Is The Earth Flat Or Round?

[EliB]

It’s only problematic if you assume the purpose of Scripture is to provide explanations of real-world phenomena in 21st-century scientific jargon. It isn’t. It was terminology understandable to the ancients. Yes, a few of them understood engineering, but the Bible was not written for engineers, ancient or modern, but for common folk to grasp.

Scientifically complex concepts are explained in simple terms but that doesn’t make them “lies” any more than saying a circle’s circumference is about three times its diameter is telling a lie. Consider the purpose and original context of Scripture rather than imposing on it some purpose for which it simply was not written.

1; The realities of the earth and the cosmos do not have to be written in 21st century jargon. They just have to be accurate. And the bible defies common 21st century beliefs about the cosmos.

2; I highly doubt we are anywhere nearly as well instructed in most things those common folk knew. So, this idea that the common people being unable to understand is nonsense. (Again, we teach this stuff to 3 year Olds. That is a simple as human minds get)

3; okay, ull give you that you didnt outright say it, but it is clearly implied. I did not lie about what you said. It is clearly implied in your comment that the ancients were all clearly too stupid to understand what we teach to 3 year olds.

this idea is stupid and you don't like that I called you out on it.

if you don't like what you said, and what it implies then change it. I will not apologize or repent for reading the context of your comments and calling out bad reasoning when I see it.

Also; these scriptures (according to common believe to most people today) would not have been available to those common folk because people generally believe that only scribes and intelligent people would have even had ready and able access to it, this means the scriptures, at least the entirety of the Old Testement would have been, specifically, written for the Intelligencia. So, your basic premise of the common folk needing to grasp these ideas is nonsense (people believe that the common people back then couldn't read.)
Now, not only do you clearly imply that not only were the common people too stupid to understand what God made but that the intelligencia of the ancients were clearly too stupid to understand it even if God had Deigned to explain it to them.
Now, worse then that, taking your post to its logical conclusion, you are implying that God Himself isn't even intelligent enough to explain what the basic operations of the cosmos is to the brilliant.

That is the implications of your comment. If you aren't happy with me reading your comment and replying and following implication, then don't post it, or at least follow your own logic. Don't just post something that doesn't make sense.

 

[EliB]

1; The realities of the earth and the cosmos do not have to be written in 21st century jargon. They just have to be accurate. And the bible defies common 21st century beliefs about the cosmos.

2; I highly doubt we are anywhere nearly as well instructed in most things those common folk knew. So, this idea that the common people being unable to understand is nonsense. (Again, we teach this stuff to 3 year Olds. That is a simple as human minds get)

3; okay, ull give you that you didnt outright say it, but it is clearly implied. I did not lie about what you said. It is clearly implied in your comment that the ancients were all clearly too stupid to understand what we teach to 3 year olds.

this idea is stupid and you don't like that I called you out on it.

if you don't like what you said, and what it implies then change it. I will not apologize or repent for reading the context of your comments and calling out bad reasoning when I see it.

Also; these scriptures (according to common believe to most people today) would not have been available to those common folk because people generally believe that only scribes and intelligent people would have even had ready and able access to it, this means the scriptures, at least the entirety of the Old Testement would have been, specifically, written for the Intelligencia. So, your basic premise of the common folk needing to grasp these ideas is nonsense (people believe that the common people back then couldn't read.)
Now, not only do you clearly imply that not only were the common people too stupid to understand what God made but that the intelligencia of the ancients were clearly too stupid to understand it even if God had Deigned to explain it to them.
Now, worse then that, taking your post to its logical conclusion, you are implying that God Himself isn't even intelligent enough to explain what the basic operations of the cosmos is to the brilliant.

That is the implications of your comment. If you aren't happy with me reading your comment and replying and following implication, then don't post it, or at least follow your own logic. Don't just post something that doesn't make sense.

To be clear.
I am not trying to say this is what you believe. If ive seen anything from thisntheead in our comments I am certain you do not believe these things, but this is what your comment implied.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

'real physics' = the stuff that is based on reality - measurable, repeatable, testable, etc.

Based on your definition for 'Real physics' the Earth is an oblate sphere orbiting the sun.

It has already been done.

When are you going to realize that all of the surveying and map-making in the entire history of mankind was/were done 'flat'? (relative point-to-point measurements against a flat plane - with 'elevation' also being a relative measurement to that flat plane)

The "curvature" of the earth has never been measured.

Just think about that for a while...

In reality Earth's curvature is very accurately measured.
The equator lies at 0 degrees Latitude. Halfway between the north & south poles.
The arctic circle is 66.5° north. The antarctic circle at 66.5° South. Meridians of longitude intercept at the N & S Poles.

You can find anywhere in the world by using coordinates in degrees, minutes & seconds.
For example Jerusalem is at 31.7683° N, 35.2137° E. It works due to the Earth's curvature and is tested daily.

