Senate passes same-sex marriage bill with bipartisan support

[ZNP]

Well I don't really want to derail the thread because it's post wasn't about abortions but the reason you see more abortions in African-American communities is doing a poverty and the reason you see more poverty in African American communities is systemic racism that goes all the way back to slavery and Jim Crow

Is it always someone else's fault?

 

[ZNP]

Have you read the study? Definitely not. Gay gene has been debunked so many times. As to why gender is now fluent so they say.

Interesting though you would believe that. Just for a thought experiment. How would God judge LGBT sin if it was indeed inborn?

Isn't sin inborn ever since Adam?

Still great legal defense, suppose you have the "murder" gene. Don't sociopaths and psychopaths have a distinct genetic makeup?

Is stealing genetically linked?

 

[kaylagrl]

This is what the article says

“This much is true: In the United States, the abortion rate for black women is almost five times that for white women.”

“Black women are not alone in having disproportionately high unintended pregnancy and abortion rates. The abortion rate among Hispanic women, for example, although not as high as the rate among black women, is double the rate among whites”

So what is your point, that the article is saying the "rate"? Since there are more white women than black women their rate can be 1/5th that of blacks and yet the total number may be more.

Please tell me that is not your point because I do not want to use the word idiot in my response.

No, you're 100% right, more black babies were aborted than born in NYC in 2017 I believe it was. Your stats are correct. Black babies are five times more likely to be aborted than white. But that was founder of PP Margret Sangers ideal from the beginning. Who btw is Hillary Clintions mentor. smh

 

[Gojira]

Isn't sin inborn ever since Adam?

Still great legal defense, suppose you have the "murder" gene. Don't sociopaths and psychopaths have a distinct genetic makeup?

Is stealing genetically linked?

And therefore would not discriminating against such be bigotry?

 

[Roughsoul1991]

you have said that same sex marriage is wrong because they can't have children and you have said so many times but you have also denied that this should be applied to straight couples....special pleading

• according to the data set this Marr accessed, he office of National Statistics in 2019 there were 108421 divorces in England, almost exactly half the number of marriages. On the 108421 divorces 822 were between same sex couples. So of all the divorces that year 0.75% were same sex divorce. so you just demonstrated that England has an even lower rate of same sex Divorce than the United States and that your claim: "Homosexual divorce rates are extremely high" is just not true.

and it also says hat these risks stem form social inequities not their orientation.

I'll say again fertility is only one reason. Why? What happens to a society with already low birth rates if they diver further into sexual freedom?

According the sociology of human history. They deteriorate and fade out.

They say some of the risks are stigma and discrimination. But if you even look through the health risks for 1 minute, I know I wouldn't wish that on my neighbor.

Stigma- An association of disgrace or public disapproval with something, such as an action or condition.

Yeap, stigma is legitimate. I disapprove of sin. Love the sinner.

Discrimination refers to the treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit.

I work with a Lesbian and never one discriminated against her. Now if she walked into my church and wanted a job or to be a pastor then yes I will by definition discriminate based on the group she belongs to. Why? Because she is actively engaged in sin. It would be the same for anyone active in sexual immorality.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

because they have less to fear about being honest not because there are more of them.



according to the National Bullying Prevention Center the rate LGBT youth experience bullying varies widely from region to region. in the most conservative areas LGBT students who are out or outed on average experience 3 -4 physical assaults per per week while in school. On average they receive 45 verbal attacks per week while in school. on average they receive 7 death threats during their high school career. HO\ow many times did you get a death threat in high school?

(because they have less to fear about being honest not because there are more of them.)

Right..... Lol or maybe peer pressure, Hollywood appeal, media appeal, music appeal, liberal arts appeal, sexual appetite appeal, being congratulated and cheered, being treated as special in society (gay pride month) and wanting a place to belong or fit in.



(according to the National Bullying Prevention Center the rate LGBT youth experience bullying varies widely from region to region. in the most conservative areas LGBT students who are out or outed on average experience 3 -4 physical assaults per per week while in school. On average they receive 45 verbal attacks per week while in school. on average they receive 7 death threats during their high school career. HO\ow many times did you get a death threat in high school?)

