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Nice Article. Thoughts? https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/what-happens-to-those-who-never-hear-gospel/

"What Happens to Those Who Never Hear the Gospel?

The man on the island. Perhaps you’ve encountered him in a friend’s argument against Christianity. Maybe you’ve even voiced the objection yourself.
How could a good and loving God condemn to hell someone who’s never heard of him?
When it comes to this emotionally vexing issue, there are two dominant positions among professing Christians: inclusivism and exclusivism. While both views maintain that Jesus is the only way to God, only one insists on the necessity of conscious faith in him.
Allure of Inclusivism
Inclusivism is the belief that salvation is only through Jesus Christ, but that there may be persons who are saved without knowing it. They are redeemed by the person and work of a Christ they do not consciously embrace. Simply put, Jesus may save some who never hear of him.
Inclusivists often cite Romans 2:1–16, a passage taken to imply that salvation is possible apart from God’s special revelation. The content of general revelation—both the created order without (Rom. 1:19–20) and the moral law within (Rom. 2:14–15)—provides sufficient knowledge for salvation. As Millard Erickson explains, “The rise of more inclusive views of salvation, even among evangelicals, is based on a belief in the efficacy of general revelation for a salvific relationship to God” (Christian Theology, 123).
Additionally, many inclusivists appeal to the precedent of Old Testament saints who were saved without knowing the name of Jesus. Erickson writes:
What if someone were to throw himself . . . upon the mercy of God, not knowing on what basis that mercy was provided? Would not such a person in a sense be in the same situation as the Old Testament believers? The doctrine of Christ and his atoning work had not been fully revealed to these people. Yet they knew there was provision for the forgiveness of their sins, and that they could not be accepted on the merits of any works of their own. They had the form of the gospel without its full content. And they were saved. (138)
But doesn’t this parallel trivialize Christ’s saving work? Not at all, Erickson insists, for Jesus is still the source of every saving benefit:
The basis of acceptance would be the work of Jesus Christ, even though the person involved is not conscious that this is how provision has been made for his salvation. . . . Salvation has always been appropriated by faith. . . . Nothing has been changed in that respect. (138)
What matters to God, the inclusivist says, is human faith responding to the “light” he has provided at a given time or place. It’s unwarranted, then, for anyone to claim to know the fate of the unevangelized. One pastor put it this way: “I believe the most Christian stance is to remain agnostic on this question. The fact is that God, alongside the most solemn warnings about our responsibility to respond to the gospel, has not revealed how he will deal with those who have never heard it.”1
Many inclusivists appeal to God’s character in defense of their view. Because “God is love,” the argument goes, he’d never condemn someone who didn’t even have a chance to be saved (1 John 4:8, 16). “I agree that inclusivism is not a central topic of discussion in the Bible and the evidence for it is less than one would like,” Clark Pinnock admits. “But the vision of God’s love there is so strong that the existing evidence seems sufficient to me.”
Evidence of Exclusivism
In contrast to inclusivism, exclusivism is the view that redemption is possible through only faith in the gospel.2 This has been the predominant Christian position throughout church history and remains so among Bible-believing evangelicals today.3 Several texts are commonly cited in its defense. Here are five.
1. Romans 1
First, though inclusivists sometimes employ Romans 1:18–23 to highlight the importance of general revelation, on closer reading the text actually supports the exclusivist view. Paul’s argument is that God’s revelation in nature is sufficient only to condemn, not to save. Though the man on the island “knows God” (v. 21), he “suppresses the truth” (v. 18) perceptible in nature and is therefore “without excuse” (v. 20). Humans aren’t guilty because they haven’t heard the gospel; they’re guilty because they haven’t honored their Creator. In other words, not because of the absence of something (faith), but because of the presence of something (rebellion) ...
2. Romans 10
Second, the necessity of gospel faith for salvation is on display in Romans 10:
For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? . . . So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ. (Rom. 10:13–15, 17)
The chain of logic in Paul’s mind is straightforward:
  1. The only way to be saved is to call on Christ’s name.
  2. The only way to call on Christ’s name is to believe the gospel.
  3. The only way to believe the gospel is to hear the gospel.
  4. The only way to hear the gospel is to be told the gospel.
The reality of another means of salvation besides faith in “the word of Christ” is difficult to square with this passage.
3. John 14
Third, we must do justice to Jesus’s declaration, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6; cf. 10:7, 9).
Though inclusivists sometimes object that this statement says nothing explicit about faith, the idea is surely implied. The whole aim of John’s Gospel, after all, is to convince readers to believe and be saved (John 20:30–31), as the preceding context makes plain (John 3:36; 5:23–24; 6:35; 7:38; 8:19, 24, 42; 11:25; 12:46). The apostle addresses belief no less than 97 times throughout the book. In light of the entire context, then, “through me” means “through faith in me.”
4. Acts 4
Fourth, the apostle Peter declares: “And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).
Note he doesn’t merely say that there’s no other savior under heaven—something with which inclusivists would agree—but specifically that there’s no other name. Apparently, knowing this savior’s name—his precise identity—is necessary.
5. Acts 10
Finally, there’s a particularly revealing story in Acts 10. God hears the prayers of a devout Gentile named Cornelius and instructs him to send for “a man who is called Peter” (v. 5). Arriving the next day at Peter’s house, Cornelius’s men announce: “Cornelius, a centurion, an upright and God-fearing man, who is well spoken of by the whole Jewish nation, was directed by a holy angel to send for you to come to his house and to hear what you have to say” (v. 22).
Peter then journeys with the men to Cornelius’s house, where the centurion addresses his apostolic guest: “Now we are all here in the presence of God to hear all that you have been commanded by the Lord” (v. 33). What’s interesting is that Cornelius wasn’t expecting any random message but specifically—as an angel had told him—a “message by which you will be saved, you and all your household” (Acts 11:14)...
 

