Be honest with me, am I going to hell forever or not?

[presidente]

I used to love God with my whole heart. I saw and experienced the power of the Holy Spirit very strongly in the church. When I was 14, I first heard about blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. I never gave it much thought until later kept on thinking about it. I looked up the verses and it spoke about what the pharisees said about Jesus Christ. I kept having these thoughts in my head and I didn't want to really do it. It sucks badly. One day, I was having these thoughts and I had some doubts and I actually believed one of these blasphemous thoughts about what the pharisees said about Jesus's miracles when they accused him of demonic power and I tried to rebuke it from my heart but it was too late. I tried to come to Christ and repent several times but nothing happened. No heart conversion or conviction of my wrongdoings. I hate myself. I just wished that I never heard about the unpardonable sin. It seems too late and I don't know what to do next.

How is this blaspheming? If a bad thought pops in your head and you don't even say it, how is that blaspheming? Translators translate this word translated 'blaspheme' (βλασφημία) as 'evil speaking' or 'slander' also.

Look at these verses in Matthew 12. Notice how Jesus says it two different ways.


31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Maybe you went to a church that emphasized ___feeling__ a certain way about sin in order to get saved. Maybe you heard the idea that when you get saved, you have all this sorrow or a sense of release. Well, believing in Jesus isn't a matter of feeling. Peace and joy are fruits of the Spirit, and we can experience them after we come to faith.

What I would encourage you to do is repent.... metanoia in Greek literally has to do with a change of mind. Resolve that you will not serve sin any more. Then put your trust in Jesus Christ-- believe that He is the Son of God, the Messiah (the Christ) and that He died for our sins and that He rose again from the dead. Trust Him to forgive your sins. Then be baptized in water, believing that Christ's blood washes away your sin. Then just trust God that He did His part. Salvation is not dependent on how emotional you are during this process. Trust God and believe Him to take care of your sin.

 

[Level72]

I used to love God with my whole heart. I saw and experienced the power of the Holy Spirit very strongly in the church. When I was 14, I first heard about blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. I never gave it much thought until later kept on thinking about it. I looked up the verses and it spoke about what the pharisees said about Jesus Christ. I kept having these thoughts in my head and I didn't want to really do it. It sucks badly. One day, I was having these thoughts and I had some doubts and I actually believed one of these blasphemous thoughts about what the pharisees said about Jesus's miracles when they accused him of demonic power and I tried to rebuke it from my heart but it was too late. I tried to come to Christ and repent several times but nothing happened. No heart conversion or conviction of my wrongdoings. I hate myself. I just wished that I never heard about the unpardonable sin. It seems too late and I don't know what to do next.

Hell is death. There is no eternal torture chamber. God is not a sadist. Burning in hell was made up by the catholic church to scare people into staying in their church. It is the will of the Father that none should perish, but all come to repentance, and His will will be done on Earth as it is in heaven. The heavenly father is perfect and will not lose one soul that's why when revelation we see death die and captivity going to captive. The father will not lose one soul. Not even Satan after all satan is The Prodigal Son.

 

[JTB]

Hell is death. There is no eternal torture chamber. God is not a sadist. Burning in hell was made up by the catholic church to scare people into staying in their church. It is the will of the Father that none should perish, but all come to repentance, and His will will be done on Earth as it is in heaven. The heavenly father is perfect and will not lose one soul that's why when revelation we see death die and captivity going to captive. The father will not lose one soul. Not even Satan after all satan is The Prodigal Son.

I don’t think God ‘sends’ anyone to 'hell' or eternal damnation. Look at it this way. Suppose I built a resort for the homeless, and all I asked was that on their way in the door they acknowledge and thank me for doing so. “Hey man, I really appreciate you doing this” and you’re in the door. Tell me to kiss off, and you can go sit outside on the curb. Am I really responsible for those who choose to sit outside on the curb?

Too, what is hell? Our universe is made up at the subatomic level with clusters of like charged particles, which science tells us should naturally repel each other. They call the unknown factor that keeps it all from exploding "the strong force". There are several theories as to the source of this ‘strong force’, including God’s claim that He holds it all together. Now, on that theory, God claims He spoke it all into being out of nothingness - while science says out of nothingness, kaboom there it is. Are those really 2 different stories?

And then there’s dark matter/energy. Scientific estimates vary, but they hover around the theory that 90% of what makes up the universe, we can’t see, except for how it affects the things we can see. God says there is another realm that we can’t see, other than how it affects what we can see. And He wants His 10% back. Again, are these really unrelated?

God also says that someday He will speak this universe out of existence. Paul describes that moment, saying the elements will melt with fervent heat (2 Peter 3:7, 10, 12). Think of what results when the atom is split – intense heat and fire.

Now, the interesting thing is, that we don’t see the lake of fire (hell) appear until right after this present earth and heavens are de-created.

Could it be that the de-creation of our universe creates the lake of fire?

Could it be that for those who loved this world more than Him, God lets them have it in its natural state apart from Him?

