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Your bible study conclusion is part truth and part error.
Keep studying and praying.
Follow the instructions of our LORD = Duet 4:1-2 , Prov 30:5-6 , John ch17 , Acts, Revelation 22:18-19
CLUE = No one of "natural birth" is part of the Eternal Household of God = SEE John 1:10-13 and John 3:1-21 and Ephesians ch2
By "new life" meaning = they cannot create a living being from themselves as God in creating Adam = then you are CORRECT.
The fallen angels did not "create" = they procreated just as Adam and Eve procreated.
EXACTLY as God said in His word.
Now when men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they took as wives whomever they chose.
So the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days shall be 120 years.”
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and afterward as well—when the sons of God came into the daughters of men. And they bore them children who became the mighty men of old, men of renown.
Stay with the Truth and you'll be blessed.
Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6
There is no dilemma. Job 1:6 and 2:1 both use the same Hebrew phrase bene ha'elohim. This means "sons of God", not "angels". The Hebrew word for angels is ha'malakim. It's a different root with a different meaning.
In other words, you have still provided no evidence for your claim.
In your understanding, you remain in your dilemma.
You have a concept of understanding that is useful but is also flawed.
Follow the commandment of the LORD and you will increase in understanding.
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6
Arguing with the words of the LORD and the Holy Spirit will only leave you in your own understanding.
There is no dilemma. A dilemma is a necessary choice between two undesirable options. That is not the case here.
That's hilarious--and hypocritical-- coming from you. I'm not interested in your arrogant misuse of the word of God.
Now, instead of making pseudo-spiritual implications that I am lacking in understanding, how about you step up and provide the evidence for your claim, or admit that you don't have any. I have defended my claims with Scripture. Now it's your turn.
The evidence has been provided = in His Word which i posted.
You do not like the evidence and you are currently arguing (arrogance) against His Word = not my words but His Word.
When you get to heaven, HE will show you at that time.
Or you can choose to reject human understanding and cling to His words = believing every one.
Your point is a good one that was puzzling when I used to believe in the theory of angels reproducing children with women.
I had a pastor who taught his perspective which always made me slow way down each time that I finished Revelation and started over again. There were presumptions that had to be made. We know that sometimes angels appear as men, but were they genetically identical to men, so that they could reproduce? If so, then they would have to be created in the image of God, just as Adam was. However, we find distinctions in the Word.
The "evidence" you provided does not support your claim.
Yawn. I know what the Word says... and your claim is not consistent with it.
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I've associated with lots of folks in the past 58 years who've undergone the
birth process spoken of by those two passage; and none of them were
transformed into supernatural beings when it happened. Their bodies were
unchanged and still just as human as when they departed their mother's
womb yet according to John 1:12, Rom 8:14, Rom 8:19, Phil 2:15, 1John
3:1, and 1John 3:2, they're all sons of God.
Now, if so that folks have to undergo that birth process to become sons of
God, then what does that say about Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?
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I've associated with lots of folks in the past 58 years who've undergone the
birth process spoken of by those two passage; and none of them were
transformed into supernatural beings when it happened. Their bodies were
unchanged and still just as human as when they departed their mother's
womb yet according to John 1:12, Rom 8:14, Rom 8:19, Phil 2:15, 1John
3:1, and 1John 3:2, they're all sons of God.
Now, if so that folks have to undergo that birth process to become sons of
God, then what does that say about Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?
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Now we can move forward in Christ and in His love for each other.
Please provide the evidence from scripture that directly refutes:
a.) Christ's own words = Luke 20:30-38
b.) Holy Spirit's own words = Genesis ch6 , Job chapters 1 & 2 and ch38
c.) Holy Spirits own words = John 1:10-13 , John 3:1-21 , Romans 8:18-25 , 1 John 3:1-3
d.) Holy Spirits own words = Jude
Please provide direct evidence from scripture that would show definitive proof that the Gen ch6 "sons of God" were mere humans.
All theories are rejected as they come from flawed human intellect.
NOTE: In Luke 20:30-38 the LORD Jesus Christ exactly confirmed that only thru the Resurrection do humans ascend unto the actual fully realized "sons of God" status.
ONLY thru Holy Spirit New Birth can a human be included in the Holy Spirit given term = "sons of God"
Thank You for your kind response Brother.
Please review Post 232 and please see that there is the NEW Birth of our spirit even while our physical body remains under the curse of death.
Thank You
Mine as well = a true Gift from my Heavenly Father after 4 years of prayer/waiting.
Love? I see very little in you that I would describe as being consistent with Christian love. Instead I see arrogance, stubbornness, self-righteousness, and denigration (and even implied condemnation) of others on this board. I'm not convinced that you know what Christ's love is, that you might display it. However, that is not the topic of our discussion.
FIRST: I have no obligation to cater to your demands, especially when you refuse to respond appropriately to my requests.
SECOND: I have no obligation to provide evidence for anything that I have not claimed.
THIRD: I have no need to refute what Scripture ACTUALLY says.
YOU claimed, in post #213, "God clearly said that sons of God, which HE said are angels".
I have asked repeatedly for evidence of your claim, and you have not provided it. You have dodged, waffled, insulted, decried, and generally been stubborn and profoundly self-righteous.
Not a single one of those passages states that the sons of God are angels. NOT A SINGLE ONE.
Luke 20 has already been addressed, as have Job chapters 1 and 2.
Likewise, Job 38:7 is bene 'elohim. The correct translation is "sons of God", not "angels".
John 1 says nothing to support your assertion.
John 3 doesn't address this topic at all.
Romans 8 is about humans, not angelic beings.
Likewise for 1 John 3.
Jude doesn't link the "angels" of verse 6 with Genesis 6. While that is a plausible conclusion, the text does not state it, let alone "clearly".
So, again, you have NOT defended your claim. The truth is that Scripture does not have any passage (or combination of passages) that CLEARLY state that sons of God are angels.
Your claim is refuted.
No, as I didn't make that claim.
So your "theory" is rejected. Next time, don't be so dogmatic. It WILL bite you in the behind.
Irrelevant to our discussion.
Well, i gave you the opportunity and all you proved is your lack of understanding and reliance on self assertiveness.
How about you review post No.231 and tell me what the birth process
spoken of by John 1:10-13 and John 3:3-21 says about Abraham, Isaac, and
Jacob? You see; according to John 3:3-7, the Spirit birth is mandatory for entry
into the kingdom of God; no exceptions.
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Again = No one is part of the Household of God unless they have been Born-Again by the Spirit of God.
The NEW Birth process is exactly as stated in John 1:10-13 and John 3:1-21 and John 6:45 and 1 Peter 1:22-23
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob received the 'circumcision of the heart' which is the OT phrase of being 'Born Again'.
Deut 10:16 , Jer 4:4 , Deut 30:6
When you’re ready to discuss the actual content of Scripture, let me know. Until then, I will assume you just want to throw insults.