maxwel

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While discussing the gospel, an atheist friend said, "What about the innocent man in the jungle, who's never heard of Christ?"

I said, "There is no innocent man in the jungle... there is no innocent man anywhere."

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Mission21

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Interesting topic.
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I remember reading the book..years ago.
'Eternity in Their Hearts'
- Don Richardson
---
He was involved in mission work..
- in New Guinea, Indonesia.
- 1960's.
---
The book has stories, experience & views..
- related to general & special revelations.
---
The title of the book is from..
Ecclesiastes 3:11
- "..also He has put 'eternity in their hearts'.."
- NKJV
 

DJT_47

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The bible tells us we must be saved as well as how to be saved. There are no caveats or exceptions. If there were, then his word would be meaningless and untrustworthy.
 
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The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands. Psalm 19:1
Agreed. To be clear, I hold the exclusivist view that Explicit Faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is an absolutely necessary means of Salvation for all. If some Non-Christian is sincerely seeking God, like Cornelius was, God will enlighten him about Christ, either through an Angel or a Missionary, as He did for Cornelius, sending the Angel and then St. Peter, or by a dream or vision of Jesus, as we hear even today that He does in some Muslim countries where most missionaries cannot go.

Early Church Father St. Augustine and Medieval Theologian St. Thomas Aquinas also taught this, and gave the same Biblical example of Cornelius seeking God and how God in His Mercy sent St. Peter to Cornelius, brought him to Christ and did not allow him to perish. Later European Missionaries to Asia, including Francis Xavier who preached in both India and Japan, and won millions to Christ, also believed it and it was part of their Missionary Motivation that enabled/inspired them to leave Christian Europe and travel to mission lands hoping to win souls for Christ.

Sadly, in the last 50-60 years, many western missions have decreased, as Western countries face their own challenges. We have to be careful with Inclusivist ideas also, which may lead some Christians to conclude missions are not anymore. Personally, I don't agree with that inclusivist idea of implicit faith etc, but believe in explicit faith in Christ being necessary, though I understand why some have considered/proposed it.

