Is The Earth Flat Or Round?

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Is The Earth Flat Or Round?


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Gideon300

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Gen 1:5b . . And there was evening and there was morning, a first Day.

* There are two primary kinds of Days in the first chapter of Genesis. One is
a creation day and the other is a natural day. It's very important to keep
those two kinds of days distinct and separate in our thinking because they
are as unalike in size as stones and gravel.


According to Gen 1:24-31, God created humans and all terra critters on the
sixth Day; which has to include dinosaurs because on no other Day did God
create beasts but the sixth.


However; the sciences of geology and paleontology, in combination with
radiometric dating, strongly suggest that dinosaurs preceded humans by
several million years. So then, in my estimation, the Days of creation should
be taken to represent eras rather than 24-hour events. That's not an
unreasonable estimation; for example:


"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were
created, in the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven." (Gen 2:4)


The Hebrew word for "day" in that verse is yowm (yome) which is the very
same word for each of the six Days of God's creation labors. Since yowm in
Gen 2:4 refers to a period of time obviously much longer than a 24-hour
natural day; it justifies suggesting that each of the six Days of creation
were longer than 24 hours apiece too. In other words: yowm is ambiguous
and not all that easy to interpret sometimes.


Anyway; this "day" thing has been a stone in the shoe for just about
everybody who takes Genesis seriously. It's typically assumed that the Days
of creation consisted of twenty-four hours apiece; so Bible students end up
stumped when trying to figure out how to cope with the 4.5 billion-year age
of the earth, and factor in the various eras, e.g. Triassic, Jurassic, Mesozoic,
Cenozoic, Cretaceous, etc, plus the ice ages and the mass extinction events.
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There is a perfectly acceptable alternate explanation. In the theory known as pre-Adamic, there is an unknown gap (hence gap theory) between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. The word "was" could be just as accurately translated "became". It is the same word used of Lot's wife, who "became" a pillar of salt. In this theory, Noah's flood was the second time that the earth was covered in water. In the first flood, nothing was spared.

The age of the earth is a vexed and unproveable number. For example, the moon is moving away from the earth at a rate of about 50mm a year. If the moon, as some scientists believe, was a part of the earth billions of years ago, it should be far enough away so as not to affect tides. There would still be some tidal action due to the sun's gravity, but not as much as at present.

The problem with science is that it makes a great many assumptions. God's word simply makes statements of fact. We may not understand God's word, but we should accept its authority rather than the vain speculations of godless men.

Some examples of such assumptions:
Dark matter/dark energy. Far from proven and still nothing has been detected. Yet it supposedly accounts for 85% of all matter/energy
Evolution. Don't get me started.........
"Scientific" dietary recommendations. Since fat was made public enemy no 1, obesity has become a huge problem (pun intended)
The surface of the moon was supposedly 10 ft deep in dust. The lunar landing disproved that
Atomic theory bore little resemblance to reality as now known.

When I was a child, my science teacher told me that science knew everything there was to know and would solve all the problems of the world. That was over 60 years ago. Less is known for sure now than then and the world is headed to destruction. Science is not God.
 

Gideon300

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I do not have a specific "answer" to the Opera House quandry - except that:

1) I don't think what we see in the picture(s) is necessarily accurate with regard to actual NSEW directions.

Now - if I personally stood on the Opera House deck with a trusted compass in my hand ... that might be worth something. ;)(y):cool::geek:

2) I don't totally trust the accuracy of Google with regard to 'true' reality.

3) [maybe later]
How about FE proponents surveying the earth and producing maps according to what is physically there. Of course they won't. That would destroy their illusions.
 

GaryA

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Also my apology to the OP as I didn't pay close attention as to who was pro and con on the posts. The OP may not have any skin in the game.
It seems the only interest the OP has is to create an as-large-as-possible 'Ball Earth' list in the poll... ;)
 

GaryA

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I see, absent physics are real physics & I should think for myself & believe something based on nothing. :cool:
'absent physics' = the stuff that is made up - based only on mathematics

'real physics' = the stuff that is based on reality - measurable, repeatable, testable, etc.

No - absent physics is not real physics.

Yes - you should think for yourself instead of just believing everything you are told.

You should believe something based on real physics and that is not in opposition to what the Bible says.

You are saying God is unable to perform miracles unless he has help from an alternative model of reality.:rolleyes:
Nope - not saying that.

You can't decide whether you want to allow physics to be used or not.
Physics "is" - God put it in place at the beginning.

