Senate passes same-sex marriage bill with bipartisan support

[ZNP]

"you are just too stupid to understand"

Great example of trying as hard as you can to twist what someone wrote.

So I'll quote it for you again because this post of yours really proves the point.

"You know when they keep telling you over and over that you are just too stupid to understand that it they have no response."

You told me and others at least three times that we were too stupid to understand how evolution would explain homosexual genes. We asked you repeatedly for an explanation and all we got were ad hominem attacks and insults. So yes, that is proof you have no response and simply make stuff up. Now you attempt to insinuate that I insulted you by taking this quote out of context. This is truly despicable.

 

[Gojira]

Why don't we have an "Evasive" and a "dodge and weave" emoji. You know when they keep telling you over and over that you are just too stupid to understand that it they have no response.

So far we have you misquoting your sources, saying 0.3% when the study said 3.1%, and also using misleading answers. 5x more black women have abortions than white women but instead you tell us where Planned Parenthood has their offices. And now you have been asked 3 times to explain to us how the theory of evolution (survival of the fittest) would explain a homosexual gene.

This is only a fraction of his intellectual dishonesty on this site LOL

 

[ZNP]

This is only a fraction of his intellectual dishonesty on this site LOL

25% of all his posts are on this one thread so you know this is a topic that is near and dear to his heart and yet he won't answer questions honestly or forthrightly and he uses ad hominem attacks and insults and now has resorted to trying to distort and intentionally misquote what people have posted.

 

[Scarecrow]

(because they have less to fear about being honest not because there are more of them.)

Right..... Lol or maybe peer pressure, Hollywood appeal, media appeal, music appeal, liberal arts appeal, sexual appetite appeal, being congratulated and cheered, being treated as special in society (gay pride month) and wanting a place to belong or fit in.



(according to the National Bullying Prevention Center the rate LGBT youth experience bullying varies widely from region to region. in the most conservative areas LGBT students who are out or outed on average experience 3 -4 physical assaults per per week while in school. On average they receive 45 verbal attacks per week while in school. on average they receive 7 death threats during their high school career. HO\ow many times did you get a death threat in high school?)

I had one death threat. Some jerks also. It's high school. Kids are jerks. Bullying isn't right but it doesn't help when society lets kids be mentally ill. If your a dude wearing a dress then your inviting ridicule. Some reducule is good though when it doesn't cross over into abuse. Boys need to know there are things that boys do not do. If my teen boy is trying to wear girl pants (he has tried) I told him no, those are girl pants and your a young man. So we threw them away.

and if he had not what would you have done?

 

[Gojira]

25% of all his posts are on this one thread so you know this is a topic that is near and dear to his heart and yet he won't answer questions honestly or forthrightly and he uses ad hominem attacks and insults and now has resorted to trying to distort and intentionally misquote what people have posted.

He also has warped reasoning. Homosexuality and race are not different because they both experienced marginalization. I mean, seriously?? This kind of thing is why I let him have the last word, because I'm just conversing with a wall.

 

[Scarecrow]

Not true. There is plenty of evidence that environment and nurture play a roll and perhaps even a major roll.

so show us all that evidence.

 

[Scarecrow]

None of your "fact check" address the point that was made. More black babies were aborted in NYC in 2017 than were born in NYC in 2017

and the claim being fact check was about Margaret Sanger

 

[ZNP]

so show us all that evidence.

Well I could start with my cousin who died from AIDS in the 80s. He never said he was gay from birth, he said he became gay because he went to an all boys boarding school in high school.

Then you could easily bring in many sex workers, people who were abused as kids, people from prison, they will all tell you the same thing.

All it takes is one person to disprove your "all the evidence" assertion.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

which you refuse to apply to everyone...special pleading

what health risks?

you mean the condition they were born with.



and denial of marriage rights that you are championing is discrimination

i wonder if she would agree

You do not choose infertility. You choose homosexuality.

I gave you the link. The health risks are extremely high. Spoon feed yourself please.

No condition. You are not born gay.