So I go with the 2nd view mentioned above, not the first. But I don't agree with total depravity etc. Cornelius was not totally depraved. He was sincerely seeking God as a Non-Christian. As God said those who seek Him will find Him, He brought Him to Christ and saved Him. I believe a similar thing will happen with all who sincerely seek God.

God Bless.
 
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Nice Article. Thoughts? https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/what-happens-to-those-who-never-hear-gospel/

"What Happens to Those Who Never Hear the Gospel?

The man on the island. Perhaps you’ve encountered him in a friend’s argument against Christianity. Maybe you’ve even voiced the objection yourself.
How could a good and loving God condemn to hell someone who’s never heard of him?
When it comes to this emotionally vexing issue, there are two dominant positions among professing Christians: inclusivism and exclusivism. While both views maintain that Jesus is the only way to God, only one insists on the necessity of conscious faith in him.
Allure of Inclusivism
Inclusivism is the belief that salvation is only through Jesus Christ, but that there may be persons who are saved without knowing it. They are redeemed by the person and work of a Christ they do not consciously embrace. Simply put, Jesus may save some who never hear of him.
Inclusivists often cite Romans 2:1–16, a passage taken to imply that salvation is possible apart from God’s special revelation. The content of general revelation—both the created order without (Rom. 1:19–20) and the moral law within (Rom. 2:14–15)—provides sufficient knowledge for salvation. As Millard Erickson explains, “The rise of more inclusive views of salvation, even among evangelicals, is based on a belief in the efficacy of general revelation for a salvific relationship to God” (Christian Theology, 123).
Additionally, many inclusivists appeal to the precedent of Old Testament saints who were saved without knowing the name of Jesus. Erickson writes:
What if someone were to throw himself . . . upon the mercy of God, not knowing on what basis that mercy was provided? Would not such a person in a sense be in the same situation as the Old Testament believers? The doctrine of Christ and his atoning work had not been fully revealed to these people. Yet they knew there was provision for the forgiveness of their sins, and that they could not be accepted on the merits of any works of their own. They had the form of the gospel without its full content. And they were saved. (138)
But doesn’t this parallel trivialize Christ’s saving work? Not at all, Erickson insists, for Jesus is still the source of every saving benefit:
The basis of acceptance would be the work of Jesus Christ, even though the person involved is not conscious that this is how provision has been made for his salvation. . . . Salvation has always been appropriated by faith. . . . Nothing has been changed in that respect. (138)
What matters to God, the inclusivist says, is human faith responding to the “light” he has provided at a given time or place. It’s unwarranted, then, for anyone to claim to know the fate of the unevangelized. One pastor put it this way: “I believe the most Christian stance is to remain agnostic on this question. The fact is that God, alongside the most solemn warnings about our responsibility to respond to the gospel, has not revealed how he will deal with those who have never heard it.”1
Many inclusivists appeal to God’s character in defense of their view. Because “God is love,” the argument goes, he’d never condemn someone who didn’t even have a chance to be saved (1 John 4:8, 16). “I agree that inclusivism is not a central topic of discussion in the Bible and the evidence for it is less than one would like,” Clark Pinnock admits. “But the vision of God’s love there is so strong that the existing evidence seems sufficient to me.”
Simple answer: those who never hear the gospel have no excuse just like those who do hear the gospel.

Rom 1:19-21
19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

v.20 makes clear that people are "without excuse" because God has made His existence and power "plain to them". So those who never hear weren't interested in hearing.

Acts 17-
26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands.
27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us.
 

