If the Earth Would be Rotating Eastwardly at About 1,000 Miles Per Hour;

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RaceRunner

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What is the minimum speed someone would have to fly in a westerly direction (the opposite direction of east) to get to their westerly destination if the earth is rotating eastwardly at about 1,000 miles per hour? :eek: o_O ;)
 
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Any pilots here?
 

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What is the minimum speed someone would have to fly in a westerly direction (the opposite direction of east) to get to their westerly destination if the earth is rotating eastwardly at about 1,000 miles per hour? :eek:o_O;)
At least 1 mile per hour. The aircraft is already traveling the speed of the earth's rotation.
 

RaceRunner

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At least 1 mile per hour. The aircraft is already traveling the speed of the earth's rotation.
Then it would be like you are travelling 1,001 miles per hour since the earth beneath you is already moving 1,000 miles per hour in the opposite direction.
 

Melach

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if the earth really is moving 1000 miles per hour. you could never fly to the opposite direction.

just think with yuor senses and logic. if its 20meters per second winds outside, its reaaally windy, you can barely be outside. now imagine 1000 miles per hour, yet here we are, no problem. it would make earthquakes look like pleasant surprises
 

Melach

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At least 1 mile per hour. The aircraft is already traveling the speed of the earth's rotation.
how? the aircraft is in the air! does the air spin as well with 1000 miles speed? its probably part of the atmosphere
 

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Then it would be like you are travelling 1,001 miles per hour since the earth beneath you is already moving 1,000 miles per hour in the opposite direction.
It is kind of complicated. I did a google on that question and it was a bit complex. At 1 MPH plane speed with 1000 MPH eastward rotation of the earth the plane is actually moving east 1 MPH slower than the rotation therefore gaining forward westward momentum. Or something like that. Unfortunately, I'm not an aeronautical engineer to offer a more coherent explanation.
 

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how? the aircraft is in the air! does the air spin as well with 1000 miles speed? its probably part of the atmosphere
Yes, the air spins the same speed as the rotation at ground level but the air speed gradually changes the higher you go due to the longer area of the circumference of the earth. There are also jet streams to factor in the equation.
 

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if the earth really is moving 1000 miles per hour. you could never fly to the opposite direction.

just think with yuor senses and logic. if its 20meters per second winds outside, its reaaally windy, you can barely be outside. now imagine 1000 miles per hour, yet here we are, no problem. it would make earthquakes look like pleasant surprises
And yet it happens every day for thousands of flights.
 

Dino246

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I shouldn't have to explain this, but since certain persons don't understand basic physics, I will...

The atmosphere and water, and all fluids, and solids suspended in air or fluid such as balloons, planes, fish, etc., move along with the Earth's surface. Gravity holds them in sync with the Earth's rotation. Here's an illustration:

A car with driver and passenger is travelling at 100 kilometres per hour (~60 mph). Inside the car, the driver picks a penny from the console and lobs it over to the passenger. Does the penny suddenly travel "backwards" in the car at 100 Km/h? No. It continues to travel at the same speed as the car, and lands in the passenger's outstretched hand.

Similarly, a helicopter takes off vertically. The Earth doesn't suddenly "start" moving at 1000 mph beneath it, because the helicopter is moving at the same speed and direction as the Earth beneath. Unless there is a wind, the atmosphere is doing the same thing.

A plane takes off (in any direction) and gets to its cruising speed/altitude. Its airspeed relative to the ground is not 1000 mph plus or minus anything; it is simply the speed relative to the ground, which is almost entirely due to the propulsion of the airplane itself, not due to the ground moving beneath it.

People, this is rocket science, but it's the easy part. ;)
 
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I shouldn't have to explain this, but since certain persons don't understand basic physics, I will...

The atmosphere and water, and all fluids, and solids suspended in air or fluid such as balloons, planes, fish, etc., move along with the Earth's surface. Gravity holds them in sync with the Earth's rotation. Here's an illustration:

A car with driver and passenger is travelling at 100 kilometres per hour (~60 mph). Inside the car, the driver picks a penny from the console and lobs it over to the passenger. Does the penny suddenly travel "backwards" in the car at 100 Km/h? No. It continues to travel at the same speed as the car, and lands in the passenger's outstretched hand.

Similarly, a helicopter takes off vertically. The Earth doesn't suddenly "start" moving at 1000 mph beneath it, because the helicopter is moving at the same speed and direction as the Earth beneath. Unless there is a wind, the atmosphere is doing the same thing.

A plane takes off (in any direction) and gets to its cruising speed/altitude. Its airspeed relative to the ground is not 1000 mph plus or minus anything; it is simply the speed relative to the ground, which is almost entirely due to the propulsion of the airplane itself, not due to the ground moving beneath it.

People, this is rocket science, but it's the easy part. ;)
Came here to say something to this effect, but you nailed it. Now people are going to draft wild theories to try to discredit it. Enjoy the ride. 🚀
 

RaceRunner

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I shouldn't have to explain this, but since certain persons don't understand basic physics, I will...

The atmosphere and water, and all fluids, and solids suspended in air or fluid such as balloons, planes, fish, etc., move along with the Earth's surface. Gravity holds them in sync with the Earth's rotation. Here's an illustration:

A car with driver and passenger is travelling at 100 kilometres per hour (~60 mph). Inside the car, the driver picks a penny from the console and lobs it over to the passenger. Does the penny suddenly travel "backwards" in the car at 100 Km/h? No. It continues to travel at the same speed as the car, and lands in the passenger's outstretched hand.

Similarly, a helicopter takes off vertically. The Earth doesn't suddenly "start" moving at 1000 mph beneath it, because the helicopter is moving at the same speed and direction as the Earth beneath. Unless there is a wind, the atmosphere is doing the same thing.

A plane takes off (in any direction) and gets to its cruising speed/altitude. Its airspeed relative to the ground is not 1000 mph plus or minus anything; it is simply the speed relative to the ground, which is almost entirely due to the propulsion of the airplane itself, not due to the ground moving beneath it.

People, this is rocket science, but it's the easy part. ;)
I said the plane in this thread scenario is moving in the opposite direction of the way the earth is spinning at 1,000 miles per hour.
 

Dino246

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I said the plane in this thread scenario is moving in the opposite direction of the way the earth is spinning at 1,000 miles per hour.
It makes no difference.

Please, take a class in basic physics.
 

Magenta

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It makes no difference.

Please, take a class in basic physics.
You mean if I jump straight up in the air, I will not land a few feet, yards, or miles away from where I jumped? Oh noes!!! :eek:
 

RaceRunner

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It makes no difference.

Please, take a class in basic physics.
It is amazing you believe that the earth rotates east at 1,000 miles per hour, and yet you claim the effects of flying in the opposite direction would be exactly the same. o_O :poop:
 

RaceRunner

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Why do so many people believe it is possible for a pilot to fly west and to be able to land a plane on a ball spinning at 1,000 miles per hour when there is no proof something like this is ever possible? o_O:eek: