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Hebrews 10:7 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
When Scripture says our words come from our heart, its no wonder God said let there be Light, And that Light shows us that God is Love
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
When Scripture says our words come from our heart, its no wonder God said let there be Light, And that Light shows us that God is Love
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“define intercession
the action of intervening on behalf of another.”
brother God looked through earth and there was no man worthy to intercede and this is what he decided
“For our transgressions are multiplied before thee, and our sins testify against us: for our transgressions are with us; and as for our iniquities, we know them; Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey:
and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor:
therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.
For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.
So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him. And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.”
Isaiah 59:12, 15-17, 19-20 KJV
So who is the intercessor ? Did God become a man and intercede for man because no man was worthy or not ?
The New Testament is a revelation of the same Old Testament God Jesus is God come to save us
it’s like your saying God is three but you are looking at it backwards
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
1 John 5:7 KJV
God has manifested himself three different ways in the heavenly father , the son , and the holt ghost they are not three seperate entities it is the one God whom manifested himself in the Old Testament as he did , in the gospel of the son , and in the New Testament through his spirit
think of it this way your saying the holt spirit is not Jesus they are two but look
“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
Galatians 4:6 KJV
Jesus spirit is the holy spirit to say Jesus spirit is a seperate person from Jesus is sort of ridiculous.
are you saying a persons spirit isn’t the person ?
But my point is this
“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”
Romans 8:9 KJV
“the Spirit of his Son”
“the Spirit of God”
“the Spirit of Christ, “
thats just one spirit not three God is one the spirit of Jesus the son is the spirit of God that dwells in believers or in other words the holy ghost
God the father Jesus the son and the Holy Spirit are the three ways God has made himself known To us
The father of creation In the ot , in the gospel in the son , then afterwards in his spirit
they aren’t three people it’s one manifesting himself three times in three ways specific to the plan of redemption Jesus is how God is putting his spirit in us
at he intercessor is God made flesh who became the high priest ( intercessor ) he literally is Gods right arm that’s why you see him appear at Gods right hand after he lived died and rose
God is one brother that’s not something we should avoid his spirit is the holy spirit to say Gods spirit is a different person is just not workable he is one and you can see him when you look at Jesus you want to know the father you meet Jesus , you want to receive the holt spirit of Christ Jesus the lord , you believe in Jesus
the action of intervening on behalf of another.”
brother God looked through earth and there was no man worthy to intercede and this is what he decided
“For our transgressions are multiplied before thee, and our sins testify against us: for our transgressions are with us; and as for our iniquities, we know them; Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey:
and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor:
therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.
For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.
So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him. And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.”
Isaiah 59:12, 15-17, 19-20 KJV
So who is the intercessor ? Did God become a man and intercede for man because no man was worthy or not ?
The New Testament is a revelation of the same Old Testament God Jesus is God come to save us
it’s like your saying God is three but you are looking at it backwards
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
1 John 5:7 KJV
God has manifested himself three different ways in the heavenly father , the son , and the holt ghost they are not three seperate entities it is the one God whom manifested himself in the Old Testament as he did , in the gospel of the son , and in the New Testament through his spirit
think of it this way your saying the holt spirit is not Jesus they are two but look
“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
Galatians 4:6 KJV
Jesus spirit is the holy spirit to say Jesus spirit is a seperate person from Jesus is sort of ridiculous.
are you saying a persons spirit isn’t the person ?
But my point is this
“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”
Romans 8:9 KJV
“the Spirit of his Son”
“the Spirit of God”
“the Spirit of Christ, “
thats just one spirit not three God is one the spirit of Jesus the son is the spirit of God that dwells in believers or in other words the holy ghost
God the father Jesus the son and the Holy Spirit are the three ways God has made himself known To us
The father of creation In the ot , in the gospel in the son , then afterwards in his spirit
they aren’t three people it’s one manifesting himself three times in three ways specific to the plan of redemption Jesus is how God is putting his spirit in us
at he intercessor is God made flesh who became the high priest ( intercessor ) he literally is Gods right arm that’s why you see him appear at Gods right hand after he lived died and rose
God is one brother that’s not something we should avoid his spirit is the holy spirit to say Gods spirit is a different person is just not workable he is one and you can see him when you look at Jesus you want to know the father you meet Jesus , you want to receive the holt spirit of Christ Jesus the lord , you believe in Jesus
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Isaiah 9:6
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I don't care what you think. I care about the truth, okay?
