How many People Think the Jews Could Be Wrong?

[Yahshua]

Except that any temple built now will not be the temple of God.

Agreed.

Speaking to the Samaritan woman, Messiah said:

John 4:21-24
21“ Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.

22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.

23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.

24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”


There has been a steady progression of the truth of the Living God throughout mankind's time here, as He would first use the tangible (physical) to express truths, gradually moving to the intangible (spiritual) as humanity matured in Him.

So after the announcement of the Messiah as "the temple" followed by the 70ad destruction of Jerusalem, there will no longer be a physical temple constructed where the Spirit of the Living God will dwell in.

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Biblical Factoid: It is only when The Spirit entered into a physical place that it became His dwelling, which was after the people followed His instructions to consecrate it.

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No structure is the temple of the Living God until the Living God dwells in it. People can't simply build a structure and make it so.

...With that said, Revelation does speak about His heavenly temple descending from heaven to earth. I believe this is the millennial temple we read about in Ezekiel, which isn't actually a temple (with its dimensions) so much as it is an entire city where all of His people will live. "There will be no temple there because the Almighty and the Lamb are the temple" (Rev 21:22).


In the meantime, the believers are living stones that make up that temple as Peter says in 1 Peter 2:5 . So the lawless one sitting in the temple declaring himself god is nonother than many believers falling away from the truth as was prophesied by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2. It's why both are prophesied to happen together in the passage.

 

[Jocund]

The Jews have been WRONG about everything else of importance. why not that??

If by "the Jews" you mean Talmudic Jews, or Talmudism in general, I agree. It's hard to be right without Christ.

 

[montana123]

The disciples asked Jesus if He was going to restore the kingdom back to them at that time and He said the Father will do it in His own time but be concerned with preaching the Gospel.

God said He is going to bring the whole house of Jacob back to their land and leave none of them in the nations anymore and they will know the LORD their God from that time forward and He will never hide His face from them again which means Israel as a nation will be in the truth and never stray again.

Israel is blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in which means when salvation is not available to them anymore and so all Israel shall be saved.

There will be a 3rd temple built and the Jews will go back to animal sacrifices.

The antichrist will establish peace in the Middle East and it will pave the way for all Hebrews to go back to Israel for the Gentile nations will see to it and the New Age Christ wants them all back on their land but God means it for good towards the Jews.

Israel will split Jerusalem with the Palestinians and the Jews will have their 3rd temple and go back to animal sacrifices.

The New Age Christ will work in the world for three and one half years and will push the agenda of the new age movement and then step in to the Jews temple and claim to be God by evolving through nature to be spiritual and godlike and will try to deceive the Jews that He is their God.

When the world takes the mark of the beast then salvation is no longer available to them and God will send Israel 2 witnesses to turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.

 

[Jocund]

The disciples asked Jesus if He was going to restore the kingdom back to them at that time and He said the Father will do it in His own time but be concerned with preaching the Gospel.

That's not quite what was said.

"When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power." - Acts 1:6-7 KJV

God said He is going to bring the whole house of Jacob back to their land and leave none of them in the nations anymore

Do you have a passage for this?

 

[cv5]

Yes. There are several passages which speak of a third temple (without necessarily calling it that). Paul was writing 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4 around 51-52 AD and here is what he wrote: 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

We know that the 2nd temple was destroyed in 70 AD, but what was prophesied above did not happen between 50 and 70 AD. So Paul was speaking about a future teimple, just as Jesus spoke about a future temple in which the Abomination of Desolation would stand in the Holy Place.

No one can claim that the third temple will NOT be built where the previous temple was (and that was built were Solomon's temple was). Conjectures on this are dangerous. The thing that Christians must understand is that there must be third temple in order to fulfil this and other prophecies.

The undeniable fact is......the precise location of the true Solomonic Temple is within the City of David. Presently Israeli territory.

 

[cv5]

Do you have a passage for this?

"A passage"? There are HUNDREDS of passages for this......

 

[Jocund]

"A passage"? There are HUNDREDS of passages for this......

The context of montana's comment was a modern control of land. Are there any passages chronologically after Joshua 21:43-45 that promise another instance of controlling the land after the initial promise was fulfilled?

