus God mentions the Darkness first, then says "Let there be Light" later !! And the Evening (Darkness) and the Morning (Light) was first day.

This is why the Evening was first and the Morning came later.
Typical text book mythology. But hardly compelling.

A plasma electromagnetic universe cosmology is far more plausibe, being backed up by compelling comprehensive irrefutable observations.

Standard model theories (like your post) are kaput. Obsolete and erroneous.
 

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Amen brother. :) I believe in the old Earth creationism also. Plus, astronomy and the old age of the universe (13.8B years) is impressive, and makes me feel infinitely small in God's massive timeline of Creation. Honestly, since the Big Bang emitted a lot of light, redshifted in the form of microwaves (let there be light), that burst of light fortified my faith in God even further when I was 10-11 when I first learned about universe in an Astronomy magazine.
They get the KNOWLEDGE that proves God, and do not know how to use it to reach souls. Kind of odd. I wrote a sorta blog on this 5 or so years ago showing how every "day" went, how the first day lasted 9.2 billion years, why the Fourth Day is not God creating Light AGAIN, but Him creating THE SEASONS, and he did so by the moon and earth crashing into each other thus the moon gives us our Orderly Seasons !! I also show how Man can be and his only 6000 years old. Because we did not become Human Beings until God imparted His spirit into us, thus all the men like animals were just that, until God placed his Spirit in Adam there were no Human Beings. That happened 6000 years ago, men are great record keepers, we did nit just start keeping records all at once. We were created by God 6000 or so years ago.
 

Rondonmon

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Typical text book mythology. But hardly compelling.

A plasma electromagnetic universe cosmology is far more plausibe, being backed up by compelling comprehensive irrefutable observations.

Standard model theories (like your post) are kaput. Obsolete and erroneous.
I am correct, you keep pushing people away from God with your wrong think.
 
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They get the KNOWLEDGE that proves God, and do not know how to use it to reach souls. Kind of odd. I wrote a sorta blog on this 5 or so years ago showing how every "day" went, how the first day lasted 9.2 billion years, why the Fourth Day is not God creating Light AGAIN, but Him creating THE SEASONS, and he did so by the moon and earth crashing into each other thus the moon gives us our Orderly Seasons !! I also show how Man can be and his only 6000 years old. Because we did not become Human Beings until God imparted His spirit into us, thus all the men like animals were just that, until God placed his Spirit in Adam there were no Human Beings. That happened 6000 years ago, men are great record keepers, we did nit just start keeping records all at once. We were created by God 6000 or so years ago.
Agreed. While the universe may be 14B years old, Earth 5B years old and life 3.8B years old, the first modern civilization didn't start until 5000 BC, roughly the same time that God breathed life into the first humans. While there may be skeletons and stuff from hundreds of millennia ago that resemble humans, the human spirit wasn't developed until way more recently.

Notice how humans only began to build solid structures 5-10 thousand years BC, roughly after Adam & Eve. Every human-like creature before then didn't have the capacity to build structure, therefore, it seems that God must have developed a new species, us, around 5000-10000 BC. Skeletons from 100,000 BC may match ours, but those "humans" were not spiritual like us.
 

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Agreed. While the universe may be 14B years old, Earth 5B years old and life 3.8B years old, the first modern civilization didn't start until 5000 BC, roughly the same time that God breathed life into the first humans. While there may be skeletons and stuff from hundreds of millennia ago that resemble humans, the human spirit wasn't developed until way more recently.

Notice how humans only began to build solid structures 5-10 thousand years BC, roughly after Adam & Eve. Every human-like creature before then didn't have the capacity to build structure, therefore, it seems that God must have developed a new species, us, around 5000-10000 BC. Skeletons from 100,000 BC may match ours, but those "humans" were not spiritual like us.
Nice posting. Although what you say makes a good argument, I will not, no, cannot take way fro seven days' creation, for our Father does what He will when He wills, that is to say all mighty, and He does what He will.
 