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The Gospel is being preached all over this world ------people like Charles Stanley had made it possible for even the rainforest people to hear the Gospel-----through the Messenger --he developed and missionaries are at work delivering these devices to extremely remote areas world wide

Also whoever is here for the tribulation period -------every person on this planet will hear the Gospel ---there will be no one who can say they din't hear of Jesus Christ and His free gift of Salvation --the 144,000 and the 2 witnesses will be preaching the Gospel to all the world -----that is what the scripture says ----

https://www.intouchcanada.org/get-involved/messenger-project

Messenger Lab

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Wherever we go, we look for the right solution at the right time—whether it’s one of our proprietary devices or another tool—to make sure the message of salvation in Jesus Christ is accessible to those who have never heard.

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Magenta

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Interesting topic.
---
I remember reading the book..years ago.
'Eternity in Their Hearts'
- Don Richardson
---
He was involved in mission work..
- in New Guinea, Indonesia.
- 1960's.
---
The book has stories, experience & views..
- related to general & special revelations.
---
The title of the book is from..
Ecclesiastes 3:11
- "..also He has put 'eternity in their hearts'.."
- NKJV

Ecclesiastes 3:11
:)
 

MsMediator

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The Gospel is being preached all over this world ------people like Charles Stanley had made it possible for even the rainforest people to hear the Gospel-----through the Messenger --he developed and missionaries are at work delivering these devices to extremely remote areas world wide

Also whoever is here for the tribulation period -------every person on this planet will hear the Gospel ---there will be no one who can say they din't hear of Jesus Christ and His free gift of Salvation --the 144,000 and the 2 witnesses will be preaching the Gospel to all the world -----that is what the scripture says ----

https://www.intouchcanada.org/get-involved/messenger-project

Messenger Lab

A PERSEVERING HOPE
What began with a solar-powered audio player containing the Bible and Dr. Stanley’s messages is now much more than a device. It’s grown into a collective of thinkers and servants all over the world working tirelessly for the gospel

Wherever we go, we look for the right solution at the right time—whether it’s one of our proprietary devices or another tool—to make sure the message of salvation in Jesus Christ is accessible to those who have never heard.

A Messenger Lab device contains: the entire Bible, dozens of Dr. Stanley’s foundational sermons, the 30 Life Principles, and other material meant to explain salvation and develop mature believers. Available in 100+ languages.

Messenger
The Messenger is In Touch Ministries’ flagship solar-powered audio device. Since 2007, we’ve reached people who have limited access to electricity, internet, and broadcast media through this tool. Because it can feature multiple languages in one device, it’s capable of crossing borders and transcending barriers.
  • Solar-powered with a built-in flashlight and FM receiver
  • Pre-loaded with Scripture and messages from Dr. Stanley
  • Available in 100+ languages
Just because people vaguely know of Jesus and Christianity doesn't mean much. We all have heard of other religions but most don't know much about them either. There WERE and are people who have never heard of the Gospel such as the Indians and people in certain areas before the Internet.
 

studentoftheword

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Just because people vaguely know of Jesus and Christianity doesn't mean much
First off ---- no one can come to Jesus unless they are drawn by God the Father Himself ---God opens the heart to hear the Gospel which inbirths the right faith for the person to be saved -----

Saving Grace comes through Saving Faith ------through hearing God's Word ----

so Hearing the Gospel is key ----Faith comes by hearing the Word ----Jesus is the Word -----So by hearing the Word ---God knows one's heart ---and knows who's heart will be open and who's won't ----so hearing the Gospel is the first step ---Getting the Word out to people is necessary --that opens the way for Salvation --People can accept or reject God's drawing of their heart -----that is their choice -----

Christianity is a man made Religion and can't save anyone ------Jesus is the way to heaven ----They have to believe that Jesus is their Saviour -----and they need a Saviour to be heaven bound ----
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There WERE and are people who have never heard of the Gospel such as the Indians and people in certain areas before the Internet.
And there are Missionaries out all over the world preaching the Good News to people in very remote Places today -----and Like I said ----all unbelievers will be going through the 7 year tribulation and will have their chance to either Accept or reject God's free gift of Salvation ------

These Missionaries are risking their lives to go out to these remote places to Preach Christ --5 were actually killed by tribesmen way back in 1956 ----