"And the Lord gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. And the Lord gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the Lord delivered all their enemies into their hand. There failed not ought of any good thing which the Lord had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass." - Joshua 21:43-45 KJV

 

[cv5]

The context of montana's comment was a modern control of land. Are there any passages chronologically after Joshua 21:43-45 that promise another instance of controlling the land after the initial promise was fulfilled?

"And the Lord gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. And the Lord gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the Lord delivered all their enemies into their hand. There failed not ought of any good thing which the Lord had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass." - Joshua 21:43-45 KJV

Of course. I was speaking to perpetual landownership yet future. But there is every reason to believe that the 606 BC "captivity of the nation" is now over.....since May 14, 1946. Which just happens to be more or less exactly 2520 years per Ezek 4 and Leviticus 26 ((430-70) * 7).

There are vast chunks of the Bible dealing with Israel's future redemption/return/posession. To insinuate that you (or I) don't know or these passages or that they don't exist is frankly.......bizarre.

 

[Jocund]

Of course. I was speaking to perpetual landownership yet future. But there is every reason to believe that the 606 BC "captivity of the nation" is now over.....since May 14, 1946. Which just happens to be more or less exactly 2520 years per Ezek 4 and Leviticus 26 ((430-70) * 7).

Numerology is a Babylonian thing. Maybe there is merit to it, but it isn't a Biblical concept in origin. Better to check what scripture states clearly.

There are vast chunks of the Bible dealing with Israel's future redemption/return/posession. To insinuate that you (or I) don't know or these passages or that they don't exist is frankly.......bizarre.

I think there is value in pinpointing that passages that people try to ascribe to land possession / claims. Many of these interpretations of claims aren't Biblical. You would be surprised how many of these nonscriptural beliefs get passed off falsely as Biblical promise.

Which passages would you say apply post-Josh 21:43-45?

 

[pottersclay]

“the Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:8-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

standing in Jerusalem jesus declares

“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;

and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭9:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the messiah was sent to them

“But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.

( but the messiah was cut off )

But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.

(and so desolation was determined and the kingdom was taken from them and offered to all )

When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes?

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:37-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s really written plainly what happened

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:34-35‬ ‭

and when he comes he said he’s going to utterly destroy them

When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

“And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Your so right Jesus is Gods temple and we are his temple now he doesn’t meet us upon a mercy seat made of gold through Moses and levites he meets us in our heart through the gospel of Jesus Christ and by him we worship in the true temple by the spirit

“What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

They didn’t have this they had a poor and impersonal pattern of it . there is no use for a man made temple or sacrifices of animals are ten tablets engraved in stone reminding us what we better not do or die

we have the gospel now it’s the reality and not the temporary earthly pattern now we can just follow the lord and his word in the gospel and live by his spirit and promise which we receive


“Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The temple is not necassary anymore and isn’t part of Gods kingdom

“And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:22‬ ‭

we are in Christ now not cast out of his presence and kept away by fire but he came to us and made the way

I really cant believe your post here. Is this what you really believe?

 

[soberxp]

In fact, there already has holy temple of God in that land, but neither Jews nor Christians recognized it.

 

[soberxp]

The funny thing is that the Jews wanted to tear it down and build it up themselves, and the Christians didn't think it was necessary to build it because Jesus Christ is the God's temple.

 

[VCO]

Relying heavily upon Josephus's as accurate is not exactly recommended.

First off he was considered a traitor and by extension, a liar by the Jews

Secondly,
his works have not been accurately transcribed over the years. Where you likely are using the popular American version there are actually 3 or 4 different versions of his works...all saying something different.

Thirdly,
The third Temple is extremely politically charged. You are talking about the entire Muslim community rising up in opposition to the creation of any Temple on that mount. Constantine's mother was only able to construct what exists there today because most soldiers were dead.

Look at the riots in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher over the moving of a folding chair....they will be considered nothing but a loud prayer by comparison with the actions surrounding the actual building of the Jewish Temple.

However....it's going to eventually come to a head someday.

The Dome of the Rock was constructed on top of the terrace created by Herod some 300 years earlier. The Jews tunneled throughout this terrace. The Dome of the Rock is actually a complex of buildings just like the Temple of Herod's day...some above and below ground. They actually used the cedar beams and stone that King David and Solomon had made. 4,000 year old wood is brittle.
The whole area is geologically active....meaning that small earthquakes continue to shake the ancient structures. Several places in the retaining wall have collapsed.