I'll discriminate all day to say gay marriage isn't legitimate. How does the Bible define marriage?

She would. We are friends. But she knows I take my faith seriously.

By the way, how does God view homosexuality? Do you see it as a sin? Are you gay? Where are you personally? This kind of response makes me question the fruit. Scripture says you will know them by their fruit. So how does God view LGBT beliefs?

 

[Roughsoul1991]

and if he had not what would you have done?

What do you mean had not? I'm the parent, he obeyed. But he has had the ultimatum before if he doesn't do right, he will have to find somewhere else to go.

As a father it is our job to raise boys to men. Men who will be men that our society so desperately needs.

 

[ZNP]

and the claim being fact check was about Margaret Sanger

OK, let's take a look at the post that you "fact checked".

"No, you're 100% right, more black babies were aborted than born in NYC in 2017 I believe it was. Your stats are correct. Black babies are five times more likely to be aborted than white. But that was founder of PP Margret Sangers ideal from the beginning. Who btw is Hillary Clintions mentor. smh"

She was responding to my post when she said "you're 100% right" and there was nothing in my post about Margret Sanger". So the claim was that the rate of black women having abortions is 5x higher than white women. She supported that claim with evidence from NYC. But you simply respond with three Fact Checks, no comment, nothing, and we have to figure it out?

OK, one of your fact checks agrees that she was a eugenist, they also agree that being racist was an expressed view of some eugenists. And then they provide this quote from her

"I think the greatest sin in the world is bringing children into the world -- that have disease from their parents, that have no chance in the world to be a human being practically. Delinquents, prisoners, all sorts of things just marked when they're born. That to me is the greatest sin -- that people can -- can commit."

Another one of your fact checks quotes her as saying “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population.” and tells us She started “The Negro Project” in 1939, with the aim of expanding birth control services for Black communities in the south, according to the New York University’s project documenting Sanger’s writings. (here)

But their interpretation is that this comment which was in a letter she wrote was taken out of context.

The third fact check quotes her saying Sanger says that a minister could debunk the notion, if it arose, that the clinics aimed to “exterminate the Negro population.” Explaining why they were hiring black ministers.

Now mind you, these are the fact checks debunking her as a racist. If you walk as a racist, talk like a racist and kill babies like a racist then I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you are a racist regardless of how many left wing college professors who are rabidly pro choice come out and say I am missing the nuance.

 

[kaylagrl]

Fact check

Fact check

Fact check

No little buddy , your talking point fact checks aren't going to work on this post. Margret Sanger wrote a book called "The Pivot of Civilization" I've read it. It's in her OWN words. So lefty talking points won't work on this subject. Not so long in the past, black women were sterilized against their will, thanks to Sanger. She was racist, she spoke at a KKK womens rally. Her ideals were the foundation of Planned Parenthood Federation and their highest award is still her namesake. She wrote too much, said to much, she was a racist eugenicist. As I said Clinton said she admired her. When questioned she did not walk it back.

 

[Dude653]

Well Jordan Peterson sure put an end to Sam's faulty argument.....

``I don't know why you would expect to be sure about what someone believes, how do you think that any one of you are capable of fully articulating what you believe, you certainly know it's completely ridiculous
you're not transparent to yourself by any stretch of the imagination......... you act out all sorts of things that you can't
articulate but how about a best-guess, let's go all cognitive neuroscience on this shall we, ninety-nine percent of your processing
is unconscious, you're not capable of articulating, if you were you'd be omniscient don't give me any
nonsense about that okay.

And Harris seems quite confused what is science and what is philosophy.

Harris: Well, I actually think that the frontier between science and philosophy actually doesn’t exist… Philosophy is the womb of the sciences. The moment something becomes experimentally tractable, then the sciences bud off from philosophy. And every science has philosophy built into it. So there is no partition in my mind. (Oxford Talk)

So back to square one... his moral landscape does not come from science.