Killed for Christ in the Amazon - BBC News
https://www.bbc.com › news › magazine-39039876


In January 1956, five American Christian missionaries were brutally killed by members of a remote Amazonian tribe. The missionaries had made contact with ...


https://www.godreports.com/2018/09/...e-brutal-skull-splitters-tribe-in-the-amazon/
How the Gospel reached the brutal “Skull Splitters” tribe in the Amazon


U.S. Christian missionaries are trying to convert the ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com › world › 2021/10/31


Oct 31, 2021 — “We have had the privilege to preach the liberating gospel of Jesus Christ to Brazilians, Colombians, and Peruvians all located in the Javari ...
 

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God’s grace is sufficient
 

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oyster67

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Nice Article. Thoughts? https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/what-happens-to-those-who-never-hear-gospel/

"What Happens to Those Who Never Hear the Gospel?

The man on the island. Perhaps you’ve encountered him in a friend’s argument against Christianity. Maybe you’ve even voiced the objection yourself.
How could a good and loving God condemn to hell someone who’s never heard of him?
When it comes to this emotionally vexing issue, there are two dominant positions among professing Christians: inclusivism and exclusivism. While both views maintain that Jesus is the only way to God, only one insists on the necessity of conscious faith in him.
Allure of Inclusivism
Inclusivism is the belief that salvation is only through Jesus Christ, but that there may be persons who are saved without knowing it. They are redeemed by the person and work of a Christ they do not consciously embrace. Simply put, Jesus may save some who never hear of him.
Inclusivists often cite Romans 2:1–16, a passage taken to imply that salvation is possible apart from God’s special revelation. The content of general revelation—both the created order without (Rom. 1:19–20) and the moral law within (Rom. 2:14–15)—provides sufficient knowledge for salvation. As Millard Erickson explains, “The rise of more inclusive views of salvation, even among evangelicals, is based on a belief in the efficacy of general revelation for a salvific relationship to God” (Christian Theology, 123).
Additionally, many inclusivists appeal to the precedent of Old Testament saints who were saved without knowing the name of Jesus. Erickson writes:
What if someone were to throw himself . . . upon the mercy of God, not knowing on what basis that mercy was provided? Would not such a person in a sense be in the same situation as the Old Testament believers? The doctrine of Christ and his atoning work had not been fully revealed to these people. Yet they knew there was provision for the forgiveness of their sins, and that they could not be accepted on the merits of any works of their own. They had the form of the gospel without its full content. And they were saved. (138)
But doesn’t this parallel trivialize Christ’s saving work? Not at all, Erickson insists, for Jesus is still the source of every saving benefit:
The basis of acceptance would be the work of Jesus Christ, even though the person involved is not conscious that this is how provision has been made for his salvation. . . . Salvation has always been appropriated by faith. . . . Nothing has been changed in that respect. (138)
What matters to God, the inclusivist says, is human faith responding to the “light” he has provided at a given time or place. It’s unwarranted, then, for anyone to claim to know the fate of the unevangelized. One pastor put it this way: “I believe the most Christian stance is to remain agnostic on this question. The fact is that God, alongside the most solemn warnings about our responsibility to respond to the gospel, has not revealed how he will deal with those who have never heard it.”1