 

[cv5]

It has already been done.

When are you going to realize that all of the surveying and map-making in the entire history of mankind was/were done 'flat'? (relative point-to-point measurements against a flat plane - with 'elevation' also being a relative measurement to that flat plane)

The "curvature" of the earth has never been measured.

Just think about that for a while...

So you have never been introduced to spherical geometry? Well.....it has been used for centuries in navigation bro....
Because....well.....the earth is more or less spherical.

Spherical geometry - Wikipedia

 

[persistent]

i cannot make out the picture

can you post a link so i can look at it full screen = thank you

Same idea

 

[Webers.Home]

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• Gen 1:3 . . Then God said "Let there be light" and there was light.

The creation of light was a very, very intricate process. First God had to
create particulate matter, and along with those particles their specific
properties, including mass; if any. Then He had to invent the laws of nature
to govern how matter behaves in combination with and/or in the presence
of, other kinds of matter in order to generate electromagnetic radiation.

Light's properties are curious. It propagates as waves in a variety of lengths
and frequencies, and also as quantum bits called photons. And though light
has no detectable mass; it's influenced by gravity. Natural light is also quite
invisible to the naked eye. For example: you can see the Sun when you look
at it, and you can see the Moon when sunlight reflects from its surface. But
none of the Sun's light is visible to you in the void between them and that's
because light isn't matter; it's energy; and there is really a lot of it.

Space was at one time thought to contain absolutely nothing until radio
astronomers discovered something called cosmic microwave background. In
a nutshell: CMB fills the universe with light that apparently radiates from no
detectable source. The popular notion is that CMB is energy left over from
the Big Bang.

The same laws that make it possible for matter to generate electromagnetic
radiation also make other conditions possible too; e.g. fire, wind, water, ice,
soil, rain, life, centrifugal force, thermodynamics, fusion, dark energy,
gravity, atoms, organic molecules, magnetism, inertia, momentum, color,
radiation, refraction, reflection, high energy X-rays and gamma rays,
temperature, pressure, force, sound, friction, and electricity; et al. So the
creation of light was a pretty big deal; yet Genesis scarcely gives it passing
mention. That's no doubt because Genesis is mostly about origins rather
than mechanics.

2Cor 4:6 verifies that light wasn't introduced into the cosmos from outside in
order to dispel the darkness and brighten things up a bit; but rather, it
radiated out of the cosmos from inside— from itself —indicating that the
cosmos was created to be self-illuminating by means of the various
interactions of the matter that God made for it; including, but not limited to,
the Higgs Boson.

• Gen 1:4a . . And God saw the light, that it was good

God didn't see nature's light until He said let there be light; meaning of
course that natural light didn't exist until God made it.

God declared that light is good; but He didn't declare that darkness is good.
In point of fact, darkness typically represents bad things in the Bible; while
light typically represents good things. It's been a rule of thumb from the
very beginning.

NOTE: It's curious to me that most Bible students have no trouble readily
conceding that everything else in the first chapter of Genesis is natural, e.g.
the cosmos, the earth, the atmosphere, water, dry land, the Sun, the Moon,
the stars, aqua life, winged life, terra life, flora life, and human life.

But when it comes to natural light they choke; finding it impossible within
themselves to believe that Genesis just might be consistent in its description
of the creative process. I mean, if all those other things are natural, why
wouldn't the light in the cosmos be natural too? In point of fact, without
natural light, planet Earth would become a cold dead world right quick.
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[Dino246]

1; The realities of the earth and the cosmos do not have to be written in 21st century jargon. They just have to be accurate. And the bible defies common 21st century beliefs about the cosmos.

"Defies"? In what way? To which 21st century beliefs are you referring?

2; I highly doubt we are anywhere nearly as well instructed in most things those common folk knew. So, this idea that the common people being unable to understand is nonsense. (Again, we teach this stuff to 3 year Olds. That is a simple as human minds get)

You misunderstood what I wrote. Badly.

3; okay, ull give you that you didnt outright say it, but it is clearly implied. I did not lie about what you said. It is clearly implied in your comment that the ancients were all clearly too stupid to understand what we teach to 3 year olds.

No, I clearly implied that they did understand. You got it backwards, though I can't fathom how.

this idea is stupid and you don't like that I called you out on it.

Given that you are completely wrong, there is no need for me to respond further.

 

[EliB]

"Defies"? In what way? To which 21st century beliefs are you referring?


You misunderstood what I wrote. Badly.


No, I clearly implied that they did understand. You got it backwards, though I can't fathom how.


Given that you are completely wrong, there is no need for me to respond further.

Very well.
Note post 1442

What are your thoughts of my Sydney shadow experiment?

 

[Webers.Home]

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The surface speed of the Earth's rotation measured at the equator is
approximately 1,040 +/- mph

The surface speed becomes less and less the further one moves away from
the equator relative to the cosine of the latitude because circles of latitude
are smaller in circumference than the circle of the equator.