That was complete word salad which is Jordan Peterson's signature move
90% of what he says is just fluff. He uses a lot of flowery cryptic language to make it sound like he's saying something profound when he's really when not. He's one of those people who can talk for hours and say absolutely nothing
He also contradicts himself because in his debates with both Sam Harris and Matt Dillahunty he said the Bible is just stories and metaphors

 

[Dude653]

Is it always someone else's fault?

Troll harder

 

[Gojira]

Well I could start with my cousin who died from AIDS in the 80s. He never said he was gay from birth, he said he became gay because he went to an all boys boarding school in high school.

Then you could easily bring in many sex workers, people who were abused as kids, people from prison, they will all tell you the same thing.

All it takes is one person to disprove your "all the evidence" assertion.

I remember once on the HBO show "Taxicab Confessions", a homosexual man was the passenger, and he admitted his orientation was because he had a crappy relationship with his father.

Homosexuality is behavior, not an immutable trait like race or sex.

 

[ZNP]

Troll harder

Hey it's not my fault the reason I don't troll harder is because of poverty and the reason for the poverty is systemic racism that goes all the way back to slavery and Jim Crow

 

[Dude653]

Hey it's not my fault the reason I don't troll harder is because of poverty and the reason for the poverty is systemic racism that goes all the way back to slavery and Jim Crow

The average black family has about 10 times less wealth on average than the average white family
Lot of this does go back to slavery and Jim Crow because after the slave owners lost their property which were the slaves, they were compensated for the loss of their property.
The freed slaves had to start over with nothing like literally the clothes on their backs.
I had another few hundred years of Jim Crow laws and racist hiring policies and this is a big part of the reason for the wealth gaps between the average white family and the average black family

 

[Dude653]

So I know where derailing the thread here because I don't know how we got on abortion but there's a reason you see more abortions in Black communities and it's a more nuanced problem than just.....

 

[ZNP]

The average black family has about 10 times less wealth on average than the average white family
Lot of this does go back to slavery and Jim Crow because after the slave owners lost their property which were the slaves, they were compensated for the loss of their property.
The freed slaves had to start over with nothing like literally the clothes on their backs.
I had another few hundred years of Jim Crow laws and racist hiring policies and this is a big part of the reason for the wealth gaps between the average white family and the average black family

Since half of my family is black I think I can comment on this. Not interested in blaming stuff from 100-200 years ago for my situation today.

 

[Gojira]

OK, let's take a look at the post that you "fact checked".

"No, you're 100% right, more black babies were aborted than born in NYC in 2017 I believe it was. Your stats are correct. Black babies are five times more likely to be aborted than white. But that was founder of PP Margret Sangers ideal from the beginning. Who btw is Hillary Clintions mentor. smh"

She was responding to my post when she said "you're 100% right" and there was nothing in my post about Margret Sanger". So the claim was that the rate of black women having abortions is 5x higher than white women. She supported that claim with evidence from NYC. But you simply respond with three Fact Checks, no comment, nothing, and we have to figure it out?

OK, one of your fact checks agrees that she was a eugenist, they also agree that being racist was an expressed view of some eugenists. And then they provide this quote from her

"I think the greatest sin in the world is bringing children into the world -- that have disease from their parents, that have no chance in the world to be a human being practically. Delinquents, prisoners, all sorts of things just marked when they're born. That to me is the greatest sin -- that people can -- can commit."

Another one of your fact checks quotes her as saying “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population.” and tells us She started “The Negro Project” in 1939, with the aim of expanding birth control services for Black communities in the south, according to the New York University’s project documenting Sanger’s writings. (here)

But their interpretation is that this comment which was in a letter she wrote was taken out of context.

The third fact check quotes her saying Sanger says that a minister could debunk the notion, if it arose, that the clinics aimed to “exterminate the Negro population.” Explaining why they were hiring black ministers.

Now mind you, these are the fact checks debunking her as a racist. If you walk as a racist, talk like a racist and kill babies like a racist then I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you are a racist regardless of how many left wing college professors who are rabidly pro choice come out and say I am missing the nuance.

Ah the Left and nuance. It's their favorite tool for dodging truth. That, and moving the goalposts.