Many inclusivists appeal to God’s character in defense of their view. Because “God is love,” the argument goes, he’d never condemn someone who didn’t even have a chance to be saved (1 John 4:8, 16). “I agree that inclusivism is not a central topic of discussion in the Bible and the evidence for it is less than one would like,” Clark Pinnock admits. “But the vision of God’s love there is so strong that the existing evidence seems sufficient to me.”
Evidence of Exclusivism
In contrast to inclusivism, exclusivism is the view that redemption is possible through only faith in the gospel.2 This has been the predominant Christian position throughout church history and remains so among Bible-believing evangelicals today.3 Several texts are commonly cited in its defense. Here are five.
1. Romans 1
First, though inclusivists sometimes employ Romans 1:18–23 to highlight the importance of general revelation, on closer reading the text actually supports the exclusivist view. Paul’s argument is that God’s revelation in nature is sufficient only to condemn, not to save. Though the man on the island “knows God” (v. 21), he “suppresses the truth” (v. 18) perceptible in nature and is therefore “without excuse” (v. 20). Humans aren’t guilty because they haven’t heard the gospel; they’re guilty because they haven’t honored their Creator. In other words, not because of the absence of something (faith), but because of the presence of something (rebellion) ...
2. Romans 10
Second, the necessity of gospel faith for salvation is on display in Romans 10:
For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? . . . So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ. (Rom. 10:13–15, 17)
The chain of logic in Paul’s mind is straightforward:
  1. The only way to be saved is to call on Christ’s name.
  2. The only way to call on Christ’s name is to believe the gospel.
  3. The only way to believe the gospel is to hear the gospel.
  4. The only way to hear the gospel is to be told the gospel.
The reality of another means of salvation besides faith in “the word of Christ” is difficult to square with this passage.
3. John 14
Third, we must do justice to Jesus’s declaration, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6; cf. 10:7, 9).
Though inclusivists sometimes object that this statement says nothing explicit about faith, the idea is surely implied. The whole aim of John’s Gospel, after all, is to convince readers to believe and be saved (John 20:30–31), as the preceding context makes plain (John 3:36; 5:23–24; 6:35; 7:38; 8:19, 24, 42; 11:25; 12:46). The apostle addresses belief no less than 97 times throughout the book. In light of the entire context, then, “through me” means “through faith in me.”
4. Acts 4
Fourth, the apostle Peter declares: “And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).
Note he doesn’t merely say that there’s no other savior under heaven—something with which inclusivists would agree—but specifically that there’s no other name. Apparently, knowing this savior’s name—his precise identity—is necessary.
5. Acts 10
Finally, there’s a particularly revealing story in Acts 10. God hears the prayers of a devout Gentile named Cornelius and instructs him to send for “a man who is called Peter” (v. 5). Arriving the next day at Peter’s house, Cornelius’s men announce: “Cornelius, a centurion, an upright and God-fearing man, who is well spoken of by the whole Jewish nation, was directed by a holy angel to send for you to come to his house and to hear what you have to say” (v. 22).
Peter then journeys with the men to Cornelius’s house, where the centurion addresses his apostolic guest: “Now we are all here in the presence of God to hear all that you have been commanded by the Lord” (v. 33). What’s interesting is that Cornelius wasn’t expecting any random message but specifically—as an angel had told him—a “message by which you will be saved, you and all your household” (Acts 11:14)...
Very interesting post!