I had one death threat. Some jerks also. It's high school. Kids are jerks. Bullying isn't right but it doesn't help when society lets kids be mentally ill. If your a dude wearing a dress then your inviting ridicule. Some reducule is good though when it doesn't cross over into abuse. Boys need to know there are things that boys do not do. If my teen boy is trying to wear girl pants (he has tried) I told him no, those are girl pants and your a young man. So we threw them away.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Isn't sin inborn ever since Adam?

Still great legal defense, suppose you have the "murder" gene. Don't sociopaths and psychopaths have a distinct genetic makeup?

Is stealing genetically linked?

Sin is but not as some suggest that they are hardwired to be gay. Or God made them gay. God made them as God intended but what happens in their youth, demonic, or environmental factors that contribute they must know that just like lust for a man and pornography there are thoughts and feelings we should not act on.

Well, they have searched for differences in the brains of murderers. They have found a resemblance but this same resemblance not everyone became a murderer. So I wouldn't count them as animals just acting on instinct. They still made a choice even a sociopath knows but may not feel.

I don't know about stealing. I'm just a layman who reads a lot.

 

[Gojira]

I'll say again fertility is only one reason. Why? What happens to a society with already low birth rates if they diver further into sexual freedom?

According the sociology of human history. They deteriorate and fade out.

They say some of the risks are stigma and discrimination. But if you even look through the health risks for 1 minute, I know I wouldn't wish that on my neighbor.

Stigma- An association of disgrace or public disapproval with something, such as an action or condition.

Yeap, stigma is legitimate. I disapprove of sin. Love the sinner.

Discrimination refers to the treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit.

I work with a Lesbian and never one discriminated against her. Now if she walked into my church and wanted a job or to be a pastor then yes I will by definition discriminate based on the group she belongs to. Why? Because she is actively engaged in sin. It would be the same for anyone active in sexual immorality.

This is what the secularist does not understand. Forcing us to celebrate with a sinner their sinfulness causes us to violate our faith. Yet, as long as we're permitted to pray, that means our religious freedom has not been violated, all according to the radical secularist. This shows how little they understand the constitution, individual liberty, tolerance, and how little respect they have for religious freedom, despite their claims to the contrary.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

This is what the secularist does not understand. Forcing us to celebrate with a sinner their sinfulness causes us to violate our faith. Yet, as long as we're permitted to pray, that means our religious freedom has not been violated, all according to the radical secularist. This shows how little they understand the constitution, individual liberty, tolerance, and how little respect they have for religious freedom, despite their claims to the contrary.

Yeap, as to why going way back to the OP this bill is a landmine for Christians who stigma sin and discriminate to protect their flock or religious organizations.

We have to remember this isn't ones race, sex, class, or age that we are speaking on. We are talking about mental illness and another sexual revolution like the 70s and 80s but now it has progressed.

 

[Scarecrow]

https://www.them.us/story/30-percent-gay-men-open-relationships-new-study

and what does the control group for this study show show about how many heterosexuals are in open relationships?

 

[ZNP]

All, and i do mean all of it All of the evidence says that orientation is an inborn and immutable trait, just like race or right/left handedness or eye color or blood type.

Not true. There is plenty of evidence that environment and nurture play a roll and perhaps even a major roll.

At this point even though we have mapped the human genome no one has come up with the "gay gene" whereas we have found the genes for many traits that truly are genetic.

Also in the last few years we have conducted a nationwide experiment on our kids and have demonstrated how incredibly effective education and grooming can be for kids at an impressionable age.

 

[Gojira]

Yeap, as to why going way back to the OP this bill is a landmine for Christians who stigma sin and discriminate to protect their flock or religious organizations.

We have to remember this isn't ones race, sex, class, or age that we are speaking on. We are talking about mental illness and another sexual revolution like the 70s and 80s but now it has progressed.

I believe this is in part because the Church has weakened and compromised. We need another great awakening and we need it now.

I will say this: If this develops into an era of persecution, it may be the thing that stimulates that next great awakening.