On top of this the Muslims do not perform ANY maintenance in Jerusalem....not even picking up litter...trash is strewn about everywhere. When one of the buildings collapsed the Muslims were useless in reconstruction....but we did learn a lot during the reconstruction.

Today there is a huge stash of riot gear waiting for the coming riot for the IDF to use. I'm not so sure that the Palestinians are so well equipped...they don't have much of a government. It's been destroyed from within by graft and the skimming of public servant's pay. It will be worse than the police in New Orleans during a flood.

The IDF can take the Temple Mount any day they want to totalling maybe 15 minutes at most...but keeping it? Literally the whole Christian vs Muslim world will instantly be at war.

I think Josephus is extremely accurate, he was raised in and became a member of one of the ascetic Jewish sects that flourished in Judaea around the time of Christ. They were KNOWN to be EXTREMELY TRUTHFUL, and understood that every Lie was a SIN. Later in life he became he became a CHRISTIAN. THAT is the REAL Rub between JEWS and Josephus. I am sorry you bought into the Jewish Lies about Josephus. So I will have to totally disagree with you.


QUOTE:
The writings of Josephus are considered a primary source for understanding the world in which Jesus lived, died, and rose again because they come from the period in which Christ walked the earth. As such, they include historical information concurrent with the testimony of the New Testament. :END QUOTE.

QUOTE:
In summary, I am not sure exactly what you have heard, but it is fair to
say that the existence of Josephus and his writings in the first century
AD are not in doubt, but there is some debate about whether certain of his
writings may have been changed somewhat by others after his death.

John Oakes, PhD
:END QUOTE.

QUOTE:
Josephus was born in Jerusalem in A.D. 37/38 and became a historian writing principally about the Jewish people up until his death ca. 100. Four of his works are extant: 1) The Jewish War; 2) The Jewish Antiquities; 3) Vita (life) and 4) Against Apion. These works provide us with knowledge of the New Testament era which we otherwise would not possess. In short, Josephus has contributed to our understanding of the social, political, historical (incl. chronological data) and religious backgrounds of the New Testament.
Greg Herrick

Greg lives in Calgary Alberta, Canada with his wife and 4 kids. He has a passion to teach and disciple others, and holds a Th.M. and Ph.D. from Dallas Theological Seminary. Greg is currently serving as Project Director for the knowingGod.org. A disciplemaking website to help the church.
:END QUOTE.

Most people are familiar with WORDsearch 10, the Bible Software that I use regularly.
It includes The Complete Works of Flavius Josephus:
Without a SINGLE WARNING such as you posted.

 

[JohnDB]

I think Josephus is extremely accurate, he was raised in and became a member of one of the ascetic Jewish sects that flourished in Judaea around the time of Christ. They were KNOWN to be EXTREMELY TRUTHFUL, and understood that every Lie was a SIN. Later in life he became he became a CHRISTIAN. THAT is the REAL Rub between JEWS and Josephus. I am sorry you bought into the Jewish Lies about Josephus. So I will have to totally disagree with you.


QUOTE:
The writings of Josephus are considered a primary source for understanding the world in which Jesus lived, died, and rose again because they come from the period in which Christ walked the earth. As such, they include historical information concurrent with the testimony of the New Testament. :END QUOTE.

QUOTE:
In summary, I am not sure exactly what you have heard, but it is fair to
say that the existence of Josephus and his writings in the first century
AD are not in doubt, but there is some debate about whether certain of his
writings may have been changed somewhat by others after his death.

John Oakes, PhD
:END QUOTE.

QUOTE:
Josephus was born in Jerusalem in A.D. 37/38 and became a historian writing principally about the Jewish people up until his death ca. 100. Four of his works are extant: 1) The Jewish War; 2) The Jewish Antiquities; 3) Vita (life) and 4) Against Apion. These works provide us with knowledge of the New Testament era which we otherwise would not possess. In short, Josephus has contributed to our understanding of the social, political, historical (incl. chronological data) and religious backgrounds of the New Testament.
Greg Herrick

Greg lives in Calgary Alberta, Canada with his wife and 4 kids. He has a passion to teach and disciple others, and holds a Th.M. and Ph.D. from Dallas Theological Seminary. Greg is currently serving as Project Director for the knowingGod.org. A disciplemaking website to help the church.
:END QUOTE.