I can't wait to look at the responses of others. My initial response is that Jesus' Atonement made salvation available to all (past, present, and future), regardless of how much information they have. God looks at the heart, not the head.

Romans 1 says that all have enough heart knowledge to acknowledge and bow to their Creator. The salvation of the OT Saints confirms this. We are to talk about Jesus, but it is not our preaching that saves. It is the state of their heart.
 

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I sort of envy primitive folks because their portion of the gospel is so much
easier to understand. There's no parables, no Christ, no crucifixion, and no
resurrection, viz; no Bible whatsoever. Their portion, combined with their
conscience, merely says the cosmos is the product of intelligent design and
the creator weighs everything we do; that's it. (Ps 19:1-4, Rom 1:18-20,
Rom 2:14-15, Rom 10:17-18)

Back in April of 2018, I watched a movie on NetFlix called "Come Sunday"
based upon the life of a Christian minister named Carlton D'metrius Pearson,
DD. He underwent a crisis of faith due to pondering the fate of the millions
of people in the world perishing in genocides, civil wars, and whatnot who
never heard, nor ever would hear, Jesus' gospel.

It seemed thoroughly unreasonable to Pearson that a merciful, loving God
would condemn so many uninformed people to an eternal destiny in Hell just
because they didn't believe in a Jesus about whom many of them likely knew
nothing about.

Pearson's solution to the problem was to simply rule out Hell altogether by
insisting that classical Christianity's interpretation of the New Testament is
incorrect; which is very surprising seeing as how he attended Oral Roberts
University and was mentored by Oral Roberts himself. So I'm pretty sure Mr.
Pearson was aware of the role that nature played in the plan of salvation but
apparently he didn't know how to apply it. That's a remarkable shortcoming
considering where he went to school, and who it was that mentored him.
_
 

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Just because people vaguely know of Jesus and Christianity doesn't mean much. We all have heard of other religions but most don't know much about them either. There WERE and are people who have never heard of the Gospel such as the Indians and people in certain areas before the Internet.

Something interesting about the Indians. They believed in an invisible "great Father" They also believed when they die that they go to an invisible "happy hunting ground" Who do you suppose instilled in their minds about such spiritual notions?
 

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I sort of envy primitive folks because their portion of the gospel is so much
easier to understand. There's no parables, no Christ, no crucifixion, and no
resurrection, viz; no Bible whatsoever. Their portion, combined with their
conscience, merely says the cosmos is the product of intelligent design and
the creator weighs everything we do; that's it. (Ps 19:1-4, Rom 1:18-20,
Rom 2:14-15, Rom 10:17-18)


Back in April of 2018, I watched a movie on NetFlix called "Come Sunday"
based upon the life of a Christian minister named Carlton D'metrius Pearson,
DD. He underwent a crisis of faith due to pondering the fate of the millions
of people in the world perishing in genocides, civil wars, and whatnot who
never heard, nor ever would hear, Jesus' gospel.


It seemed thoroughly unreasonable to Pearson that a merciful, loving God
would condemn so many uninformed people to an eternal destiny in Hell just
because they didn't believe in a Jesus about whom many of them likely knew
nothing about.


Pearson's solution to the problem was to simply rule out Hell altogether by
insisting that classical Christianity's interpretation of the New Testament is
incorrect; which is very surprising seeing as how he attended Oral Roberts
University and was mentored by Oral Roberts himself. So I'm pretty sure Mr.
Pearson was aware of the role that nature played in the plan of salvation but
apparently he didn't know how to apply it. That's a remarkable shortcoming
considering where he went to school, and who it was that mentored him.
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Are you saying there is a gospel without Christ and without any mention of sin that saves?
 

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Something interesting about the Indians. They believed in an invisible "great Father" They also believed when they die that they go to an invisible "happy hunting ground" Who do you suppose instilled in their minds about such spiritual notions?
God has placed eternity into our hearts. Are you saying this is the equivalency of salvation?
 
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Someone mentioned the Internet. I think the Internet will be key in many people discovering/coming to know Christ. Still, about 2 BN people doesn't have access to the Internet/Christian Videos etc. But in about 10 years, they will.

Mat 24:14 says the Gospel will be preached to all nations before the end comes. Soon enough, all will have no excuse imo.

Let's keep praying/working/evangelizing and sharing the Gospel of Christ, and the Love of God, and we can leave the rest to Him imo.

"According to Statista, "In 2019, the number of internet users worldwide was 3.97 billion, up from 3.74 billion in the previous year."[2] In 2005, only about 1.1 billion people used the internet. That means there has been drastic and extraordinary growth in internet usage in the last 15 or so years, since it has more than tripled since then ...

The increasing number of web users offers vast potential for Internet evangelism.

"Looking ahead, Cybersecurity Ventures predicts that there will be 6 billion Internet users by 2022 (75 percent of the projected world population of 8 billion) — and more than 7.5 billion Internet users by 2030 (90 percent of the projected world population of 8.5 billion, 6 years of age and older)."[4]" https://www.conservapedia.com/Number_of_Internet_Users

God Bless.