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I am correct, you keep pushing people away from God with your wrong think.
Yes or no question for you:

Do you believe that "electrons" are moving through wires, thereby "powering" your dishwasher?
 

cv5

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I am correct, you keep pushing people away from God with your wrong think.
There you go bro. Try to keep up will you?

theoria apophasis gravity - YouTube

Theoria Apophasis - YouTube

theoria apophasis speed of light - YouTube

Andrew Hall could be on to something....not that I necessarily agree with all he proposes. Mountain ranges built in hours or days? Absolutely possible in a number of scenarios.

(2) arc blasted earth andrew hall - YouTube

(2) thunderbolts andrew hall - YouTube
 

Rondonmon

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There you go bro. Try to keep up will you?

theoria apophasis gravity - YouTube

Theoria Apophasis - YouTube

theoria apophasis speed of light - YouTube

Andrew Hall could be on to something....not that I necessarily agree with all he proposes. Mountain ranges built in hours or days? Absolutely possible in a number of scenarios.

(2) arc blasted earth andrew hall - YouTube

(2) thunderbolts andrew hall - YouTube
I am not paying attention to distractions. The Universe is 13.7 billion years old, the Earth is 4.5 billion years old. Mankind is roughly 6000 years old. I show how it all went down from God's perspective, after all, Gen. 1 is the telling of Creation from God's POV, not Moses, he wasn't there.

My semi blog to Quora and to many Atheist sites.

I as a 30 year Christian try to think outside the box of normality. Is the universe 6000 years old? Is the universe 13.7 billion years old? Do these two questions clash or is there a translation barrier !! This is how I think. I try to bring both poles of thought towards each other starting with the facts. We know the universe has to be over 6000 years old because we see light from stars that are millions of light years away, so we would have to be very naive to think the universe is only 6000 years old.

Onward to what Genesis says about creation, does it really say the universe or earth is 6000 years old? I don’t think it does, I think its a mistranslation of a primitive language that had only around 4000 words at the time Genesis was written, whereas the English language has 500,000 words. So many of the Hebrew words were used in multiple ways. For instance the original meaning of the Hebrew word YOWM (Day) means “to be hot” and there are at least 50 other meanings listed in strong’s concordance’s lexicon of Hebrew words. A year, a month, a period of time, chronicles, evening and morning (Beginning and end), age, perpetually, long, some time, whole, X required season, continually etc. etc., well you get the point.

YOWM or “To be hot”, what would this mean and why was it used since God is supposed to have given Moses the first five books of the Torah Himself. Well when the universe was spoken into existence by God, it took 400 million years for the first stars to form. So the first Day (to be hot) was the Evening (Darkness, 400 million years of darkness) and the Morning ( The stars started forming) and the first day was a “period of time” and in my opinion it lasted from 13.7 Billion BC until 4.5 Billion BC (9.2 Billion years) when the Sun & Earth were formed. So lets take a second and look at the Bible and the WMAP research and see if this matches.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void (not there yet, just commanded to come forth); and darkness was upon the face of the deep(No stars yet, thus DARKNESS). And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters (This is key also, sunbeams must be reflected, our atmosphere with moisture REFLECTS these beams, just outside our atmosphere it is much, much darker !! )

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light(Thus EVENING or 400 million years of Darkness, was followed by LIGHT or stars forming 400 million years later).

Now look below at the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) which launched in 2001 and won many awards, they mapped the whole universe out. Below as we see, you had Quantum Fluctuations which I contend is God, then you had Inflation, followed by Afterglow, followed by 400 MILLION YEARS of Darkness !! Just like the bible says in verse 2, and there was Darkness on the Face of the Deep !! Gods word is perfect, it is us who are confused. Dark ages mapped out by the WMAP, followed by what? The first stars forming at the 400 million year mark. Verse three says what? and God said “Let there be light” God is right again. We are looking at Creation from Gods POV, no man was there of course and with God he is not subject to time, he created time for us via this universe, but He is eternal and thus was never created. Remember the verse, a thousand years is like a day and a day like unto a thousand years unto God. In other words God lives in the past, present and future all at the same time. He is not from this universe, thus He has no need of being created, He is eternal.


So we had the Big Bang, followed by Inflation, followed by Cosmic Microwave background where after 375,000 years loose electrons cool enough to combine with protons. The universe becomes transparent to light. The microwave background begins to shine. Then the dark ages/clouds of dark hydrogen gas cool and coalesce.

The first stars appear….Gas clouds collapse, the fusion of stars begin, the first of which appears at about 400 million years after the big bang. So, when the bible says Darkness was on the face of the deep, God knew exactly what was happening in the very beginning !! The more we look for the answers, the more that science and the bible will converge, if both sides with differing viewpoints would only take their blinders off.

The second day (period of time) of course would be from the Earth & the Suns formation until the grasses and trees came forth on the Third day (period of time) then on the Fourth day it seems God set the Seasons or placed the moon in its perfect orbit where our seasons are not strange and chaotic, but orderly. I know the moon and earth is supposed to have collided. Anyway, that set the seasons, times, years etc. etc. Mind you, all of these ideas are rudimentary observations. A theory of how the things God says in His Holy word and science can both be factual. They are not meant to imply everything went down just so and in like manner, the dates of course are guesstimates, I wasn’t there. But what I do know is they were not 24 hour days, that is nonsensical to me tbh.

On the fifth day God created the sea animals/birds and what not, were the Dinos created here or with the land animals? The fifth day lasted 300 million to 400 million years or so. On the Sixth Day around 300–350 million years B.C. God created the land animals. During this period of time the Dinosaurs became extinct about 70 Million years ago. Then during this “TIME PERIOD” (6TH DAY) God decided to create man 6000 or so years ago. Some might protest that men have been around much longer, but I offer this up, where is the data? Men are record keepers and we don’t have proof of men going back further. Now as per “MEN” being observed by scientists to have been around X Number of years, I never said "animal like men" weren’t around, I stated Human Beings were created 6000 years ago, when God placed His spirit in us and this is why we are immortal beings in that our souls can not die. We were at that point in time “Created in Gods Image”. The other fossils and bones mean nothing, because scientists have no way of testing for God imparting His spirit into mankind and creating “Human Beings” with powerful intellects.

On the seventh day God rested, which only means He ceased creating the Heavens, the Earth, Mankind and Animals. So when we see stars and galaxies created today, it was ordered forth 13.7 Billion years ago. So its not necessarily either or. We need to start looking at things with an open mind, be we an atheist or a Christian.

P.S. Just something to think about. Einstein’s theory of relativity is in the very first verse of the bible, relatively speaking…LOL.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning (TIME) God created the heaven(SPACE) and the earth(MATTER).
 
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Locoponydirtman

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I dont say anything. What is the point.
People dont believe truth. They believe what ever narrative supports their idiology, and comforts their insecurities. Confirmation bias is a real thing.
The Dunning Krueger effect is when someone has just enough information to feel confident in their knowledge. So they have no further desire to learn or study.
Dietrich Bonhoeffer, wrote that stupidity, is a moral problem not an intellectual one.

So this is what i know about the age of the earth. Many people have many ideas and views and most of the are adamant about their ideas. Im sure Dunning, Krueger, and Bonhoeffer are correct about those people.

The Bible has an out line of the creation, i believe what is written with out imposing what is not written.
 

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I am not paying attention to distractions. The Universe is 13.7 billion years old, the Earth is 4.5 billion years old. Mankind is roughly 6000 years old. I show how it all went down from God's perspective, after all, Gen. 1 is the telling of Creation from God's POV, not Moses, he wasn't there.

My semi blog to Quora and to many Atheist sites.