Most people are familiar with WORDsearch 10, the Bible Software that I use regularly.
It includes The Complete Works of Flavius Josephus:
View attachment 245245 Without a SINGLE WARNING such as you posted.

Like I said....you are likely using the American popular version of his works....one of FOUR. There are three others.

Blanket acceptance of a single old work is not a good thing when doing research...especially when it comes time for religious studies. This work of Josephus was and is subject to mistranslations, insertions and deletions. All because people wanted to shape others opinions into their particular opinion. The whole war between the Samaritans and the Jews in the New Testament is over deliberately changed Torah scrolls that the Jews deliberately changed during transcription.
If people were willing to change the Words of God with impunity then the words of a long dead historian is even easier.

I'm sure the guy did the best he could with the resources he had...doesn't mean that it's correct.

 

[cv5]

Numerology is a Babylonian thing. Maybe there is merit to it, but it isn't a Biblical concept in origin. Better to check what scripture states clearly.



I think there is value in pinpointing that passages that people try to ascribe to land possession / claims. Many of these interpretations of claims aren't Biblical. You would be surprised how many of these nonscriptural beliefs get passed off falsely as Biblical promise.

Which passages would you say apply post-Josh 21:43-45?

"Better to check what scripture states clearly"

Well....that is certainly not my particular problem bro.

Concatenating prophecies is hardly "Babylonian". The prophecies themselves are numerical/mathematical in origin. Guess you did not know that either.

Another example Daniel 9, which Jesus fulfilled (69 weeks * 7 * 360 = 173,880 days) to the very day. Not only that, Israel was supposed to know and understand God's prophetic timetable. Wow.
Luk 19:42 saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes."


So....what does this (see below) have to do with retaking Jerusalem June 7th 1967?

2Ki 25:1
And it came to pass in the ninth year of his reign, in the tenth month, in the tenth day of the month, that Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came, he, and all his host, against Jerusalem, and pitched against it; and they built forts against it round about.

Jer 39:1
In the ninth year of Zedekiah king of Judah, in the tenth month, came Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon and all his army against Jerusalem, and they besieged it.

Jer 52:4
And it came to pass in the ninth year of his reign, in the tenth month, in the tenth day of the month, that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon came, he and all his army, against Jerusalem, and pitched against it, and built forts against it round about.

Eze 24:1
Again in the ninth year, in the tenth month, in the tenth day of the month, the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

70 years precisely

Hag 2:18
Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation of the LORD'S temple was laid, consider it.

 

[DavidTree]

You forgot something:

Isaiah 46:11 (HCSB)
11 . . . Yes, I have spoken; so I will also bring it about. I have planned it; I will also do it.


2 Thessalonians 2:3-12 (NKJV)
3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. {No errors in the Bible in original manuscripts.}
5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things?
6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time.
7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.
8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Dear Friend,

YESHUA HaMoshiach is the TEMPLE of God along with ALL who belong to HIM.

Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, 5you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture,
“Behold, I lay in Zion
A chief cornerstone, elect, precious,
And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.”
7Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient,
“The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone,”
8and
“A stone of stumbling
And a rock of offense.”
They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed.

9But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.


do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.



IMPORTANT = When people receive the Mark of the Beast they will all be connected to satan in a way similiar that the Holy Spirit is in us who are Saved.
Thus man will be "One voice" speaking and blaspheming God in the temple of God = which is man.

Today is a Good Day to wake UP to His Righteousness that HE bestowed up Abraham.

PEACE be upon the Israel of God

 

[Wansvic]

“the Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:8-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

standing in Jerusalem jesus declares

“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;

and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭9:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the messiah was sent to them

“But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.

( but the messiah was cut off )

But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.

(and so desolation was determined and the kingdom was taken from them and offered to all )

When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes?

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:37-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s really written plainly what happened

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:34-35‬ ‭

and when he comes he said he’s going to utterly destroy them

When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

“And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Your so right Jesus is Gods temple and we are his temple now he doesn’t meet us upon a mercy seat made of gold through Moses and levites he meets us in our heart through the gospel of Jesus Christ and by him we worship in the true temple by the spirit

“What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

They didn’t have this they had a poor and impersonal pattern of it . there is no use for a man made temple or sacrifices of animals are ten tablets engraved in stone reminding us what we better not do or die

we have the gospel now it’s the reality and not the temporary earthly pattern now we can just follow the lord and his word in the gospel and live by his spirit and promise which we receive


“Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The temple is not necassary anymore and isn’t part of Gods kingdom

“And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:22‬ ‭

we are in Christ now not cast out of his presence and kept away by fire but he came to us and made the way

The Revelation scripture below references an angel being told to measure the temple.

