Which is Biblical 7th Day

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Feasts and Holy 7th day are different, are 10 commandments relevant or not?
Yes, they are absolutely relevant. The biblical 7th day is Saturday, otherwise known as the Sabbath, but I surmised that you already knew that.
 
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Very good point, if we are not going by Gods calendar , whose calendar are we using and is 7th day in use today Lords Day, or it does not matter
 
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Jesus was the author of the law and Jesus fulfilled that law in the only way it can be fulfilled. In perfect love and it cost Him His life. The law was calling for a perfect love, but alas, we only received the knowledge of sin. That was God telling us that we have a serious problem. The law did the purpose it was designed for.

Not one letter of the law will pass until all is accomplished.

There is no other explanation for the passing of hundreds of those laws.

NOT THE SMALLEST LETTER SHALL PASS FROM THE LAW...

Do you understand what Jesus is saying.

Not one law can pass unless all is accomplished. One law did pass, therefore Jesus fulfilled all things.

No one can debate this.
Anything can be debated, but i chose not to
 

wolfwint

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Which day did God designate to be 7th and holy?
For the jews, it is the saturday.
The Christians gathered on sunday. In the view of a jew the first day in the week. But as Christian we are not under the jewish law.
 

oyster67

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Which is Biblical 7th Day


Depends on which day you start counting on. Any day could be the 7th day. Jesus was not picky like the Pharisees and Sadducees were.
 
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Which is Biblical 7th Day


Depends on which day you start counting on. Any day could be the 7th day. Jesus was not picky like the Pharisees and Sadducees were.[/QUOTH
Hey oyster this guy is interested in debate only.
 

TMS

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To be truthful on this whole time thing about sabbaths, feast, holidays ect. Only the Lord knows the true time.
There are certain events in the old testament which has altered time. Even the jewish calender may be in error.
To the best of mans abilities time has been kept as close as our understanding of history and events.
I believe this to be GODs design for no one knows when the second coming of JESUS will be except the father but you can be assured it will happen according to the appointed times of GOD.
Only God knows, true.
And Jesus kept the Sabbath when He was alive, and rested in the grave when He died.
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.....56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
 

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Depends on which day you start counting on. Any day could be the 7th day. Jesus was not picky like the Pharisees and Sadducees were.
Jesus kept the Sabbath holy.
The pharisees and Sadducees were not keeping it right. They were hypocrites. They made mans traditions and human standards more important then Gods laws.
God made one day holy. Not Sunday, or monday. You can kept the seventh day holy like God said or the other days of the week like man has said.
 

oyster67

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Jesus kept the Sabbath holy.
The pharisees and Sadducees were not keeping it right. They were hypocrites. They made mans traditions and human standards more important then Gods laws.
God made one day holy. Not Sunday, or monday. You can kept the seventh day holy like God said or the other days of the week like man has said.
The early Church met on the first day of the week, just like we do. We don't all have to become Jews.
 

Komentaja

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This is the first honest comment, yes we no longer go by God's calendar not only in the WEST but PERIOD
Thank you. It is sad, and I wish we could go back to God's calendar.

I wish we would go back to celebrating God's holy days.

I find it funny that Christians will immediately start their bellyaching as soon as someone mentions God's holy days, yet when Christmas, a non-biblical holiday is in question, no one bats an eye.
 

TMS

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The early Church met on the first day of the week, just like we do. We don't all have to become Jews.
We can meet together every day of the week and worship God every day. The question is which day is the seventh?
Which day did God sanctify as the holy sabbath day?
Which day did God rest on, and ask us to rest on?
Most say it was only for the Jews, but i don't see any test saying that.
True we are not under the condemnation of the law because of Christ. But Christ will write the law on our heart and in our minds.
I delight to keep the law,
To not kill, to not take the Lords name in vain, to not covert, and to keep the Sabbath day holy. Not to earn salvation but because i love Christ for saving me.

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Psa 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
 

Magenta

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Which day did God rest on, and ask us to rest on?
Us? Sabbath day was not instituted for Christians, and was not part of the Noahide law, either.
 

oyster67

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Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
If you want to keep the OT Jewish Sabbath, you may do so. I will follow the new and better way of Jesus. I will strive to keep every day holy, and I will meet on the first day of the week, despite your condemnation and judgement upon the rest of us who live in the NT.

Acts 20:7
“And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.”
 

Sipsey

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Question is, should we obey Lord's 7th day or any 7th day imposed by the West as you say
A Sabbath-Rest for the People of God
4 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2 For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed.[a] 3 Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,
“So I declared on oath in my anger,
‘They shall never enter my rest.’”[b]
And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world. 4 For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.”[c] 5 And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.”
6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7 God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:
“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”[d]
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works,[e] just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.
12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
 
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Jesus kept the Sabbath holy.
The pharisees and Sadducees were not keeping it right. They were hypocrites. They made mans traditions and human standards more important then Gods laws.
God made one day holy. Not Sunday, or monday. You can kept the seventh day holy like God said or the other days of the week like man has said.
Seems that Jesus abided by even Jewish customs of the time. How can people today observe a fixed day when so many occupations require 24/7 workers. I think the following passage shows Jesus observing a purely Jewish custom of the day which we don't have today. Plus Jesus never sinned and yet was said to have violated the sabbath by picking grain on the sabbath. Was Jesus observing the sabbath or not? Plus the Bible states Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Mt. 17:24 ¶ And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute? 25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers? 26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free. 27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.
 

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Seems that Jesus abided by even Jewish customs of the time. How can people today observe a fixed day when so many occupations require 24/7 workers. I think the following passage shows Jesus observing a purely Jewish custom of the day which we don't have today. Plus Jesus never sinned and yet was said to have violated the sabbath by picking grain on the sabbath. Was Jesus observing the sabbath or not? Plus the Bible states Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Mt. 17:24 ¶ And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute? 25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers? 26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free. 27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.
Jesus was perfect.
According to the heavenly standard, Jesus never sinned. According to the Jewish pharisees standard He did sin.
Today we can follow mans tradition and mans standards, or Gods standards.
Many have lost there lives because they choose to serve God rather then man.
From my study God is happy for work that is needed like saving life, and caring for people on the sabbath. It was made for man...
Choose who you will serve,
Man or God
 
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Jesus was perfect.
According to the heavenly standard, Jesus never sinned. According to the Jewish pharisees standard He did sin.
Today we can follow mans tradition and mans standards, or Gods standards.
Many have lost there lives because they choose to serve God rather then man.
From my study God is happy for work that is needed like saving life, and caring for people on the sabbath. It was made for man...
Choose who you will serve,
Man or God
I have the feeling we are at an impasse here. I also here in Chicago on occasion talk with a teacher of a group calling themselves House of Jacob (HoJ). They follow OT Sabbaths and 7th day sabbath. I first talked with them regarding passages at (((((Acts 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: 17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. )))))) I am of feeling this is referring to several different assemblies of peoples that God is working with. HoJ teacher almost eager for days of 'Jacobs' trouble. I am fairly new to Christ though as per Heb. 1:14 I have had ministering spirits starting over 50 yrs ago which I totally dismissed until 2017. Still many things I don't know.