God does not 'break' or 'defy' the physics He put in place; rather, He 'uses' it - "as it is" - He does not do anything outside of the actual physics that He put into place at the beginning.

Just because we do not understand 'how' He does some things - does not mean that He 'breaks' or 'defies' what He set up in the beginning.

When mankind discovers 'how' God does something (how He "set it up"; how it "works") - did we learn how He 'broke' His own ["laws" of] physics (that He put in place at the beginning) - or, did we [just] learn more about how He did something (that we previously did not understand) - actualized on the same physics?

What about the next thing we learned? What about the next after that? And, the next?

The 'physics' itself does not change.

You've appealed to an alternative physics without providing a basis for them.
I have "appealed" to the only physics there is - what God put in place at the beginning.

Since you are dodging both faith and logic, there is no basis for futher discussion on the subject.
I am not "dodging" anything - I accept both for what they are.
 
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It seems the only interest the OP has is to create an as-large-as-possible 'Ball Earth' list in the poll... ;)
Remember this:

"Woe to you when all men speak well of you,
For so did their fathers to the false prophets."

It was just the Lord and twelve disciples = who were hated for speaking the truth (still are).

Most of the world, including christians, have been indoctrinated by the Statue of Daniel which is the World System of Education.

Fear of man, respect of persons and a lack of Scriptural understanding rules the minds of the overwhelming majority.

Science is the 'safe and final say' even when it's completely wrong and/or opposes God's words.
 

GaryA

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It is no less simple, elegant, and majestic (more so) for the Lord to cause the sun to appear to stand still in reality.
Refusing to see the obvious, are you?

I don't see why you and others have so much trouble understanding that the event in Joshua's time was a miracle and that the normal laws of physics were temporarily suspended.
Why do you have so much trouble understanding that you are assuming that is the case?

We call some things a 'miracle' because we don't [fully] understand how God did/does it - that does not mean God 'changed' or 'suspended' the laws of physics.

To assume that He did is - well - just an assumption.

(A convenient way to avoid the truth.)

The extent to which they were suspended is irrelevant, for nothing is impossible with God, Who created those laws in the first place.
We know God can do anything. But, that is not the question. The question is - what would God do?

How well do you understand the character of God?

Or, to put it bluntly, your god is too small.
Oh, come on brother - don't resort to this type of thing... :eek: (n) :( :rolleyes: :cautious: :unsure:
 
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No, the Northward shadows at locations South of the Tropic of Capricorn.

Not an exact experiment, because to perform this experiment perfectly you would need to be fairly close to the sun watching the earth with a ludicrously powerful telescope, but a fairly accurate one that I have actually performed.

Sadly, I had to edit the photos pretty hard to make them fit. go actually DO some science.
(think I discovered the trick, the image has to be under a Megabyte to fit.)

this image is of a birthing ball that i have marked out with the proper latitudes using double sided tape and using a Lego to represent Sydney :). (or close enough erring in favor of the globe)
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The shadow.
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I feel so stupid I took me so long to figure out how to replicate this event.
family matters did tie me up though, hahaha.
God bless ya'll
 

GaryA

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How about FE proponents surveying the earth and producing maps according to what is physically there.
It has already been done.

When are you going to realize that all of the surveying and map-making in the entire history of mankind was/were done 'flat'? (relative point-to-point measurements against a flat plane - with 'elevation' also being a relative measurement to that flat plane)

The "curvature" of the earth has never been measured.

Just think about that for a while...
 
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How about FE proponents surveying the earth and producing maps according to what is physically there. Of course they won't. That would destroy their illusions.
Satan would not allow that to take place = "the whole world lies under the sway of the evil one".
This is his time/age and it will not be overturned until the LORD Returns = Daniel chapter 2

God's word, water and proven Physics destroys the illusion of a globe earth.

Don't worry, Christ came to set us free from sin and death where science kneels at the feet of the Lord Jesus Christ = the Creator.

Thus says the Lord:
“Heaven is My throne,
And earth is My footstool.
Where is the house that you will build Me?
And where is the place of My rest?
For all those things My hand has made,
And all those things exist,”
Says the Lord.
“But on this one will I look:
On him who is poor and of a contrite spirit,
And who trembles at My word.
Isaiah 66
 
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It has already been done.

When are you going to realize that all of the surveying and map-making in the entire history of mankind was/were done 'flat'? (relative point-to-point measurements against a flat plane - with 'elevation' also being a relative measurement to that flat plane)

The "curvature" of the earth has never been measured.

Just think about that for a while...
Hidden truth.