I as a 30 year Christian try to think outside the box of normality. Is the universe 6000 years old? Is the universe 13.7 billion years old? Do these two questions clash or is there a translation barrier !! This is how I think. I try to bring both poles of thought towards each other starting with the facts. We know the universe has to be over 6000 years old because we see light from stars that are millions of light years away, so we would have to be very naive to think the universe is only 6000 years old.

Onward to what Genesis says about creation, does it really say the universe or earth is 6000 years old? I don’t think it does, I think its a mistranslation of a primitive language that had only around 4000 words at the time Genesis was written, whereas the English language has 500,000 words. So many of the Hebrew words were used in multiple ways. For instance the original meaning of the Hebrew word YOWM (Day) means “to be hot” and there are at least 50 other meanings listed in strong’s concordance’s lexicon of Hebrew words. A year, a month, a period of time, chronicles, evening and morning (Beginning and end), age, perpetually, long, some time, whole, X required season, continually etc. etc., well you get the point.

YOWM or “To be hot”, what would this mean and why was it used since God is supposed to have given Moses the first five books of the Torah Himself. Well when the universe was spoken into existence by God, it took 400 million years for the first stars to form. So the first Day (to be hot) was the Evening (Darkness, 400 million years of darkness) and the Morning ( The stars started forming) and the first day was a “period of time” and in my opinion it lasted from 13.7 Billion BC until 4.5 Billion BC (9.2 Billion years) when the Sun & Earth were formed. So lets take a second and look at the Bible and the WMAP research and see if this matches.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void (not there yet, just commanded to come forth); and darkness was upon the face of the deep(No stars yet, thus DARKNESS). And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters (This is key also, sunbeams must be reflected, our atmosphere with moisture REFLECTS these beams, just outside our atmosphere it is much, much darker !! )

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light(Thus EVENING or 400 million years of Darkness, was followed by LIGHT or stars forming 400 million years later).

Now look below at the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) which launched in 2001 and won many awards, they mapped the whole universe out. Below as we see, you had Quantum Fluctuations which I contend is God, then you had Inflation, followed by Afterglow, followed by 400 MILLION YEARS of Darkness !! Just like the bible says in verse 2, and there was Darkness on the Face of the Deep !! Gods word is perfect, it is us who are confused. Dark ages mapped out by the WMAP, followed by what? The first stars forming at the 400 million year mark. Verse three says what? and God said “Let there be light” God is right again. We are looking at Creation from Gods POV, no man was there of course and with God he is not subject to time, he created time for us via this universe, but He is eternal and thus was never created. Remember the verse, a thousand years is like a day and a day like unto a thousand years unto God. In other words God lives in the past, present and future all at the same time. He is not from this universe, thus He has no need of being created, He is eternal.


So we had the Big Bang, followed by Inflation, followed by Cosmic Microwave background where after 375,000 years loose electrons cool enough to combine with protons. The universe becomes transparent to light. The microwave background begins to shine. Then the dark ages/clouds of dark hydrogen gas cool and coalesce.

The first stars appear….Gas clouds collapse, the fusion of stars begin, the first of which appears at about 400 million years after the big bang. So, when the bible says Darkness was on the face of the deep, God knew exactly what was happening in the very beginning !! The more we look for the answers, the more that science and the bible will converge, if both sides with differing viewpoints would only take their blinders off.

The second day (period of time) of course would be from the Earth & the Suns formation until the grasses and trees came forth on the Third day (period of time) then on the Fourth day it seems God set the Seasons or placed the moon in its perfect orbit where our seasons are not strange and chaotic, but orderly. I know the moon and earth is supposed to have collided. Anyway, that set the seasons, times, years etc. etc. Mind you, all of these ideas are rudimentary observations. A theory of how the things God says in His Holy word and science can both be factual. They are not meant to imply everything went down just so and in like manner, the dates of course are guesstimates, I wasn’t there. But what I do know is they were not 24 hour days, that is nonsensical to me tbh.