 

[Scarecrow]

Why don't we have an "Evasive" and a "dodge and weave" emoji. You know when they keep telling you over and over that you are just too stupid to understand that it they have no response.

So far we have you misquoting your sources, saying 0.3% when the study said 3.1%,

here is the quote from YOUR post: " the risk children would identify recognizably homosexual adults as the potential abuser, are from 0% to 3.1%." 0.3% is based on the actual numbers the study itself presents and as you can see the study didn't say 3.1% it said from 0% to 3.1%. which includes 0.3%. deal with it

and also using misleading answers. 5x more black women have abortions than white women but instead you tell us where Planned Parenthood has their offices.

[ i was responding to the claim "That's why abortion clinics are in the poorest section of every city, "
which as shown is incorrect.

And now you have been asked 3 times to explain to us how the theory of evolution (survival of the fittest) would explain a homosexual gene.

first no one said there was a homosexual gene. No one believes that a single gene could be responsible for such complex and nuanced behavior.
As anyone who would claim to be an expert on the subject should know there has been a tremendous amount of research showing homosexuality is tied to the genes that make women more fertile
F. Iemmola et al New evidence of genetic factors influencing sexual orientation in men: female fecundity increase in the maternal line
R. Collins et al Maternal inheritance and familial fecundity factors in male homosexuality
A Camperio-Ciani Evidence for maternally inherited factors favouring male homosexuality and promoting female fecundity
and dozens more studies.

 

[Gojira]

Not true. There is plenty of evidence that environment and nurture play a roll and perhaps even a major roll.

At this point even though we have mapped the human genome no one has come up with the "gay gene" whereas we have found the genes for many traits that truly are genetic.

Also in the last few years we have conducted a nationwide experiment on our kids and have demonstrated how incredibly effective education and grooming can be for kids at an impressionable age.

Amazing... to the Left, sexual orientation is immutable, but gender is fluid

 

[Scarecrow]

No, you're 100% right, more black babies were aborted than born in NYC in 2017 I believe it was. Your stats are correct. Black babies are five times more likely to be aborted than white. But that was founder of PP Margret Sangers ideal from the beginning. Who btw is Hillary Clintions mentor. smh

Fact check

Fact check

Fact check

 

[ZNP]

first no one said there was a homosexual gene. No one believes that a single gene could be responsible for such complex and nuanced behavior.
As anyone who would claim to be an expert on the subject should know there has been a tremendous amount of research showing homosexuality is tied to the genes that make women more fertile
F. Iemmola et al New evidence of genetic factors influencing sexual orientation in men: female fecundity increase in the maternal line
R. Collins et al Maternal inheritance and familial fecundity factors in male homosexuality
A Camperio-Ciani Evidence for maternally inherited factors favouring male homosexuality and promoting female fecundity
and dozens more studies.

You made the claim that all the evidence, you emphasized that it was all the evidence. That is simply not true. It is easy to prove that some people became homosexuals because of nurture and/or the environment and it had nothing to do with predisposition or orientation at birth.

 

[Scarecrow]

Also this is now the fourth post of yours where you have stooped to personal insults, continue on this path and you will be banned.

"you are just too stupid to understand"

 

[ZNP]

Fact check

Fact check

Fact check

None of your "fact check" address the point that was made. More black babies were aborted in NYC in 2017 than were born in NYC in 2017

 

[Gojira]

None of your "fact check" address the point that was made. More black babies were aborted in NYC in 2017 than were born in NYC in 2017

And, because this is a Leftist phenomenon, it's not even remotely racist. So get that nasty thought out of yer purdy little head ZNP!

 

[Scarecrow]

I'll say again fertility is only one reason. Why? What happens to a society with already low birth rates if they diver further into sexual freedom?

which you refuse to apply to everyone...special pleading

They say some of the risks are stigma and discrimination. But if you even look through the health risks for 1 minute, I know I wouldn't wish that on my neighbor.

what health risks?

Stigma- An association of disgrace or public disapproval with something, such as an action or condition.

you mean the condition they were born with.

Discrimination refers to the treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit.

and denial of marriage rights that you are championing is discrimination

I work with a Lesbian and never one discriminated against her.

i wonder if she would agree