 

[CS1]

Hell is death. There is no eternal torture chamber. God is not a sadist. Burning in hell was made up by the catholic church to scare people into staying in their church. It is the will of the Father that none should perish, but all come to repentance, and His will will be done on Earth as it is in heaven. The heavenly father is perfect and will not lose one soul that's why when revelation we see death die and captivity going to captive. The father will not lose one soul. Not even Satan after all satan is The Prodigal Son.

the problem is you are not biblical and if you were right then that would mean Jesus was lying when HE said it was a place of eternal torment.

Jesus said in :

Matthew 18:6-9
Matthew 25:31-46

Describes hell :

Mark 9:42-48

other supporting scriptures :

2 Thessalonians 1:5-10
Jude 7
Revelation 14:9-11
Revelation 20:10, 14-15

Please provide one verse that says that hell is not the eternal place of torment.

 

[Daniel1910]

the sin was in seeing the indisputable work of GOD, with their own eyes and then attributing it to satan. I dont really now of anyone who can say that has happened to them these days. That is like you walking in a morgue to confirm the identity of a body for example, and a total stranger comes in and says rise in the name of Christ, the dead literally all coming back to life before your very eyes, and you then say, nah that there was the power of satan.

You have not done that.

Actually, there's many Christians who do that today out of ignorance but they might be guilty. However, I knew about Jesus Christ and at age 14, I foolishly believed what the Pharisees said when they called the Holy Spirit a demon. I wish that I never heard about this sin but I messed up more than 99.9% of the world's population. I don't know why I couldn't have been a normal kid and a normal person. What you described can actually happen today as well and it happens many many times.

 

[Daniel1910]

How is this blaspheming? If a bad thought pops in your head and you don't even say it, how is that blaspheming? Translators translate this word translated 'blaspheme' (βλασφημία) as 'evil speaking' or 'slander' also.

Look at these verses in Matthew 12. Notice how Jesus says it two different ways.


31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Maybe you went to a church that emphasized ___feeling__ a certain way about sin in order to get saved. Maybe you heard the idea that when you get saved, you have all this sorrow or a sense of release. Well, believing in Jesus isn't a matter of feeling. Peace and joy are fruits of the Spirit, and we can experience them after we come to faith.

What I would encourage you to do is repent.... metanoia in Greek literally has to do with a change of mind. Resolve that you will not serve sin any more. Then put your trust in Jesus Christ-- believe that He is the Son of God, the Messiah (the Christ) and that He died for our sins and that He rose again from the dead. Trust Him to forgive your sins. Then be baptized in water, believing that Christ's blood washes away your sin. Then just trust God that He did His part. Salvation is not dependent on how emotional you are during this process. Trust God and believe Him to take care of your sin.

That's considered blasphemy from what I know because sin starts from inside. I was told that if you believed what the pharisees said, you are doomed. I really tried hard to put my mind on something else now it's too late.

 

[presidente]

That's considered blasphemy from what I know because sin starts from inside. I was told that if you believed what the pharisees said, you are doomed. I really tried hard to put my mind on something else now it's too late.

There is a difference between being tempted and sinning. The Devil tempted Jesus with bowing down and worshipping Him, but Jesus didn't act on it. And James 1 says when lust has conceived, it bringeth forth sin. If you nip lust (bad desire) in the bud, it doesn't produce sin.

 

[Daniel1910]

There is a difference between being tempted and sinning. The Devil tempted Jesus with bowing down and worshipping Him, but Jesus didn't act on it. And James 1 says when lust has conceived, it bringeth forth sin. If you nip lust (bad desire) in the bud, it doesn't produce sin.

But what I did seems to be exactly what the Pharisees did as well. I wish something crazy happened that day that I wouldn't have believed those blasphemous lies that the Pharisees said. As I said, out of billions of people walking this earth, I have yet to come across someone who messed up this bad as me...

 

[presidente]

But what I did seems to be exactly what the Pharisees did as well. I wish something crazy happened that day that I wouldn't have believed those blasphemous lies that the Pharisees said. As I said, out of billions of people walking this earth, I have yet to come across someone who messed up this bad as me...

Do a word study on blaspheme, and the verses where it means to speak a slander or blasphemous words.

To sin, there has to be some kind of yielding. Jesus said that whoever looks at a woman __in order to lust__ after her has c ok mmitted adultery with her already in his heart. There is a yielding if tge eye. Blasphemy typically involves a yielding of tge mouth. Paul says in Romans 6 not to yield your members to sin.

I also think demons may be able to project tempting thoughts into someone's mind. Being tempted with a thought is not the same as doing it. Demons may also try to keep someone from trusting Christ by convincing that person that he has committed the unpardonable sin.

 

[Level72]

I think that I just understand everything intellectually and not feel any true conviction from the heart.

If you don't have any conviction from the heart, perhaps you dont know everything intellectually. Your possibly just at a point where you need some true revelation. Pray about it. May I recommend someone to listen to on youtube. His name is Jordan Peterson. You wont regret giving him a chance. He is a brilliant clinical psychologist with a powerful message. Especially for people going thru what you may be.
Much love

 

[Daniel1910]

Do a word study on blaspheme, and the verses where it means to speak a slander or blasphemous words.

To sin, there has to be some kind of yielding. Jesus said that whoever looks at a woman __in order to lust__ after her has c ok mmitted adultery with her already in his heart. There is a yielding if tge eye. Blasphemy typically involves a yielding of tge mouth. Paul says in Romans 6 not to yield your members to sin.

I also think demons may be able to project tempting thoughts into someone's mind. Being tempted with a thought is not the same as doing it. Demons may also try to keep someone from trusting Christ by convincing that person that he has committed the unpardonable sin.

But my situation is more darker than everyone else. Nobody unlike me actually believed the blasphemous words from the Pharisees when they said that Jesus had a demon. That's why I feel like I went way too far than most people and I am permanently screwed at such a young age. I won't wish this on my worst enemy.

 

[Daniel1910]

If you don't have any conviction from the heart, perhaps you dont know everything intellectually. Your possibly just at a point where you need some true revelation. Pray about it. May I recommend someone to listen to on youtube. His name is Jordan Peterson. You wont regret giving him a chance. He is a brilliant clinical psychologist with a powerful message. Especially for people going thru what you may be.
Much love

I don't mean to be rude but what does Jordan Peterson have anything to do with this?

 

[presidente]

But my situation is more darker than everyone else. Nobody unlike me actually believed the blasphemous words from the Pharisees when they said that Jesus had a demon. That's why I feel like I went way too far than most people and I am permanently screwed at such a young age. I won't wish this on my worst enemy.

The Bible does not say if you believe that wicked lie it is unforgivable. Christ's opponents in the passage were actually saying it.

 

[presidente]

If you don't have any conviction from the heart, perhaps you dont know everything intellectually. Your possibly just at a point where you need some true revelation. Pray about it. May I recommend someone to listen to on youtube. His name is Jordan Peterson. You wont regret giving him a chance. He is a brilliant clinical psychologist with a powerful message. Especially for people going thru what you may be.
Much love

I like Jordan Peterson's videos on a lot of topics, but I don't know where he stands on the issue of faith, or if he knows. He is not someone I would recommend on issues related to salvation.

 

[Daniel1910]

The Bible does not say if you believe that wicked lie it is unforgivable. Christ's opponents in the passage were actually saying it.

Yeah but it was in the heart from them as well. Jesus said if you look at a woman with lust in the heart, you commit adultery. Same as hate and murder. Sin starts in the heart. Blasphemy starts with a hatred for God and it's deep-rooted in the heart. I messed up so bad. Dang...

 

[presidente]

Yeah but it was in the heart from them as well. Jesus said if you look at a woman with lust in the heart, you commit adultery. Same as hate and murder. Sin starts in the heart. Blasphemy starts with a hatred for God and it's deep-rooted in the heart. I messed up so bad. Dang...

Look up this verse in the interlinear Matthew 5:28. It says he looks ___in order to___ lust after her.

In the same chapter, there is a quote 'Thou shalt not kill', and then Jesus warns about the one who says 'Thou fool' being in danger of hell fire. There is some sort of expression to the thought here, not just a thought crossing your mind.

Thinking wicked thoughts, even believing them, is not the same as speaking blasphemy. The sin of unbelief can be forgiven.

 

[Daniel1910]

Look up this verse in the interlinear Matthew 5:28. It says he looks ___in order to___ lust after her.

In the same chapter, there is a quote 'Thou shalt not kill', and then Jesus warns about the one who says 'Thou fool' being in danger of hell fire. There is some sort of expression to the thought here, not just a thought crossing your mind.

Thinking wicked thoughts, even believing them, is not the same as speaking blasphemy. The sin of unbelief can be forgiven.

But again, I feel like I messed up more than everyone else because nobody went as far as I did. I am like 0.000001% of people out there. It's like I am an extremely rare case...

 

[presidente]

But again, I feel like I messed up more than everyone else because nobody went as far as I did. I am like 0.000001% of people out there. It's like I am an extremely rare case...

You should be happy Jesus worded it two ways which clarifies what the passage means,

"but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. "

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

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I cannot think of a worse place to seek reliable spiritual counseling than an
internet forum. They're sort of like the US Supreme Court where nine
justices, supposedly all expert in Constitutional law, seldom agree on
anything.
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Lol - Agreed, and you couldn't have stated it more perfectly.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I used to love God with my whole heart. I saw and experienced the power of the Holy Spirit very strongly in the church. When I was 14, I first heard about blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. I never gave it much thought until later kept on thinking about it. I looked up the verses and it spoke about what the pharisees said about Jesus Christ. I kept having these thoughts in my head and I didn't want to really do it. It sucks badly. One day, I was having these thoughts and I had some doubts and I actually believed one of these blasphemous thoughts about what the pharisees said about Jesus's miracles when they accused him of demonic power and I tried to rebuke it from my heart but it was too late. I tried to come to Christ and repent several times but nothing happened. No heart conversion or conviction of my wrongdoings. I hate myself. I just wished that I never heard about the unpardonable sin. It seems too late and I don't know what to do next.

Daniel,

It sounds like somebody along the way convinced you that works and great sorrow are the requirements for salvation. This is a common misunderstanding.
Here's something that will likely answer your question. If not, let me know. I'm happy to help.