On the fifth day God created the sea animals/birds and what not, were the Dinos created here or with the land animals? The fifth day lasted 300 million to 400 million years or so. On the Sixth Day around 300–350 million years B.C. God created the land animals. During this period of time the Dinosaurs became extinct about 70 Million years ago. Then during this “TIME PERIOD” (6TH DAY) God decided to create man 6000 or so years ago. Some might protest that men have been around much longer, but I offer this up, where is the data? Men are record keepers and we don’t have proof of men going back further. Now as per “MEN” being observed by scientists to have been around X Number of years, I never said "animal like men" weren’t around, I stated Human Beings were created 6000 years ago, when God placed His spirit in us and this is why we are immortal beings in that our souls can not die. We were at that point in time “Created in Gods Image”. The other fossils and bones mean nothing, because scientists have no way of testing for God imparting His spirit into mankind and creating “Human Beings” with powerful intellects.

On the seventh day God rested, which only means He ceased creating the Heavens, the Earth, Mankind and Animals. So when we see stars and galaxies created today, it was ordered forth 13.7 Billion years ago. So its not necessarily either or. We need to start looking at things with an open mind, be we an atheist or a Christian.

P.S. Just something to think about. Einstein’s theory of relativity is in the very first verse of the bible, relatively speaking…LOL.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning (TIME) God created the heaven(SPACE) and the earth(MATTER).
Grade-school fantasy sci-fi bro. And falsified.

Futhermore....the (CORRECT!!!) LXX genealogies adds about 1800 yrs.

BTW....the so-called "speed of light" is hardly a "constant" and varies by the impedance of the aether. The "SOL" was much much faster even in Abrahams day. Yet another fallacious constraint that is rubbish. Same goes for "gravity", which is nothing more than non-point source dielectric acceleration, aka magnetism. And varies due to several factors.

Understand "counterspace" for starters. Without that you will understand NOTHING.
 

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Oh wow, who dug up this gem? I was enjoying Flat Earth Season 10 but this looks pretty good too.
Subscribed.
 

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Gas clouds collapse, the fusion of stars begin, the first of which appears at about 400 million years after the big bang.
Complete rubbish. All stellar and planetary phenomenon are created in a plasma Z-pinch. Without exception. Gravity (so-called) has absolutely nothing to do with galactic, solar system, stellar, or planetary formation whatsoever.

Slowly and gradually is a joke. Rapidly and catastrophically are how things happen.
 

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No human was around 4.6 Billion Years ago.
But The Creator gave a written outline of his work to man.
The reason they come to that conclusion is they start out thinking there’s no God

thier calculatimg how long it would have taken by accident and evolution springing from a big bang that just happened by chance

they don’t have a concept of God who speaks and what would take by accident and evolution billion years of work is done in a moment

a they start out not knowing he speaks and worlds rise he whispers and stars spin and hang into place he shouts and planets form and align

so they have to say “ without God how couldn’t this have happened “

a they are observing what God did with his word of ultimate power the word of creation itself and are in so much awe of his power and ability they thing it took billions of years

but the word of God formed it all and spins it all in place moves it and holds it all together and one day will lay it all bare

The command of God is something beyond scientific observation

“By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:3‬ ‭NIV‬‬
 

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Complete rubbish. All stellar and planetary phenomenon are created in a plasma Z-pinch. Without exception. Gravity (so-called) has absolutely nothing to do with galactic, solar system, stellar, or planetary formation whatsoever.

Slowly and gradually is a joke. Rapidly and catastrophically are how things happen.
I don't take you serious brother. As once was said in the bible via Paul, he understood their zeal, but they LACKED KNOWLEDGE. Anyone that cant understand how old the universe is I really do not take serious when talking about Creation. Now you may be the best brother in the world at leading men to salvation, everyone has a calling, you know nothing about the Creation however. It is what it is.
 

cv5

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I don't take you serious brother
The obsolete falsified outdated rubbish you cut-and-paste you don't even understand. Let alone what I have posted.

C'est la vie.