"And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months." Rev 1:11-12

 

[DavidTree]

i read Brother Pilgrimshope Post #19 and cannot find/see what the emphasis of your comment is.......

Can you please elaborate your emphasis by which you said: "I really cant believe your post here. Is this what you really believe?"

Thank you

 

[cv5]

"Better to check what scripture states clearly"

Well....that is certainly not my particular problem bro.

Concatenating prophecies is hardly "Babylonian". The prophecies themselves are numerical/mathematical in origin. Guess you did not know that either.

Another example Daniel 9, which Jesus fulfilled (69 weeks * 7 * 360 = 173,880 days) to the very day. Not only that, Israel was supposed to know and understand God's prophetic timetable. Wow.
Luk 19:42 saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes."


So....what does this (see below) have to do with retaking Jerusalem June 7th 1967?

2Ki 25:1
And it came to pass in the ninth year of his reign, in the tenth month, in the tenth day of the month, that Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came, he, and all his host, against Jerusalem, and pitched against it; and they built forts against it round about.

Jer 39:1
In the ninth year of Zedekiah king of Judah, in the tenth month, came Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon and all his army against Jerusalem, and they besieged it.

Jer 52:4
And it came to pass in the ninth year of his reign, in the tenth month, in the tenth day of the month, that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon came, he and all his army, against Jerusalem, and pitched against it, and built forts against it round about.

Eze 24:1
Again in the ninth year, in the tenth month, in the tenth day of the month, the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

70 years precisely

Hag 2:18
Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation of the LORD'S temple was laid, consider it.

Hag 2:10
In the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, in the second year of Darius, came the word of the LORD by Haggai the prophet, saying,

Hag 2:18
Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation of the LORD'S temple was laid, consider it.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The Revelation scripture below references an angel being told to measure the temple.

"And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months." Rev 1:11-12

yeah brother consider the Old Testament and new are reflected upon in revelation

just like on earth things have progressed so you have this which is where your looking of course this is speaking of the temple in heaven

“And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened: and the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭15:5-6‬ ‭

Which of course that’s there right ? Totally agreeable but what I’m saying is this we have to let the story progress to the outcome one creation ends this current one we know ends and there’s another ahead

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:

for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Yet the earth is passed away never to be remembered again you have the new testsment revealed and a look into the kingdom

“And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:21-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

see brother the temple made by men was a pattern of what God was going to do in the New Testament all the ot is a pattern an earthly pattern of what’s in heaven

“Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8:1-2, 4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


When they made the tabernacle it was a pattern of Jesus in whom God would dwell d meet us in our heart through his spirit

if you think brother about the temple services what is needed in the New Testament ?

do we need to send Moses into the inner room to hear gods word ? No we’ve heard and believe the gospel which is gods word

do we need the sacrifices and altars so we can constantly shed animal blood for atonement ? No Jesus shed his own blood already for atonement

do we need to set the shewbread before the lord daily ? Or keep the candles burning before the veil in the inner room or refill the lamps of oil ?

if we think of the temples finction it’s lack of necessaty is known clearly Jesus accomplished everything they used to do in the temple the sacrifice , the mediation , the atonement , the advocation for the people and intercession fornthier sins

that’s all just an earthly pattern when the revelation comes we are the temple of God who dwells in our center and most holy place in our hearts which is what leads and guides our life

if they had the holy spirit living in tbier heart and had known the gospel they wouldn’t have needed a temple either they would have become The temple formGods Holy Spirit

to simplify the man made temple is part of the old creation that’s doomed to utter destruction and in the kingdom of God there will be no temple the temple is Christ

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There’s an old earthly pattern of what a gods doing and then there’s the revelation of what he’s done and doing

The earthly patterns are not going to last the revelations will like this revelation of the temple of God in Christ

“What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we don’t and won’t need a man made building unite to meet God he lives inside our heart where he is designed to live

every thy ing but e temple served to be for them is fulfilled in what Jesus is for us