For instance: the circumference of the Earth at the equator is approximately
24,901.5 +/- miles. Multiplying that by the cosine of Washing DC's latitude
comes out to a 19,381 +/- mile circumference: which then divided by 24 hours =
807.5 +/- mph surface speed. Were not the atmosphere moving with us
at the the same velocity, nobody could live in the Capital.

I've always feel that had God stopped the Earth from spinning, somebody
somewhere would've noticed that particular day was unusually longer than
normal and would've recorded it in their scientific annals because Joshua
lived sometime during the Bronze Age when some pretty smart people were
out and about all over the globe.
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[Dino246]

Very well.
Note post 1442

Noted. Perhaps it was a simple misunderstanding, and I'm happy to leave it at that.

What are your thoughts of my Sydney shadow experiment?

It's the right concept. Of course, it's tricky to set up, which is why I would use the "Northern" hemisphere as an analogue as the same principles would hold. North as "up" is arbitrary. Exactly the same effect could be observed with the point of interest at about 33 degrees North rather than South.

 

[Gideon300]

Satan would not allow that to take place = "the whole world lies under the sway of the evil one".
This is his time/age and it will not be overturned until the LORD Returns = Daniel chapter 2

God's word, water and proven Physics destroys the illusion of a globe earth.

Don't worry, Christ came to set us free from sin and death where science kneels at the feet of the Lord Jesus Christ = the Creator.

Thus says the Lord:
“Heaven is My throne,
And earth is My footstool.
Where is the house that you will build Me?
And where is the place of My rest?
For all those things My hand has made,
And all those things exist,”
Says the Lord.
“But on this one will I look:
On him who is poor and of a contrite spirit,
And who trembles at My word.
Isaiah 66

You have it exactly back to front. If the FE people were to map the earth, they would discover how wrong they are. Satan would lose one of his favourite opportunities to mock FE people and induce them to slander God's people.

 

[Gideon300]

It has already been done.

When are you going to realize that all of the surveying and map-making in the entire history of mankind was/were done 'flat'? (relative point-to-point measurements against a flat plane - with 'elevation' also being a relative measurement to that flat plane)

The "curvature" of the earth has never been measured.

Just think about that for a while...

Just not true. The curvature of the earth was measured by Eratosthones of Cyrene, using observations and mathematics. That was around 240 years before Christ. Prior to him, Aristotle proposed a globe earth:

"Possibly the first to propose a spherical Earth based on actual physical evidence was Aristotle (384-322 B.C.), who listed several arguments for a spherical Earth: ships disappear hull first when they sail over the horizon, Earth casts a round shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse, and different constellations are visible at different latitudes."

The present war in Ukraine is yet another proof that the earth surface is curved. Both Russian and Ukrainian war planes use radar to direct their missile attacks. The curvature of the earth limits the effective distance of the radar. The effect has been known since microwave transmitters were developed in WW2. Of course, no evidence will persuade you that you are wrong. I only respond in order to help others who might fall for FE misinformation.

 

[SanderB]

I'm still surprised that this thread is still going on. The Earth is spherical, my friends. God even said it in the Bible.

 

[DavidTree]

You have it exactly back to front. If the FE people were to map the earth, they would discover how wrong they are. Satan would lose one of his favourite opportunities to mock FE people and induce them to slander God's people.

Take your time and examine this

https://www.worldslastchance.com/en...obe-earth-the-mother-of-all-conspiracies.html

 

[Webers.Home]

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The Earth has to be flat because if an airplane were to fly perfectly level
over the surface of a sphere without respect for gravity, it would take the
path of a tangent, and go off into space.
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[Runningman]

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The Earth has to be flat because if an airplane were to fly perfectly level
over the surface of a sphere without respect for gravity, it would take the
path of a tangent, and go off into space.
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Unless someone is controlling the airplane so it doesn’t go off into outer space. Turns out that’s what pilots do. Flights are always corrected for the gradual curvature of the earth.

 

[DavidTree]

I'm still surprised that this thread is still going on. The Earth is spherical, my friends. God even said it in the Bible.

Feel free to post the scripture where God says the earth is a spherical.

 

[GaryA]

I'm still surprised that this thread is still going on. The Earth is spherical, my friends. God even said it in the Bible.

Book/Chapter/Verse...???

 

[cv5]

Book/Chapter/Verse...???

The long day of Joshua, Hezekiah's sundial and the Crucifixion events are about 750 years apart. An interesting theory that correlates these incidences (among others) has to do with the necessity of the conservation angular momentum because of periodic magnetic interactions of the two shells of the earths core.

A very plausible scenario backed up by ancient observations and data.

Just letting you know buddy. And the Earth is a sphere by the way.....

 

[crossnote]

Flat or Round? The earth is flound!