If you still think Jesus is God, that is your favor.
It doesn't diminish any of my faith in Jesus.
God made first Adam the flesh, also made the Spiritual Adam the Jesus.
Why can't you think for yourself who Jesus really is?
You can't convince me just by saying Jesus is God.
I don't care about the issue of Jesus not being God and not being able to atone,Jesus said that God can forgive SINS.
If you do not believe the word of Jesus, then even if God himself really came into the world in the flesh, he will not be free from the sin in the flesh.
So be it.
If you still think Jesus is God, that is your favor.
It doesn't diminish any of my faith in Jesus.
God made first Adam the flesh, also made the Spiritual Adam the Jesus.
Why can't you think for yourself who Jesus really is?
You can't convince me just by saying Jesus is God.
I don't care about the issue of Jesus not being God and not being able to atone,Jesus said that God can forgive SINS.
If you do not believe the word of Jesus, then even if God himself really came into the world in the flesh, he will not be free from the sin in the flesh.
So be it.
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Matthew
13:27 田主的仆人来告诉他说：‘主啊，你不是撒好种在田里吗？从哪里来的稗子呢？’
So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
13:28 主人说：‘这是仇敌作的。’仆人说：‘你要我们去薅出来吗？’
He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
13:29 主人说：‘不必，恐怕薅稗子，连麦子也拔出来。
But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
13:30 容这两样一齐长，等着收割。当收割的时候，我要对收割的人说：先将稗子薅出来，捆成捆，留着烧，惟有麦子要收在仓里。’”
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
13:27 田主的仆人来告诉他说：‘主啊，你不是撒好种在田里吗？从哪里来的稗子呢？’
So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
13:28 主人说：‘这是仇敌作的。’仆人说：‘你要我们去薅出来吗？’
He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
13:29 主人说：‘不必，恐怕薅稗子，连麦子也拔出来。
But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
13:30 容这两样一齐长，等着收割。当收割的时候，我要对收割的人说：先将稗子薅出来，捆成捆，留着烧，惟有麦子要收在仓里。’”
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
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God is good and all good comes from God, And, without God, there is no good. But mankind chose to separate itself from God. Before the fall, there was no suffering.
I don't profess to understand all of God's ways, but suffering is part of God's plan for redemption/reconciliation with Him. He could have snapped His fingers and saved the world. Instead, God sent His only Son to suffer in the most horrible of ways, the crucifixion, in order to bring mankind back to God.
God doesn't think like men, but suffering is part of God's plan for bringing back 'fallen mankind' to Him, for reconciling.
I don't profess to understand all of God's ways, but suffering is part of God's plan for redemption/reconciliation with Him. He could have snapped His fingers and saved the world. Instead, God sent His only Son to suffer in the most horrible of ways, the crucifixion, in order to bring mankind back to God.
God doesn't think like men, but suffering is part of God's plan for bringing back 'fallen mankind' to Him, for reconciling.
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because God gave earth to
Mankind to have dominion over bad things happen because man does bad things to each other
“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's:
But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
Psalm 115:16 KJV
“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”
Genesis 1:26
“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
Genesis 6:5-6, 11-13 KJV
that’s why there is all the evil in the world because of mankind rejecting Gods word like this why did abel get killed ?
“And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.”
Genesis 4:6-8
Cain is to blame , mankind
airs a misconception that God controls what we do and fill the world with he created the earth and gave it to us and then we corrupted it and filled it with this
“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
1 John 2:15-17 KJV
its because of mans wockedness and then being given dominion this means god isn’t going to force us to do good or evil instead he is telling us what will happen if we do good or evil like he did caiN
aid you do what’s right you’ll be accepted but if you do what’s wrong n will corrupt and rule over you , you have to overcome it by choosing the good “ but cain killed his little brother instead
God created the earth for mankind and gave us dominion and then told man what to do and they would be blessed and what not to do or they would be cursed and end in death
mankind shaped the world into what it is this is why it’s going to end in destruction and God made a new one reserved for his children
Even things like diseases and oeatelencr and war and death are curses in the earths resulting from mankind’s sin long ago we brought it all upon the world and Jesus came to save us from this
“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.
Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left. Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.
The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
Isaiah 24:5-6, 17, 20
bad things happen in this earth because mankind brought it upon ourselves by constantly rejecting Gods ways and word and guidance
Satan deceived them and they believed him and he led man to a curse in this earth when God gave man the earth ot was very good but we made it corrupt and violent and a curse this is why God has always called for mans repentance before it’s too late and this day comes
“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
2 Peter 3:7, 9-10, 13 KJV
God isn’t puppet master but he gave us a choice and we chose wrong now man can choose Christ and be redeemed for his new and eternal creation ahead after this earth is destroyed for sin and judgement upon ungodliness because that’s what caused all the pin and sorrow for mankind , sin caused death and cursing d eventually will bring the end of this earth by fire
Ana’s things happen because we have rebelled continuously against the only true God as he was constantly pleading with man to repent and do right and be redeemed
Mankind to have dominion over bad things happen because man does bad things to each other
“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's:
But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
Psalm 115:16 KJV
“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”
Genesis 1:26
“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
Genesis 6:5-6, 11-13 KJV
that’s why there is all the evil in the world because of mankind rejecting Gods word like this why did abel get killed ?
“And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.”
Genesis 4:6-8
Cain is to blame , mankind
airs a misconception that God controls what we do and fill the world with he created the earth and gave it to us and then we corrupted it and filled it with this
“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
1 John 2:15-17 KJV
its because of mans wockedness and then being given dominion this means god isn’t going to force us to do good or evil instead he is telling us what will happen if we do good or evil like he did caiN
aid you do what’s right you’ll be accepted but if you do what’s wrong n will corrupt and rule over you , you have to overcome it by choosing the good “ but cain killed his little brother instead
God created the earth for mankind and gave us dominion and then told man what to do and they would be blessed and what not to do or they would be cursed and end in death
mankind shaped the world into what it is this is why it’s going to end in destruction and God made a new one reserved for his children
Even things like diseases and oeatelencr and war and death are curses in the earths resulting from mankind’s sin long ago we brought it all upon the world and Jesus came to save us from this
“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.
Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left. Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.
The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
Isaiah 24:5-6, 17, 20
bad things happen in this earth because mankind brought it upon ourselves by constantly rejecting Gods ways and word and guidance
Satan deceived them and they believed him and he led man to a curse in this earth when God gave man the earth ot was very good but we made it corrupt and violent and a curse this is why God has always called for mans repentance before it’s too late and this day comes
“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
2 Peter 3:7, 9-10, 13 KJV
God isn’t puppet master but he gave us a choice and we chose wrong now man can choose Christ and be redeemed for his new and eternal creation ahead after this earth is destroyed for sin and judgement upon ungodliness because that’s what caused all the pin and sorrow for mankind , sin caused death and cursing d eventually will bring the end of this earth by fire
Ana’s things happen because we have rebelled continuously against the only true God as he was constantly pleading with man to repent and do right and be redeemed
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Just to give you a heads-up: I'm not a rabbi; just another run of the mill
Gentile armchair expert; so whatever I tell you should probably be taken
with a grain of salt; if you get my drift.
In the beginning God gave humanity full and complete control over the
Earth. (Gen 1:26-28 & Ps 8:3-9)
Although God intervenes in human affairs from time to time, He has mostly
stayed back and allowed humanity the liberty to manage itself; and you know
what? For better and/or for worse: I think most folks prefer it that way rather
than be dominated by a Big Brother dictator.
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Just to give you a heads-up: I'm not a rabbi; just another run of the mill
Gentile armchair expert; so whatever I tell you should probably be taken
with a grain of salt; if you get my drift.
In the beginning God gave humanity full and complete control over the
Earth. (Gen 1:26-28 & Ps 8:3-9)
Although God intervenes in human affairs from time to time, He has mostly
stayed back and allowed humanity the liberty to manage itself; and you know
what? For better and/or for worse: I think most folks prefer it that way rather
than be dominated by a Big Brother dictator.
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well im not gonna get into a big debate over it , but I know thats not true, I have studied the subject ,writters,translations,rome and every other rabbit hole the good Lord has seen fit to lead me, ill not be convinced otherwise and Ill still with my KJV. and I do apologize I dont mean to come off as rude, I just know where I stand, ty
because man is evil, God is good all the time. It is written that in the last days it would be such as the days of Noah before the flood.
Genesis 6:5
And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually
2 tim
3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Genesis 6:5
And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually
2 tim
3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.