How many People Think the Jews Could Be Wrong?

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cv5

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I don't see any evidence that the modern geopolitical state that calls itself Israel would fulfil any prophesy.
You have much to learn bro......
 
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Do an internet search using the keywords I provided. You will find what you are looking for.

Yes, there may be an element of speculation.
I suspect there is much speculation, but it is hard to tell without having the concise argument from scripture in plain sight.

Worse than speculation, sometimes some interpretations necessarily contradict scripture. That is the big thing I am looking to verify.

But there is little doubt about the RESULTS.

As for me......I am quite convinced 2520 years is bona fide.
Instead of websearching someone else's argument, I will probably just breakdown your post 48 later when I have time.
 

cv5

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I suspect there is much speculation, but it is hard to tell without having the concise argument from scripture in plain sight.
Take the cleansing ritual for lepers of Leviticus 14. There is ZERO "concise argument from scripture in plain sight".

Nevertheless, no ILLUSTRATION is more insightful, intentionally relevant, clear-cut and concise as it pertains to the phenomenon of Christian salvation and the Christian walk thereafter.

As I said.....you have much to learn. So much of the Bible is modeled per middle-eastern thought patterns. Not Greek ossified linear thinking.
 

cv5

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-445 + 69*7 = -445 + 483 = 38

Where are you getting the April 6th from?
God always uses 360 day prophetical years bro.....
 
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Take the cleansing ritual for lepers of Leviticus 14. There is ZERO "concise argument from scripture in plain sight".
What are you talking about?

Nevertheless, no ILLUSTRATION is more insightful, intentionally relevant, clear-cut and concise as it pertains to the phenomenon of Christian salvation and the Christian walk thereafter.
I still don't know what you are talking about.

As I said.....you have much to learn. So much of the Bible is modeled per middle-eastern thought patterns. Not Greek ossified linear thinking.
The NT, which brings the correct contexts to the OT, was written in Greek for a reason. You can no more discard Greek parsing and thinking than you can discard the NT itself.

I think the only thing you are turning your nose up to at this point is that concept that we should be able to test claims against scripture (for logical consistency and coherency) rather than to just take someone's word on it.

I'm asking for traceability between your claims and what scripture actually says. What I'm asking for should not be difficult to satisfy if it is truly compatible with scripture.

I suspect that when I breakdown your post 48 there are likely going to be mistakes, inconsistencies, or absolute speculation present in your argument. Maybe my hunch is wrong, but it would save a lot of time if you could just provide the breakdown yourself.
 

cv5

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What are you talking about?
I still don't know what you are talking about.
Find out bro. The Leviticus 14 cleansing ritual should be standard teaching for Christians. Same goes for the Mo'edim, the 7 Appointed Times, the feasts of Israel.


Jesus is our Passover, the Lamb of God after all. Resurrected on the day of the Feast of Firstfruits. And then there is Pentecost......
 
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Find out bro. The Leviticus 14 cleansing ritual should be standard teaching for Christians. Same goes for the Mo'edim, the 7 Appointed Times, the feasts of Israel.


Jesus is our Passover, the Lamb of God after all. Resurrected on the day of the Feast of Firstfruits. And then there is Pentecost......
What does Lev 14 have to do with being able to provide an argument that is traceable to scripture?
 

cv5

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What does Lev 14 have to do with being able to provide an argument that is traceable to scripture?
Sometimes bro.....you just have to gather your own manna.

I sure am glad that I did.....:unsure:
 

cv5

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I think it does not matter. God had the temple destroyed and the people scattered so that it would be lost forever. Because Jesus is the temple, and in him is salvation. Not in geography and lineages and rituals.
Well....a third temple IS required to fulfill "end-time" (better to call it beginning time really) prophecy. So there is that......
 

VCO

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I'm just a rookie at OT prophesy. Looking at KJV, the entire "sevens" week or year concept isn't apparent until looking at the Hebrew.



I'm not familiar with Josephus aside from the fact that he was a first century scholar of some kind that is referenced for the 70 AD seige of Jerusalem. That's outside of scripture, but we can look at it for interest. E.g. even though it may not be referenced directly in scripture, a historical acceptance of a 70 AD destruction of the temple seems unobjectionable.

What I'm looking for is some kind of Biblical evidence that there would be a rebuilt earthly temple after 70 AD. What purpose would it serve? Why would there be a temple in Christ and an earthly temple?

I see many people try to make the argument that the contemporary geopolitical state that calls itself Israel is somehow a fulfilment of a prophesy and would lead to a rebuilt temple but every time I ask for the scripture to demonstrate that I find exegetic flaws in their approach. I find many of those flawed exegetics ultimately had been tainted by Talmudic Judaism and their interpretations of prophesy, contrary to Christian scripture.



I would like someone to explain exactly what would necessitate a rebuilding of temple (e.g. is it only 2 Thes 2, or is there more to this?), and to explain what would disallow Eph 2:19-22 from fulfilling that temple prophecy?

I don't understand what you mean by the temple vs temple mount distinction.

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HE is talking about the Spiritual Temple, not the Earthly Temple. One does not supersede the other. Let me show you.

Ephesians 2:16-22 (HCSB) Between 60-61 A.D.
16 ⌊He did this so⌋ that He might reconcile both to God in one body through the cross and put the hostility to death by it.
17 When ⌊the Messiah⌋ came, He proclaimed the good news of peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near.
18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
19 So then you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with the saints, and members of God’s household,
20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone.
21 The whole building, being put together by Him, grows into a holy sanctuary in the Lord.
22 You also are being built together for God’s dwelling in the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:13 (HCSB) Between 53-55 A.D.
13 For we were all baptized {even the thief on the Cross} by one Spirit into one body
{their is the Spiritual Body or Temple of Christ}, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

What are the Requirements For the Feast of Tabernacles?
It includes 2 trips to the EARTHLY TEMPLE for Mortal Men and Women.

Zechariah 14:9 (HCSB)
9 On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.

Zechariah 14:16-19 (HCSB)
16 Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Festival of Booths {Also called Feast of Tabernacles}.
17 Should any of the families of the earth not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, rain will not fall on them.
18 And if the people of Egypt will not go up and enter, then rain will not fall on them; this will be the plague the LORD inflicts on the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Booths.
19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Booths.

Isaiah 46:11 (NJB)
11 I call a bird of prey from the east, my man predestined, from a distant land.
What I have said, I shall do, what I have planned, I shall perform.

You have to have a physical building called a TEMPLE for mortal man to fulfill that the requirements of the Festival of Booths in.
For us in the sky, CHRIST IS THE BODY or TEMPLE. Is is clear now ? ? ?
 
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If you are not a rookie, all the much more to learn from folks such as yourself.



Your comment here makes no sense. I stated "Christian scripture" to distinguish it from Talmudic scripture which approaches the OT with entirely different (incompatible) exegetics.



Breakdown your post 48 more clearly so that I can properly assess your argument.
The Talmud came out of Babylon when the Jews were being judged there by God = Jeremiah.

The error of the Talmud is equivalent to Roman Catholocism = unregenerate man dictates the interpretation of Scripture